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sweet-scorpion
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posted January 21, 2013 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
In my chart I have

- Moon quindecile Ascendant (I am obsessed with developing a strong, secure relationship with myself; abhor being seen as needy, esp when I feel that I am being that way)


I find the Moon-ASC aspect, of either the quincunx, quindecile, opposition or square to be tough to have personally. I dislike mine intensely... I have the square. You nailed it with your description... of how you are very worried and obsessed in a way, with not seeming needy to others or covering the needy side of yourself up. I'm very much the same with my square. I have an neurotic and sometimes emotionless Virgo Moon, that makes me feel I can't express my needs. It is square my ASC. I feel that I must at all times not seem too needy and at the same time, must hide that I can sometimes be emotionally distant, to avoid being disliked.

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posted January 21, 2013 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Decided to look into the synastry of someone from my past turns out:
His Venus quindecile my Mars
My Sun quindecile his Neptune/Saturn
His Pluto quindecile my Venus

That explains a lot

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posted January 21, 2013 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Yes.

I think Sun-Pluto in quindecile, especially with Sun and Pltuo being in fixed signs might make you quite persistent, tenacious and some would maybe say quite stubborn in certain respects.

there is probably much intensity and focus on how to balance your own needs and those of others (the emphasis is on the 1st and 7th house, and Pluto also rules 1st house).


What would be a negative expression of such a quindecile?

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posted January 21, 2013 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lazyscarecrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to Astro I have

Sun quindecile Uranus
Mercury quindecile Neptune

but astrowin is trying to say Sun quindecile Uranus, Saturn, and Neptune.

So this would suggest an obsession with my freedom, individuality, and just being wandering off the worn, familiar path? And as for the other, expressing my thoughts and views in a romantic or aesthetic way? I feel I am being too simple.
And anyways, I have Mercury/Neptune inconjunct, could I have the quindecile as well?

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posted January 22, 2013 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Decided to look into the synastry of someone from my past turns out:
His Venus quindecile my Mars
My Sun quindecile his Neptune/Saturn
His Pluto quindecile my Venus

That explains a lot


Wow, that sounds quite hot (the Venus/Mars and Venus/Pluto one).

Seems that most can relate to their quindeciles.That is good to know, maybe I should look at them more often.

Sand,

how about STUBBORN?
But then again, you being all fixed and having a Leo-Moon will probably see that as a compliment, right?

But there is a point when stubbornness becomes inflexibility, and that can be detrimental. It is one thing to have a goal and a purpose, but sometimes it is better to let go of things or people instead of trying to "mold" them into an ideal they are not really.

There might be a difficulty to realize when it is best to let go and look for another goal. This might affect your relationships (Sun in 7th house), but also your social standing or even career (intercepted Sun rules 10th house).


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posted January 22, 2013 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol yeah!

But.. I can see v v much how it is a detriment in my life. I get stuck in ruts. Thought that was my t-square. I guess the quindecile adds to it.

Yes my relationships, social standing, and career have all suffered from refusal to give in to the ways of the world. Darn.

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posted January 22, 2013 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone wants to suggest what partner's Venus/Mars conjunction in exact quindecile to my Asc/Node mean?

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posted January 22, 2013 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sand:
Lol yeah!

But.. I can see v v much how it is a detriment in my life. I get stuck in ruts. Thought that was my t-square. I guess the quindecile adds to it.

Yes my relationships, social standing, and career have all suffered from refusal to give in to the ways of the world. Darn.


On the flip side though it might give you a LOT of determination, if you have set a goal, and persistence and stamina. That is a good thing (unless it leads you to get stuck of course).

Of course that is already emphasized in your T-square, and the fact that practically all your personal planets and asc are in fixed signs.


It`s never just one indicator, usually they pile up a little.

