posted February 05, 2013 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by peregrine:
still want to know what u did to break ur thumb!

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posted February 05, 2013 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I'm not judging you at all but to say, oh its totally fine is just bs from your part..
Thats like shop lifting from Walmart, just because you do not get caught its still stealing.

Actually a lot of smaller studios have shut down (jobs have been lost) because lack of profit, because pirating is so easily done. This happened to a friend.
Unless you work for huge studios like dream works or Ea you'll survive just fine.
You can torrent a 50 dollar video game for free, only fans or game console players really buy them.
This is why companies all over the world like forced the government to shutdown mega video

Lmao those HUGE movies make there profit form the box offices and dishing out money for the theater ...... Does not count.

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Ok, let's put your comparison in to practice and see how it works... based on your theoretical comparison - in practice... people should be able to clone the products from Walmart in the courtesy of their home, even more than that - they should able to do it "without using any physical resources". It's called intellectual property Piracy... we're not talking about thieves and real life products... The main controversial part about piracy it's related to the nature of this product - as in "virtual"... which offers to possibility to clone something without using/loosing any physical resource from the real world... of course - you can use blank dvd/cd's but that's optional... If we're talking about a "virtual world" we're talking about the internet - which is still "something new and hard to grasp" for older generations - who tried to understand it and adapt it to old principles. The ones affected by this the most are the ones who failed to adapt wile "smart/innovative" companies like Apple - figured it out... when they released iTunes ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_Store ) and they're not the only ones...

"Actually a lot of smaller studios have shut down (jobs have been lost) because lack of profit, because pirating is so easily done. This happened to a friend."

Are you sure that didn't happen cause competitions - where bigger fish ate the little ones? Cause that happens in every domain - all the time, i lost 2 jobs for a similar reason and i didn't blame it on Saturn.

"You can torrent a 50 dollar video game for free, only fans or game console players really buy them."

...not just fans but also parents who afford to - wile others wait for "Steam (like iTunes - for games)" sales. Those who download games from torrents on release date - wouldn't spend money on a game anyway, most being students or kids who don't afford to pay for the real deal and the services that come with that.

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posted February 05, 2013 05:34 PM            

I'm actually hundred percent sure thats what happened.. independent indie companies often shut down because either most people just download illegally because hey its easy lmao. Its not mainstream enough to make a large profit because theres people who do not pirate games because of their principles. Independent studios often have to find large corporation's to market them, and thats as likely as getting a record deal
What does saturn have to do with anything?

Companies do not invest money in a product so others can obtain them for free.
I don't know why I have explain why piracy is stealing :P

posted February 05, 2013 09:19 PM              

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Originally posted by anno_lucis:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by peregrine:
[b] still want to know what u did to break ur thumb!

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no well i'd like to blame it on a chiron/mars transit. but the truth is it will be filed under 'more dumb sh** done whilst inebriated' and that folder is already kinda bulging saturn really is going to kill me, isn't he. *tries not to cry* lol[/B][/QUOTE]

posted February 05, 2013 09:22 PM              

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Being hypocritical isn't a good quality either.

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i am honestly hypocritical too. i am like omg ur such a materialistic hobag! wait ima materialistic douche too ain't i?

posted February 06, 2013 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Basically what your saying its not stealing because its not a physical item? You keep telling yourself that even thou the law explains something different.
If someone hacks into another persons bank account and steal money thats okay because there was no physical money involved...
Yes the world is changing and and virtual objects are becoming of value.
The only thing I see in the future is technology that will monitor piracy closely.
I actually had a friend who was contacted by his internet provider because of illegal torenting
I'm a student and I purchase video games with my own money, thats no valid excuse. I actually know people that wait till steam sales go on. I've bought a 60 dollar game for 24 dollars!

I'm actually hundred percent sure thats what happened.. independent indie companies often shut down because either most people just download illegally because hey its easy lmao. Its not mainstream enough to make a large profit because theres people who do not pirate games because of their principles. Independent studios often have to find large corporation's to market them, and thats as likely as getting a record deal
What does saturn have to do with anything?

Companies do not invest money in a product so others can obtain them for free.
I don't know why I have explain why piracy is stealing :P

If you download illegally your not as ethical as you think, I don't why everyone has to give the society approved answer lmao. You're not perfect and that does not make you a bad person, humans aren't suppose to be honest abe. Theres no way we would be able to survive

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I was being "objective, not defensive" - the part related to piracy wasn't about me or my honesty. And what's with that example (again) - it's not even remotely close to what piracy does/means and its place in the virtual world, on the internet - which kinda proves that - you don't really understand it - if for you hacking in to a bank account is similar to downloading an mp3 of the internet...

Hacking in to a bank account - implies a security breach in to a private building where real money of some client are stolen... they're not virtual money based on the way the banking system works... as in: if a client has 3000$ in his account... and someone brakes in to his account - he'll take those money and "move it to another account"... so - the initial sum of 3000$ from the client account turns to 0$.

Was talking more about the evolution of the internet and obsolete laws/models - that tried/try to force things their way (the old way)... being unable to adapt, was talking about treaties like ACTA (for example): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0 but you act/talk like a supporter:

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Originally posted by Kerosene:

The only thing I see in the future is technology that will monitor piracy closely.

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posted February 06, 2013 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by peregrine:
lol ur a strange bird flossy!

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posted February 06, 2013 06:40 PM              

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Originally posted by anno_lucis:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by peregrine:
[b] lol ur a strange bird flossy!

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posted February 06, 2013 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
...so, let's agree to disagree... and have a nice day.

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You're right piracy is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but honesty is based off of principles, no matter how small they are.
I used the bank as an example because you claim these forms of media are virtual. Meaning it has no inherent value.. The SAMEE point is also with media that has not been not purchased, although hacking is obviously illegal.

posted February 07, 2013 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by peregrine:
am so normal holmes!

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