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Jessica2407
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posted January 29, 2013 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A good article:
http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/moon-pluto-the-gathering-storm/

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Desiring Shadows
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posted January 29, 2013 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon Square Pluto is freaking scary. These people are devils....

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Jessica2407
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posted January 29, 2013 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Moon Square Pluto is freaking scary. These people are devils....

No we are not!

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hannaramaa
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posted January 29, 2013 01:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:

Hi [b]hanna
, I think the hard Venus/Jupiter would be a strong factor here as well. Mars square the Moon often has a problem pushing forward on their instincts which can be rash and foolhardy, they also have a tendency to dramatize situations emotionally when it would be better to cool down first, and then react. Seems that there's a deeper emotional issue with her in these conquests that has her reacting like a child, wanting to grab all of the 'candy.' They do also seem to need a lot of attention.

"I wonder then, how did her and I end up such consistent friends?"
---Either from compatible synastry aspects/placements, one's progressions matching another's natal/transits, similarities between the natals in aspects/placements, etc. There is something about her, that if you're friends, that is similar to yourself, even if that concept is maddening. What's likely is that she's expressing the energy in your chart in a way that you don't or in a way that you are morally opposed to, and you find this to be distasteful. So it seems that there has to be a match-up in the similarities in the natal, you just have to look for it.[/B]


That's so... weird/ironic/fascinating about Moon/Mars mainly because she never flies off the handle (doesn't mean you won't know she's ****** .) but I often do. So in that respect I'm mirroring what she's lacking or the energy she's supposed to be displaying. I totally relate to your Moon/Mars description and yet I don't have that in my chart. But that's beside the point (I may start a thread in Personal Readings if you're interested...) She would need a lot of attention. She's one out of 5 kids and I can say she honestly does get the short stick a lot of the time. Then again she lets it happen. *Shrug.*

I do acknowledge what we have in common is being competitive. However the manner we express this competitive is wildly different! She outwardly denies her competitiveness whereas I own mine. "Expressing energy in a way you are morally opposed to..." Hmmm, like flirting and chasing married men? (Her.) Yes, quite true.

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Plutonic Capricorn
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posted January 31, 2013 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonic Capricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in cancer square pluto sounds pretty intense.

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Jessica2407
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posted February 01, 2013 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plutonic Capricorn:
Moon in cancer square pluto sounds pretty intense.

yeah it is. Monstrously intense. moon at critical degree on top of that.

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Plutonic Capricorn
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posted February 08, 2013 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonic Capricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
really? monster cookie.

what about this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX-lp44VECQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyMHo9BfQyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ghJJq5yOyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziPYVohwvRk

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Jessica2407
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posted February 08, 2013 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ I love the music <3

Never listened to this genre before, thank you for posting these vids

BTW the moon is gorgeous <3 I love it!!

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the89freespirit
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posted February 08, 2013 02:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I have a Moon-Pluto aspect: Moon conjunct Pluto. And I personally believe that, even though they some say the conjunction is a hard aspect, it's much easier to deal with than Moon square or opposition Pluto. It's completely second nature for me to express my Plutonian traits. I'm a male but I've never had any major problems with women. At least the women outside of my family. Haha the females in my immediate family and my mother's circle can be rather difficult to deal with: controlling, manipulative, petty, etc. But, as far as friends and love interests, I've tended to go for the more positive Plutonian qualities: strength, ambition, passion, comfort with sexuality. I don't feel any sort of feelings of sexism toward women. If anything, I think women are too underestimated. I've never really seen them as the weaker sex. Maybe physically, on the outside, but definitely not on the inside.

The only thing about Moon conjunct Pluto is that its such an overwhelming and dominant part of my personality that it takes a lot of conscious effort to be aware of when I'm expressing it, especially the more negative aspects. This is even truer because the conjunction is in Scorpio, making it even more powerful.

I don't know anybody with their Moon square Pluto except for my mother. She has a Gemini Moon square Pluto in Virgo. I think her Plutonian energy was much more evident when she was younger. She was always quite volatile to deal with. Take that Gemini Moon ability to switch and become someone else and add Plutonian intensity to it. Yeah, not always easy to deal with, certainly. She's rather different now, at least on the outside. She takes her born-again Christian status very, very seriously. But, now, her Moon square Pluto is just expressed through extremely manipulative behavior. I love my mother to death, but she's very tricky and even a bit treacherous at times. I don't trust her as far as I can through her, to tell the truth.

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posted February 08, 2013 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon opposite Uranus, and this is apparently the cause for many women disliking me.

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posted February 08, 2013 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon Square Pluto, along with my Asc and Sun Trine Pluto, and my Mercury Square Pluto. As much as I'd like to say I don't have any traits I will say that in my past when I was younger I did have an "us verses them" mentality. I also had a mentality that if someone screwed me over I'd do whatever I could to get even. I also had a personality where if someone crossed a friend of mine (or a friend didn't like someone I would also be that way...Venus in 11th LOVES friends). I remember way back when I had a friend in elementary school who was close friends with this guy I was dating (as much as you can date at 12 lol)...however she put out so to speak and I couldn't compete. Well me and a few other friends spread so many rumors (a lot of which were true), and told all her secrets that she transferred schools. I'm not proud of this but this is a point of how upset and calculating (Cap Moon) I could be at even a young age.

