posted January 11, 2013 04:58 AM            

Anyone else relates to this aspect and would like to discuss what other areas it affect them?

posted January 11, 2013 06:38 AM            

But I have in the past.
I used to be extremely paranoid in friendship and quite possessive, too. So there were some hard moments, indeed.

I do have some weird things happening sometimes, like a misunderstanding that tears the whole thing down (for a while) or just my need for solitude that others don't seem to get and therefore they get upset and resent me or something. But I usually make the effort to talk about it and clear things out. I don't want anyone to hold grudges against me.

Socially I'm never intimidating, I actually get along with women great. I have a strong Venus natally and Gemini ASC.

How this aspect manifests for me is that I have extreme mood swings and intense emotions that are hard to control and hard to express. I can be explosive and have bouts of anger/rage at everything and everyone (usually internally), but mainly at myself. I have high standards for myself and whenever I "mess up" (get too emotional, for ex), I beat myself up for it. I have a weird internal struggle between wanting to be "real" and expressing my emotions, and on the other hand I hate that part of me which I find weak and pathetic. So I'm always torn between being a sensitive, emotional being vs being a self-reliant, rational, "strong" woman.

I often think of myself as Ms Jekyll and Hyde because I can go from sensible, "good" to harsh, unforgiving and quite careless.

Another dilemma is that I try not to get too close to people even though I crave it. Past experiences were quite traumatic and I am scared of "true" intimacy but it's something that I'd like to create sometime with someone I can trust. Oh and - trust. Something hard to achieve, for sure.

I cannot stand feeling stuck psychologically. I have the urge to evolve, to grow, to be more mature. It's hard to do because I have a fixed stellium and Saturn afflicted, so change is something that scares me but at the same time there's always an underlying tension of wanting to break internal limitations and just be set free.

Last thing, when I cut someone out of my life, it's usually for good. Once my trust is broken, it's impossible for me to trust you again. Even if I want to forgive, it's like I can't. There's a threshold inside and if someone gets past it, it's pretty much over. I can still talk to that person and all, but boy don't expect me to ask them for help or support or any real closeness.

posted January 11, 2013 08:22 AM            

That part hit a soft spot for me:

How this aspect manifests for me is that I have extreme mood swings and intense emotions that are hard to control and hard to express. I can be explosive and have bouts of anger/rage at everything and everyone (usually internally), but mainly at myself. I have high standards for myself and whenever I "mess up" (get too emotional, for ex), I beat myself up for it. I have a weird internal struggle between wanting to be "real" and expressing my emotions, and on the other hand I hate that part of me which I find weak and pathetic. So I'm always torn between being a sensitive, emotional being vs being a self-reliant, rational, "strong" woman.

posted January 11, 2013 08:32 AM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
I have a Moon-Pluto aspect and in general I get along better with women, although when I do clash with them they're particularly nasty towards me.

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oh well women are well known for their beechiness, you don't need to HAVE a moon-pluto aspect to feel and experience just beechy they can turn out to be especially when you clash with them.

But hey if someone is nasty with ya, you have 3 choices, ignore them, let them get to you, OR make them feel stupid and watch them explode.

(Yeah am a bit of a mental maniac myself with this pluto going on in my chart now I know why!)

posted January 11, 2013 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
oh well women are well known for their beechiness, you don't need to HAVE a moon-pluto aspect to feel and experience just beechy they can turn out to be especially when you clash with them.

But hey if someone is nasty with ya, you have 3 choices, ignore them, let them get to you, OR make them feel stupid and watch them explode.

(Yeah am a bit of a mental maniac myself with this pluto going on in my chart now I know why!)

Women don't particularly like me, and I gladly avoid them.Someone told me once that she feels overpowered, and intimidated by me. As for guys, when I like them I get obsessed

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Oh, I've seen enough b1tchy guys to know that's not a gender-specific trait.

Most of my interactions with women are Plutonian in a very positive sense. It's only been a handful of times that I've experience really REALLY negative energy from women.

I already have a system in place for handling it. The ones who think they just have easy prey - I respond to in kind to let them know they can't walk all over me. Then there's the rest, who kind of get off on the attention and drama that want to try and make you miserable because they're insecure, and those are the ones I eventually wise up about and ignore.

posted January 11, 2013 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:

Oh, I've seen enough b1tchy guys to know that's not a gender-specific trait.

Most of my interactions with women are Plutonian in a very positive sense. It's only been a handful of times that I've experience really REALLY negative energy from women.

I already have a system in place for handling it. The ones who think they just have easy prey - I respond to in kind to let them know they can't walk all over me. Then there's the rest, who kind of get off on the attention and drama that want to try and make you miserable because they're insecure, and those are the ones I eventually wise up about and ignore.

But guys? WOWZERS. I blame it on all the afflictions to my Mars. It's like there's something about me that makes men hiss and want to try and hurt me. I've seen guys who typically are somewhat decent and civilized with most other women, do their damndest to try and harm me in one way or another.

