posted January 19, 2013 06:19 PM            

It is said to relate to obsession, or let`s rather say, determination and focus to a pahrticular area (I always imagine it like a camera zooming in on one single area, and sticking to it, an intense fascination).

I have a few quindeciles in my chart:

Sun and Mercury exact quindecile my South Node in 7th house (with Mercury being ruler of the SN and 7th house:

Venus exactly quindecile Vertex in 8th house (with Venus ruling 5th, 6th and 10th house)
Of course that means that Venus is also exactly quindecile EROS and my far Sun/Moon-mp

Personally I very strongly relate to that.

For example, yes I admit I am obsessed with analysing relationships, and this would beautifully describe my fascination with analysing especially past life relationships in astrology

But of course this probably could be also explained through other astrological configurations.

That is why I am curious how you can relate to your natal quindeciles?

Also I am curious if they pop up frequently in very intense relationships or infatuations?

Well, I only checked my friend`s and her love,a s they are still so intensely in love with each other (pleasant intensity) and very very close (even despite his Moon being almost unaspected excpet for a widish square to her Venus).

I was surprised nevertheless how many quindeciles I found. lol

posted January 19, 2013 06:51 PM            

As far as Quindeciles in natal, I dont think I really have any as far as I know. But do have experience with them in synastry with some people before. Might explain the constant understanding and intense love I share with my SO, we have Moon Quindecile Jupiter. Its my Jupiter and his Moon. I really think this makes up for the fact that our Moons an other placements are incompatible, but with a Quindecile involved it really makes it enduring.

posted January 19, 2013 07:55 PM            

The sites I just read, associate the quindecile with with "drive". I'm wondering where the astrologers in your link get the association with conjunctions from, because that's parallels, not the quindecile. Parallels are like conjunctions on steroids (or a weak version of a conjunction, depending on who you ask); contraparallels are like oppositions.

I think they're definitely linked to drive and ambition, though - one of the webpages said Mariah Carey has nine of them, and I totally believe that - listen to the song "Make it Happen"...for her to put up with all she had to in order to get into the music business, clearly she had a high degree of ambition and drive if she was willing to cry herself to sleep and starve rather than pick up her ball and go home and go into some other field instead that wasn't as difficult to enter into.

I don't have any quindeciles, and I'm definitely not a driven, ambitious, or competitive person. I'm very mellow and laid back...and my life goals are usually considered 'slackerish' by other people.

By the way, some of the websites tell you to just look at a natal chart, and any planets that look like they're "almost in opposition", are quindecile. That's...not true. I thought I had a Mars-Neptune quindecile for that reason, but if you actually pull up the 15th Harmonic Chart...they aren't conjunct. In Harmonics charts, the planets that actually form a harmonic aspect to each other in the natal chart, will show up as conjunct in the harmonic chart.

posted January 20, 2013 05:49 AM            

"Might explain the constant understanding and intense love I share with my SO, we have Moon Quindecile Jupiter."
Do you feel like there is an intense emotionally happy vibe between you? Does he make you laugh? And does this contribute to your feeling of being close and even feel "at home" with him?

"Your friend having Moon Quindecile Pluto with her love, that's like adding spice on something that already hot and on fire lol."
Yes. Pluto in a quindecile aspect seems to be doubly the fun. lol
Also their 8th house rulers (his Moon and her Saturn) are quindecile each other`s Pluto this way.

Plus they have the quindeciles to their chartrulers. I find that quite intriguing.

posted January 20, 2013 06:01 AM            

" because no one really talks about them for very long."
Then you didn`t get across Noel Tyl, Ricky Reeves or Basil Fearrington I guess.

" I'm wondering where the astrologers in your link get the association with conjunctions from"
Only in terms of that they apparently are felt nearly as strongly as the other dynamic aspects. Of course the nature of the aspect, the meaning of it is entirely different.

"I think they're definitely linked to drive and ambition,"
Yes, well, it pretty much boils down to "focus". Ambition does not have to relate exclusively to worldly success; just shows a point of extreme focus for a person. This can translate into drive and ambition, and in some cases this focusing of course can also translate into obsession and compulsion, though I think obsession and compulsion is more a possible result, but not really the basic meaning.

"us, or competitive person. I'm very mellow and laid back...and my life goals are usually considered 'slackerish' by other people."
Yes, that seems to fit with an absence of quindeciles I guess.