My Mom has the Opposition and she VERY bluntly says she WILL NOT do friendship with a woman, as there is too much jealously. I can say I've never experienced jealously outwardly from other women (at least I don't recognize that). I did have a friend who competed with ALL women for the attention of males...in fact any male...but esp if you were interested in a specific one. She was a Libra Sun/Asc/Mars/Mer with Venus in Scorpio and Moon in Leo. She would go as far as even go after a guy after a friend first went after them. But other than her I can't say I've had too much experience with women like her. I did have another friend who was sorta like that...she as a Virgo Sun/Aries Moon/Cap Mars/Libra Mercury/Scorpio Venus. She went after guys that she knew ppl were into, but she did it to show that she could get anyone...in my case it backfired against her. Another example I have of this is a Virgo girl with Scorpio Moon who also knew I was into a guy and we would silently compete for him. She ended up dating him, but in the end he was a Cancer Sun/Aqua Moon guy and thought her Scorp Moon self was crazy and we ended up dating and being good friends.

In my experience women who have a strong Scorpio/Pluto and I don't get along except on a superficial level as I sense that they have hidden motives.

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Jessica2407
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posted February 09, 2013 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be quite honest, I do not relate to ''being the manipulative, hidden agenda'' type of woman.

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Plutonic Capricorn
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posted February 09, 2013 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonic Capricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^^ I love the music <3

Never listened to this genre before, thank you for posting these vids

BTW the moon is gorgeous <3 I love it!!


i love many sorts of music but those particular sounds are good for a lobster moon.

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posted July 30, 2020 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
NOW I know why I don't get along with female friends or colleagues . If I do get along , it would be with really mature women that would be 20 years my senior or even twice my age. But women of my own generation? Nah...there's always going to be some unknown friction that will be generated at some point in time that will result in a break in the relationship. I don't know if this is entirely because of this sole aspect in my chart but during the years, I have learned to be less emotionally attached to the female friends that come into my life. I don't mingle too close, I don't get too involved in their issues either. One has even accused me of wanting to 'steal' her boyfriend, that was the time I sais 'enough is enough, am done with trying to make friends with women!"

Anyone else relates to this aspect and would like to discuss what other areas it affect them?

I would like to share this article and request your feedbacks beause although I can relate to some of the things said, some are WAY off.
http://caitastro.blogspot.com/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html


I am very possessive of the females in my life, my only real friends ever were women, but like always through growing up you change friends right, well that part of growing up always hurt me the most - I am a person that sticks to few people and I am the real friend, I have only couple of them and some of them decided to part from me and to this day it hurts. I am therefore possessive of my women, I guess, I am loyal friend that has always their back and I expect the same.

That being said I did have other women, those my generation at least, dislike me, men dont like me much either lol... i dont know what about my personality makes people vary of me I guess and they think my intentions are faulty, which in reality never are, I am genuine with everyone, I like loyal and open people, hate backstabbers - I guess they sense their qualities dont meet mine and resent me for it? I have learned to fake it with people in general, keep them at distance,the more effort I put in trying to be liked by them, the more they are ****** to me

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posted July 30, 2020 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
It would take me forever to realize it if they were. *Shrug.* Actually though... my Taurus friend always tries to tell me my Scorpio friend (with the Moon square Pluto) is jealous of me even though they've never met. I secretly wonder if she's actually jealous of me and just trying to play it off on my friend. I mean, how do you make assumptions about someone you don't know?

What I'm trying to figure out is why the opposition would indicate jealousy but the square wouldn't. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding and the square already includes jealousy and THEN some?



This is interesting, it could be that other women perceive us with moon sq pluto as jealous types even though WE ARE NOT , I had a best friend who stoped being my friend due to influence by other female friends of hers, I remember once I overheard mutual friend bragging how she and one other friend influenced my ex bff to not invite me to her own birthday - they just did not like me, they wanted me OUT of their friend group. Did they perceive me as jealous person or were they for some reason jealous of me? I never flirted with men intentionally, so I dont know if in their heads my GENUINE friendly behaviour with their crushes was seen as a threat or what, but they sure as hell disliked me. Now I am sticking to those girls, I know the boys they liked teased me because one of their guy friends is my childhood/neighbor friend and they were friendly with me too, so maybe that's why? Maybe they just wanted me away from boys they liked? I have no idea, but it still hurts.

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posted July 30, 2020 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Hi Lonake

No, I can't be good friends with men, not because I don't want to, it's more because the men can't be 'just friends' with ME. They tend to get obsessed with me and since I know how it feels to be obsessed with someone that's why I don't encourage friendships with men. I can relate to the bit when you say 'but I find it incredibly dull to be friends with a man where there is no hint of sexual attraction.' For me once a guy has been tagged as 'a friend' in my mind, I can NEVER view that person in a romantic light. It's either my switch gets turned on at the very first time or it will never get turned on I am not the type of 'we can be friends then later may be that would change' kinda scenario. Do you feel like that too? is that moon sq pluto kinda of stuff? If I don't have that tension between someone else, it just doesn't work out for me either..



woah this was like reading myself - men can either be lovers OR friends, a friend can not become a lover, end of story - if I like you as a MAN you are not my friend , if I only see you as a friend, I can not look at you as if you were a MAN. I keep men at distance, I dont hug them, well if I do its a ''manly'' hug where I end up looking like one of the dudes lol

And mind you I have venus , ruler of 11th in 11th house, but it is square to my moon and mars, so maybe I dismiss friends as lovers due to that?

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