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posted January 22, 2013 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not really firm in interpreting quindeciles, but it seems to speak of a very intense magnetism and urge to connect.
Also some astrologers say (and I have found that quite fitting so far) that the involvement of the nodal axis somehow makes a connection being experienced as very deep and meaningful.
Basil FEarington wrote that usually it is the planet`s person who is affected the most (though I am sure some astrologers see it the other way round); but however it will be, the nodal axis is indicative of connections, as it relates to Sun and Moon-symbolism due to its astronomical calculation, and the ASC is a main angle, which has top priority for anchoring in life, in the physical realm (we all live in,s ince we all have a body).
I suppose a connection of Venus and Mars to these two symbols can make a connection or attraction very immediate; the energetical exchange might be pretty electrifying.
With the aspect being a quindecile, it might introduce a strong determination and intense focus.
Like your physical appearance in the world (not just your body, but your poise, your attitude towards the world, your initial reactions to outward stimuli) becomes a focal point for him and triggers his sexual or relational nature.
Well, this might lead to strong sexual and romantic attraction to you; or it might be just indicative of feeling very energized around you.


Or I could be totally wrong.

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posted January 22, 2013 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leocassandra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun Quindecile Moon.

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posted January 22, 2013 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am not really firm in interpreting quindeciles, but it seems to speak of a very intense magnetism and urge to connect.
Also some astrologers say (and I have found that quite fitting so far) that the involvement of the nodal axis somehow makes a connection being experienced as very deep and meaningful.
Basil FEarington wrote that usually it is the planet`s person who is affected the most (though I am sure some astrologers see it the other way round); but however it will be, the nodal axis is indicative of connections, as it relates to Sun and Moon-symbolism due to its astronomical calculation, and the ASC is a main angle, which has top priority for anchoring in life, in the physical realm (we all live in,s ince we all have a body).
I suppose a connection of Venus and Mars to these two symbols can make a connection or attraction very immediate; the energetical exchange might be pretty electrifying.
With the aspect being a quindecile, it might introduce a strong determination and intense focus.
Like your physical appearance in the world (not just your body, but your poise, your attitude towards the world, your initial reactions to outward stimuli) becomes a focal point for him and triggers his sexual or relational nature.
Well, this might lead to strong sexual and romantic attraction to you; or it might be just indicative of feeling very energized around you.

Thank you, Ceridwen,

it makes a lot of sense now that you put it in words.

my thoughts were in a similar fashion but because I was invloved in the forementioned aspect, I was afraid I was biased in its interpretaion.

I also have my Vertex ( 17' Virgo) excatly on his Venus/Mars conjunction at 17' Virgo. The draw is huge and inexplicable.

Thanks again!

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posted January 22, 2013 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5h Sun Qd 11h/12h Antivertex
9h Moon Qd 4h Uranus
3h Saturn (Eros/Ishtar too then lol) Qd MC
10h North Node Qd Mercury/Neptune (4h stellium, has Jupiter too)
fwiw 9h Chiron Qd Venus/South Node

(all 2° or less, favouring lesser)

These are so fascinating, thank you so much for bringing them to our attention (or at least to mine, sorry), Ceridwen <3

I'm including asteroids/stars and looking at patterns right now, (for my own enjoyment mostly, but also to maybe grasp meanings and further understand idiosyncrasies that I'd noticed before but hadn't found a way to describe!) But, hoping to gain some understanding; maybe after I get some decent shut-eye I will pick apart some synastry examples...

They're very new to me though, and although I've tried reading into them online here, I'm not familiar enough with the energy to tell what they all mean so far... but, hopefully after looking at examples with my relations instead of the natal only, I'll be able to catch the gist of it! I hope! haha Either way, thanks again! I'll continue studying! lol <3

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posted January 22, 2013 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
and the fact that practically all your personal planets and asc are in fixed signs.


You know I never noticed that!

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posted January 23, 2013 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow, that sounds quite hot (the Venus/Mars and Venus/Pluto one).

Seems that most can relate to their quindeciles.That is good to know, maybe I should look at them more often.


A little too intense with my Venus conjunct his Lust. meh.