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posted January 11, 2013 12:31 PM              

One is my Scorpio friend who has Moon sextile Pluto (she has a Cap moon) and to be honest even I, with my Moon opp. Pluto (Moon in Taurus), am suspicious of introducing her to the guy(s) in my life because of her track record. Aside from that, she always has trouble getting along with women and tends to flirt with married guys (I mean really flirt. Trading numbers and seeing it as harmless) Always. I think it has less to do with this aspect but that's not astrologically related. Point being it probably plays a part, so you're not alone. Her Moon is in the 3H and Pluto is in the 12H, along with her Sun. Wouldn't Sun in the 12H possibly mean they can't see their actions objectively, or properly in some way?

Me? I have the Moon opposition Pluto. I make female friends REALLY easy and they stay in my life. This is why I'm skeptical of Moon square Pluto or other hard aspects being the sole reason in not being able to get along or keep girl friends. The problems I encounter with women happen when they're trying to boss me around. Pluto teeters on the edge of both my 5 and 6H, so I think the effect bleeds into both. A large part of my 6H rules Sag, and guess what? My worst experiences with bosses were with Sag women. Screwed me over BIG TIME.

posted January 11, 2013 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Hmm. I have two examples of Moon/Pluto aspects for you!

One is my Scorpio friend who has Moon sextile Pluto (she has a Cap moon) and to be honest even I, with my Moon opp. Pluto (Moon in Taurus), am suspicious of introducing her to the guy(s) in my life because of her track record. Aside from that, she always has trouble getting along with women and tends to flirt with married guys (I mean really flirt. Trading numbers and seeing it as harmless) Always. I think it has less to do with this aspect but that's not astrologically related. Point being it probably plays a part, so you're not alone. Her Moon is in the 3H and Pluto is in the 12H, along with her Sun. Wouldn't Sun in the 12H possibly mean they can't see their actions objectively, or properly in some way?

Me? I have the Moon opposition Pluto. I make female friends REALLY easy and they stay in my life. This is why I'm skeptical of Moon square Pluto or other hard aspects being the sole reason in not being able to get along or keep girl friends. The problems I encounter with women happen when they're trying to boss me around. Pluto teeters on the edge of both my 5 and 6H, so I think the effect bleeds into both. A large part of my 6H rules Sag, and guess what? My worst experiences with bosses were with Sag women. Screwed me over BIG TIME.

What houses are Moon and Pluto residing in?

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posted January 11, 2013 01:01 PM              

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Moon opp Pluto could be more about your friends being a bit jealous of you, if they are women.

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It would take me forever to realize it if they were. *Shrug.* Actually though... my Taurus friend always tries to tell me my Scorpio friend (with the Moon square Pluto) is jealous of me even though they've never met. I secretly wonder if she's actually jealous of me and just trying to play it off on my friend. I mean, how do you make assumptions about someone you don't know?

posted January 11, 2013 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Moon opp Pluto could be more about your friends being a bit jealous of you, if they are women.

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Hi Starlight How are you?

posted January 11, 2013 01:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Moon is in H6-H7 at critical degree. Pluto in H9.

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posted January 11, 2013 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Do your friends ever tell you or feel like you're forcing your views on them? I don't know if you act that way or not, I'm just reading up on Pluto in the 9th house and wondering.

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Guilty

posted January 11, 2013 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Hi Starlight How are you?

But that too...even with the square...To be honest it does affect me, especially when someone I have considered as a friend makes it a point for me NOT to ever get acquainted with their boyfriends.

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posted January 11, 2013 01:51 PM              

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Guilty

My sister tells me that ALL the time. She has most of her personal planets in Capricorn herself so she doesn't mince her words when she has to tell me the not so savory truths about my personality! She says I intimidate people and I'm not even aware I'm doing it.... I abhor weakness in women, and I know I do come across as a little bit too forceful in my views and opinions which I have learned ( through the hard way) to keep a lid on...

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Okay, so that's true... LOL.

posted January 11, 2013 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Okay, so that's true... LOL.

Something else I just mulled over is maybe the square means you're very feminine and sexy but you don't do anything to be that way, hence you can't control how you come off. So by being yourself, other girls find you threatening...maybe? I wonder if that's a "duh" argument.

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True

posted January 11, 2013 09:15 PM            

And with the age thing my friends range in age from 6 years younger to about 35 years older. And none of them have their Pluto conjunct mine.

posted January 11, 2013 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Thanks Doux for sharing xoxo.

That part hit a soft spot for me:

How this aspect manifests for me is that I have extreme mood swings and intense emotions that are hard to control and hard to express. I can be explosive and have bouts of anger/rage at everything and everyone (usually internally), but mainly at myself. I have high standards for myself and whenever I "mess up" (get too emotional, for ex), I beat myself up for it. I have a weird internal struggle between wanting to be "real" and expressing my emotions, and on the other hand I hate that part of me which I find weak and pathetic. So I'm always torn between being a sensitive, emotional being vs being a self-reliant, rational, "strong" woman.

I am so glad that I found this forum, it's good to relate to other people who have the same aspects with whom you can validate your own experiences.It helps.A lot. I used to feel so inadequate emotionally inside especially when I beat myself up say on a mistake I have 'supposedly' made vis a vis a guy. I am a very strong, proud woman and when I feel like this I can tell you I almost hate myself.

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I have Moon Cap square Pluto Lib and I can relate to everything everyone has posted so far with this. I read one article about this aspect, at least with the transit, is when Titanic hit the iceburg and sank, Moon Pisces was square Pluto Gemini.