""almost in opposition","
opposition plus/ minus 15 degrees

"but if you actually pull up the 15th Harmonic Chart...they aren't conjunct."
Actually the quindecile is an aspect of the 24th harmonic (yes I know the naming is misleading, I think the name relates to the first aspect of the 24th harmonic, 15 degrees; the quindecile that is being used, 165°, is part of the 24th harmonic aspect series, though not the basic 24th harmonic aspect).

Also if you put up a 24th harmonic chart, remember, that the orb is 24 degrees.
This means that a quindecile, which has an orb of 1 degree only in the natal chart, will appear as a conjunction with 24 degrees in the harmonic chart.

posted January 20, 2013 06:10 AM            

"Michael Munkasey conducted research on a group of 600 charts and observed that the 24th harmonic aspects were very powerful, and inclined the person to have a strong need for attention, feelings of insecurity, urgent needs, a tendency to develop strenght or skills, uncooperativeness, increased energy, and and intuitive, almost psychic, ability to respond to subtle sensory input."

The author goes on to share his thoughts on the 24th harmonic aspect.

"I would expect the 24th harmonic to have a meaning based on this fctoring: 4 times 3times 2. This can be summarazied as a strong desire to achieve something practical (4) with the gift or facility that one has (3) and to share it and have others apreciate it (2)."

and referring back to Munkasey

posted January 20, 2013 06:15 AM            

""Quin-deh-chee'-leh" is the Latinate word for fifteen, referring to the fifteen-degree increments of all aspects in the 24th harmonic (360/24=15: 15, 30, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 120, 135, 150, 165, 180. Of these aspects, all but the 105 and 165 are already covered (named) by existing aspect references. Research showed the 105 to be unreliable, inconclusive, insignificant, and boring; research showed conclusively, adamantly, that the 165 is an aspect of unrelenting moitvation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation. I have studied the quindecile now in some 900-1,000 cases."
http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/990801.html

Honestly, I can`t do anything with the mentioning of disruption or separation, as I wouldn´t know how to apply it to analyzing this aspect in a chart. However I can see how it works with keywords like "determination/ focus/ drive etc..

posted January 20, 2013 07:38 AM            

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posted January 20, 2013 01:53 PM            

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You, always, put so many interesting subjects on. Thanks Ceri! xx

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Glad you liked it.

posted January 20, 2013 02:41 PM            

Sadly, the quindeciles I have explain a lot, but are not that great...in a way.

I have Sun in the 10th in Libra quindecile Uranus-Neptune in Capricorn in the 2nd. Since these are both houses related to the profession I feel that this is very relevant to my life. My Sun has 0 aspects to it. I've always had an obsessive drive towards my career. I feel that my Sun being quindecile Neptune and Uranus is a reflection of how I am really, really obsessed with having a uniquely creative career.

My Sun is quindecile Saturn in Pisces in the 3rd which is more of a reflection of how my dad has never really been a presence in my life I can count on, and his absence has made me basically driven to be an workaholic in the arts arena, it's made me very OCD-perfectionistic in all areas of life especially all things beauty and art, appearance too [Libra influence].

My Moon in Virgo in the 9th is also quindecile Saturn in the 3rd, reflecting my disappointment in my mom and how I have always been prone to self-restricrtion of emotion but also I am very dedicated to somehow finding a way to travel more and see the world beyond the restrictions in my childhood, to find more love.

posted January 20, 2013 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Librachoice,

"Might explain the constant understanding and intense love I share with my SO, we have Moon Quindecile Jupiter."
Do you feel like there is an intense emotionally happy vibe between you? Does he make you laugh? And does this contribute to your feeling of being close and even feel "at home" with him?

"Your friend having Moon Quindecile Pluto with her love, that's like adding spice on something that already hot and on fire lol."
Yes. Pluto in a quindecile aspect seems to be doubly the fun. lol
Also their 8th house rulers (his Moon and her Saturn) are quindecile each other`s Pluto this way.

Plus they have the quindeciles to their chartrulers. I find that quite intriguing.

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posted January 20, 2013 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
How do u find them? Manually?

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posted January 21, 2013 07:04 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
This is an awesome topic. I've had a real interest in quindeciles lately after just discovering them a month ago, and discovering I have a few in my natal chart as well!