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posted January 31, 2013 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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his Moon quindecile her Pluto exact
his pluto quindecile her Sun exact
his Pluto quindecile her Saturn
his Venus quindecile her Venus exact
his Jupiter/North Node quindecile her Antivertex
his Antivertex quindecile her Moon
(Moon is her chartruler; Jupiter is his)
his Pluto quindecile her Jupiter exact
his MC quindecile her Jupiter exact
his DESC quindecile her Mercury exact (which sits on his Antivertex exactly, and rujles her 5th house)


I thought the similarities regarding this 165 degr. aspect are a little bit too striking to let it just go.. 3 the exact same aspects (even qua sex)

His Moon quindecile my Pluto (exact)
His Venus/Nept. quindecile my Venus (exact)
His Pluto quindecile my Saturn (exact)

Some others,

His North Node quindecile my South Node ~ and vice versa ofcourse (exact)

An interesting pattern with these Nodes;
- His Jupiter (conj. my South Node) quindecile his NN exact.
- My Venus (conj. his South Node) quindecile my NN exact.

(^ it takes something to get this clear in your head)

His Venus/Nept. (quincunx my SN) also quindecile his South Node exact btw.

And,

His Jupiter quindecile my Vesta (which conj. his NN) exact.

These are the ones I remember.

I've also some very strong (next to the Venus/NN I mentioned above) quindeciles (exact) in my natal.
His' are only the ones I described above (-> Venus/Nept. & Jupiter to the Nodes)

This for now.

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posted January 31, 2013 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Mir, that is astounding!

I am really confounded by the quindeciles I must say. I had not expected it to appear so prominently in so many synastries (and natals).

What do we conclude from that?
Can we conclude that there is "something" to it, or can it still be just coincidence?

BTW my own quindeciles with the man who is driving me BONKERS, but I just can`t get him out from under my skin - and that is just not acceptable for an Aquarius-Moon. If I tell a feeling: go away, it does just that, goes away, right?
But it is not working with this guy.


Anyway our quindeciles:

his Uranus qd my DESC and SN
his Pluto qd my IC
his NN qd my Moon exact
his Saturn qd my Jupiter exact
his DESC qd my Jupiter (my chartruler) exact
his ASC qd my Pluto exact


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posted January 31, 2013 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yet another new concept to consider.

Natally, I see

VENUS qd MOON (<2) (1st house-8th house; 5th/10th house ruler - 8th house ruler)
MARS qd PLUTO (<1) (3rd house-9th house; 4th house ruler - 12th house ruler)
ASC/JUPITER qd SATURN (<1) (6th house; chart ruler - 2nd house ruler)

Interesting. ...Not sure yet what it means for me. Seems like too much to even consider, right now. (Obsessive? Er, em...cough.) Not sure how I'd parse it out and separate its effects from other aspects; or how to put it into words, as you say.

You mention planets QD to the ASC perhaps being most observable in one's expression. I would agree that people can take me for being "serious." Hmm. I'd previously attributed it to my Cap Venus in 1st.

Thanks, Ceridwen.

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posted January 31, 2013 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol Scorp- and Aqua Moons must come from very verry different planets
Push that button in your brain to stop feeling doesn't work with us, hm.. or it must be the combi with my Mars quindecile Asc./Merc. exact. Only *action* will *kill* our emotional captivity.. (btw wow Mars is square my Moon also!- that explains *IT*)

Yess.. quindeciles are no joke, is what I really think.

His Venus/Nept. conjunction .. I just couldn't believe/grasp that this most important aspect in his chart would only make one stupid sextile to my Moon.. ?? Well, since I know now it's exactly quindecile my Venus + both intensely connected to our quindecile-NODES>.. and also: WT.. is my Venus doing there on his SN, and his Jupiter on mine ?? etc.

.. feels like: puzzle pieces that fall step by step into place (something like that )

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posted February 19, 2013 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, this Quindecile thing keeps coming to my mind. Ugh. I think these might be the next helpful thing for me to ponder in my natal.

