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its_aqua
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posted February 08, 2013 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so what aspcets/placements make an individual not able to combine both?

What I mean is that when you can't really express yourself sexually when in a loving relationship, but on the other hand, can express yourself sexually and feel free when the relationship is just for that purpose?

What would indicate that in a chart?

edit: I'm posting my chart today, for anyone who wants to take a look!

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posted February 08, 2013 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ive no idea but that is me to a T

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posted February 08, 2013 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon square Venus

Especially in a man's chart. It apparently gives a "Madonna/w-h-o-r-e complex".

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posted February 08, 2013 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by starfairy:
Moon square Venus

Especially in a man's chart. It apparently gives a "Madonna/w-h-o-r-e complex".


I guess I may have that complex. But my Moon is sextile Venus.
There must be more to it!

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posted February 08, 2013 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i guess venus is the girlfriend/mistress whereas moon is more mother/wife

its a very good thing if mens moon and venus signs are similar or the same (eg scorpio moon leo venus etc- both sexy signs) and not a great thing if they are quite disparate (eg gemini venus cap moon) likely to lead to cheating where one cannot forfil the needs of the other

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posted February 08, 2013 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why don't you post your chart, or tell us your planets/aspects?

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posted February 08, 2013 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by starfairy:
Moon square Venus

Especially in a man's chart. It apparently gives a "Madonna/w-h-o-r-e complex".


Please do tell more.

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posted February 08, 2013 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sharpei:
i guess venus is the girlfriend/mistress whereas moon is more mother/wife

its a very good thing if mens moon and venus signs are similar or the same (eg scorpio moon leo venus etc- both sexy signs) and not a great thing if they are quite disparate (eg gemini venus cap moon) likely to lead to cheating where one cannot forfil the needs of the other


Yeah sounds like it. Gemini Venus and Moon in Pisces :/ blech

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posted February 08, 2013 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Please do tell more.

The Moon represents our emotions, what nurtures us, while Venus is a sexual planet, and represents what we find attractive. When the two are in square aspect, it can be difficult to find someone who fulfills both needs simultaneously. The type of person we find sexy/beautiful is not the type that makes us feel nurtured/emotionally fulfilled. So, it can lead to perpetual disappointment in love, or the person may decide to have 2 partners. Or, the person will simply "give up" one need for another.


"The Madonna/***** Complex: Venus and the Moon
In certain cases – those where Venus and the Moon align by classically hard aspect, the square or opposition – the tension between the two different feminine archetypes plays out as the struggle between mothering or loving. This can show up in intimate relationships, as in the classic case of a man struggling to work out whether he wants his woman to master the bedroom or the kitchen. Or it can show up in family dynamics, such as a woman at odds with needing to prioritise between the demands of motherhood and the desires of being flirty or seductive.


Exploring these tough Venus/Moon aspects from a male perspective got more of a work out once I began consulting. Male clients with a square or opposition between Venus and the Moon often related to this difficulty reconciling both aspects of their female partners, some going so far as to have a wife at home (Moon) and a mistress on the side (Venus). In popular culture, the struggles experienced between Charlotte and Trey in the HBO series Sex and The City, as they tried to transform Trey’s idealistic image of his elegant wife into a raunchier version he could get aroused with depicts this struggle."
http://kellysurteesastrology.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/the-madonnawhore-compl ex-venus-and-the-moon/

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posted February 08, 2013 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Venus square moon and I don't think I'll ever decide to have casual sex. And I would never cheat.

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posted February 08, 2013 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon sq Mars. isn't this the Madonna /***** complex? If not, what is?

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posted February 08, 2013 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Moon sq Mars. isn't this the Madonna /***** complex? If not, what is?


Yeah, I agree with that, too... Mars-sex, Moon-emotional needs.. makes total sense.

More on Moon square Venus:

"The Moon symbolizes the mother, the child, the wife, the public. Our needs for belonging, nurturing and safety come under Luna’s domain. Venus concerns our values, our sensuality, our erotic connections. She is symbolized by the young woman, the maiden.
Just looking at the characters representing these archetypes, we see a conflict between the mother and the young woman. Liz Greene has written on this in her Seminars in Psychological Astrology series... In a man’s chart, the native may experience a split between these two archetypes, resulting in a difficulty in marriage. He may have trouble seeing the erotic maiden in his wife, and attempt to meet these two archetypes in different women. This is a frequent problem, of course, in the male psyche: Once the wife becomes a mother, can he see her as the sexually alluring young woman he met before she became his wife? Or does he seek out a young woman with whom to have an affair, while he maintains a family?" http://sasstrology.com/2007/07/moon-venus-conflict.html

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posted February 08, 2013 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well just great, cos my boyfriend has Moon square mars AND venus.. in gemini.. yuck

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starfairy
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posted February 08, 2013 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Well just great, cos my boyfriend has Moon square mars AND venus.. in gemini.. yuck

Well, it totally depends on your synastry!!

I was with one guy who was almost perfect for me, actually.. His Venus was conjunct my Venus (and square my Moon), and his Mars opposed my Moon (and squared my Venus). I think it's important that neither planet feels "left out." Having strong aspects to both is very helpful.

Keep in mind, not every woman or man with this placement is a player! I know quite a few men with this placement, and they are NOT womanizers at all! But, they tell me that they feel they have to "give up" one need for another.