Sadly, the quindeciles I have explain a lot, but are not that great...in a way.

I have Sun in the 10th in Libra quindecile Uranus-Neptune in Capricorn in the 2nd. Since these are both houses related to the profession I feel that this is very relevant to my life. My Sun has 0 aspects to it. I've always had an obsessive drive towards my career. I feel that my Sun being quindecile Neptune and Uranus is a reflection of how I am really, really obsessed with having a uniquely creative career.

My Sun is quindecile Saturn in Pisces in the 3rd which is more of a reflection of how my dad has never really been a presence in my life I can count on, and his absence has made me basically driven to be an workaholic in the arts arena, it's made me very OCD-perfectionistic in all areas of life especially all things beauty and art, appearance too [Libra influence].

My Moon in Virgo in the 9th is also quindecile Saturn in the 3rd, reflecting my disappointment in my mom and how I have always been prone to self-restricrtion of emotion but also I am very dedicated to somehow finding a way to travel more and see the world beyond the restrictions in my childhood, to find more love.

Again, not very pleasant but it is reality. I can see how the obsessiveness of the aspect comes out in my life. The Saturn influence is what makes me such a control freak. I am trying so, so hard not to be one anymore however! It's tough though.

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Thank you, Sweet-Scorpion.
I find it very helpful to understand the quindecile "at work" through the way you related it to your life. it makes very much sense.

In my chart the quindeciles are to angles, which I find a bit hard to understand.

Sun/Mercury quindecile South Node
Venus quindecile Vertex.

I can see how *something* is up with Sun, mercury, and Venus and how it all relates to relationships, with the SN in 7th house, Vertex in 8th house and Venus ruling 5th and Mercury ruling 7th house, but it is not easy to put it into practical terms.

posted January 21, 2013 07:05 AM            

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Yes, its very ethereal type feeling to the relationship, the Quindecile gives relationships a special flavor that other aspects dont really have. I think I read somewhere that Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton had Venus Quindecile Pluto between them. Its a real push and pull effect lol.

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Yes, they had, and I think they had some other quindeciles as well. Actually I had been checking some synastries yesterday, theirs among them.

posted January 21, 2013 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
Is Pluto quindecile my sun? That's not 165. Ceri what do my quindeciles mean?

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Yes. You have to count the shortest distance between the two planets, and I think your Pluto and Sun are in orb for quindecile.

posted January 21, 2013 07:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes. You have to count the shortest distance between the two planets, and I think your Pluto and Sun are in orb for quindecile.

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posted January 21, 2013 09:02 AM            

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Oprah!
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Yes.

I think Sun-Pluto in quindecile, especially with Sun and Pltuo being in fixed signs might make you quite persistent, tenacious and some would maybe say quite stubborn in certain respects.

posted January 21, 2013 09:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

But of course this probably could be also explained through other astrological configurations.

That is why I am curious how you can relate to your natal quindeciles?

Also I am curious if they pop up frequently in very intense relationships or infatuations?

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I have a handful:
Venus Quindecile Neptune=
A obsession/drive surrounding the arts in general, aesthetics

Sun Quindecile North Node=
A personal drive to find a purpose to life, a destiny to fulfill.

Sun Quindecile Neptune: Focus on recognition drive towards a Ideal, but with Neptune in Capricorn not so much illusion or fantasy/

Jupiter Quindecile North Node/MC and Uranus = a focus on education and philosophy with a drive for individual freedom

Pluto quindecile Asc and Eros/Psyche= A focus on my physical appearance that comes off more extreme to people who don't know me personally.

posted January 21, 2013 03:09 PM            

- Venus quindecile Lilith. (There are consistently dark themes running through my relationships, my creativity also has a dark element which can become obsessive)

- Moon quindecile Ascendant (I am obsessed with developing a strong, secure relationship with myself; abhor being seen as needy, esp when I feel that I am being that way)

- Mars quindecile Chiron (although well hidden, I have a strong killer instinct if I need it.

The most intense, persistent and obsessive relationship I ever had contained many quindeciles : including my Venus quindecile his Mars, my Saturn quindecile his Sun; my South Node quindecile his Sun; my Pluto quindecile his North Node, my Juno quindecile his Moon, my Sun quindecile his Neptune, my Venus quindecile his Vertex and my Jupiter quindecile his Descendant.