This from an article by Noel Tyl:
http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/990801.html

"Research showed ... conclusively, adamantly, that the 165 is an aspect of unrelenting moitvation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation. ...

"The quindecile, with rulership routings to be respected as well, suggests a burning point of focus, often a place of extreme concern and effort in the life, even to the point of upheaval, disruption, and obsessive mania."

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...This earlier post on the quindecile quotes Ricki Reeves, who wrote a book about the aspect.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007356.html

"Synastry - If planets are in quindecile aspect, within the synastry of two horoscopes, it indicates obsessive/compulsive inclinations within that relationship. When both persons have natal quindecile(s) and there are quindecile(s) through synastry of the two horoscopes, the relationship dynamics may be overwhelmingly obsessive/compulsive. This inclination will not be nearly as powerful if those involved do not have quindecile(s) within their own natal horoscopes. If person "A" has natal quindecile(s), and person "B" doesn't, the obsession/compulsion within the relationship may be one-sided, with "A" focusing on "B".


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posted February 20, 2013 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a few Quindeciles!

Mercury quindecile ASC
Mars quindecile Vertex
Uranus quindecile S.Node
Uranus quindecile ASC
Neptune quindecile S.Node


Any idea how this may work for me??

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posted February 20, 2013 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About a quindecile to the *North Node* (which ofcourse is not automatically one to the South Node);

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Planets quindecile North Node may suggest the life purpose , a thrust into public recognition and renown, or a prominent maternal relationship.
1.) Planetary dynamics involved can actually define one's "life purpose". (i.e. John F. Kennedy - Saturn quindecile North Node)
2.) Recognition and renown can be literally "thrust" upon the individual and it can be suggestive of a life that is somehow destined to be in the limelight. (i.e. Jeffrey Dahmer - Mars quindecile North Node)
3.) The impact of the relationship with the mother may be a primary factor in the molding of character, demeanor, values, and ability to cope or not cope with life . (i.e. John F. Kennedy, Jr. - Moon quindecile North Node)

(from the link Jovian gave)

Leonardo da Vince had an Uranus/NN quindecile.

Unfortunately Ricky Reeves hasn't researched quindeciles to the South Node (yet).

I quindeciles.

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posted February 20, 2013 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking; the chance of becoming obsessed by someone is much higher if you have natal quindeciles .. that's pretty unfair!

quote:
"Synastry - If planets are in quindecile aspect, within the synastry of two horoscopes, it indicates obsessive/compulsive inclinations within that relationship. When both persons have natal quindecile(s) and there are quindecile(s) through synastry of the two horoscopes, the relationship dynamics may be overwhelmingly obsessive/compulsive. This inclination will not be nearly as powerful if those involved do not have quindecile(s) within their own natal horoscopes. If person "A" has natal quindecile(s), and person "B" doesn't, the obsession/compulsion within the relationship may be one-sided, with "A" focusing on "B".

I was looking at a previous object of obsession.

Yess we shared some pretty close ones in our synastry.

I'm FULL of (tight) quindeciles natally.

He had only 2;

Moon-Mercury (1)
Saturn-descendant (0'36)

Guess what.. he *INDEED* was obsessed by/with STATUS! Well, and if you're obsessed with status then for sure there's NO chance you can ever become obsessed with me

More examples of obsession?

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posted February 20, 2013 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have three of them:

Chiron quindecile Vesta
Mercury quindecile Part of Fortune
Black Moon Lilith quindecile Descendant

Still stuck on what they could mean.

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posted February 21, 2013 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm.. Chiron quindecile Vesta -> mijn schatting zou zijn intens gebrand op langdurige vriendschappen, vriendschappen voor het leven?

Speaking my mommy language? Surprise Surpise!

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posted February 21, 2013 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yess, iemand die Nederlands spreekt hier! Zeker een verassing. Kom je ook uit NL?

That interpretation is so right, by the way. I'm not that good at making long-term friends, so that makes me even more determined to keep up with the ones that are really worth it. My best friends live on the other side of the country or even abroad, so I can't see them as often as I'd like.

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