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GrlyGirl200
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posted February 08, 2013 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not even a man and I'm this way. In relationships (where I care) I'm very possessive and very much so not into sharing or wanting the other person with someone else. I also am very much so inclined to not be my extreme self sexually (ie I'm much more traditional about sex). Whereas in just a sexual or fun relationship I'm ALL about trying various things, and have done things I would never even think of doing with serious bf's. Nor would I even tell them.

In me I see it as it being a difference between the male and female side of my chart. Overall my chart isn't bad in terms of placements, but is a mixed bag in terms of it's aspects and house placements. For a woman the male side is the Sun/Mars/7th house, and the female side (or how they traditionally express their female side) is by Venus/Moon/7th house.

My Sun/Asc/Mars Conjunction in Cancer in the 1st form a Yod between my Jupiter and Uranus Sextile so that along with the 1st house flavor makes me able to separate love and sex and have fun for the sake of it. Although I do naturally want sex to have an emotional aspect for it to be the most satisfying. But I am fully able to do the deed and not be a weepy mess. I've never done a one night stand as any hookups started as friends (Venus in 11th...and Sun/Mars/IC Uranus aspects) so they weren't a one time thing.

And my Moon in Cap and Venus in Taurus along with my Moon Square Pluto and Venus Opp Saturn gives me my possessive side...and more
"vanilla side"...but my IC (which is like a Moon for a Cancer) is Square Uranus, and my Moon and Venus are in Air houses so that shakes things up a bit and can make for some overlap in terms of friend material and serious bf material.

As far as men to be honest I'm not going to say this is an astrology thing. I've met men where they were had all traditional sensitive placements (ie water...) and they have with surprising ease been able to separate love and sex. And this is from seeing guy friends do this to girls...where one girl fulfills his need for sex but another is one he intends on taking home to mom.

I actually dated a double Sag with Virgo Rising who had his Mercury and Venus in Scorpio Conjunct Pluto, and his Mars in Pisces. He was magnetically attracted to me...and I to him.

He was known to have a thing for women from other races/ethnicities/and cultures (he's a Sag Sun and Moon afterall lol)...HOWEVER he being the responsible Sag Sun/Moon Conjunct Saturn AND Virgo Rising who cares about appearances (but also Conjunct Uranus...so not sure about this)...he married a nice Libra who obviously wasn't from another race or culture (ie we live in the South btw). This particular Libra also has an Aqua Moon and Virgo Mars...so my betting is that as he gets older he will find it very hard to reconcile what he finds attractive over what he see's as wife material. I played into his Venus side...but not his Moon side.

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posted February 08, 2013 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by starfairy:
Well, it totally depends on your synastry!!

I was with one guy who was almost perfect for me, actually.. His Venus was conjunct my Venus (and square my Moon), and his Mars opposed my Moon (and squared my Venus). I think it's important that neither planet feels "left out." Having strong aspects to both is very helpful.

Keep in mind, not every woman or man with this placement is a player! I know quite a few men with this placement, and they are NOT womanizers at all! But, they tell me that they feel they have to "give up" one need for another.


I couldn't have said this better myself!!! I do believe it totally depends on your synastry. If you have a TON of Venus/Mars/Sun and NO Moon chances are he is going to see you as not serious material.

In fact when looking at charts of people for synastry I like to have a few Mars aspects from the Man but I ideally like to have Pluto (Pluto is deeper than Mars) from a Man for sexual attraction, and have his Moon touching something of great importance. That is one thing we never seem to talk about here...aspects like Moon Mars are VERY hot...as is Sun Mars...but if a man can't tie you to his Moon in a positive way...chances are it won't last as his heart won't be in it. Even if you touch his Venus...you'll be his type but still there HAS to be significant Moon action to a man's Moon...I have seen it countless times with friends, and have experienced it myself.

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posted February 08, 2013 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will post my chart tomorrow cause I'm from my cell right now! First of all, I'm a girl :P My Venus is sextile Moon.. Hmm but I have exactly Venus square Pluto. I have also eros conjunct Pluto, thus square Venus too. And Vertex square Venus, conj Pluto. Pluto is in Scorpio, Venus in Aqua and my Sun in Aqua 8th house. Moon in Aries.

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posted February 08, 2013 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
I couldn't have said this better myself!!! I do believe it totally depends on your synastry. If you have a TON of Venus/Mars/Sun and NO Moon chances are he is going to see you as not serious material.

In fact when looking at charts of people for synastry I like to have a few Mars aspects from the Man but I ideally like to have Pluto (Pluto is deeper than Mars) from a Man for sexual attraction, and have his Moon touching something of great importance. That is one thing we never seem to talk about here...aspects like Moon Mars are VERY hot...as is Sun Mars...but if a man can't tie you to his Moon in a positive way...chances are it won't last as his heart won't be in it. Even if you touch his Venus...you'll be his type but still there HAS to be significant Moon action to a man's Moon...I have seen it countless times with friends, and have experienced it myself.


Totally agree!

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posted February 08, 2013 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
I couldn't have said this better myself!!! I do believe it totally depends on your synastry. If you have a TON of Venus/Mars/Sun and NO Moon chances are he is going to see you as not serious material.

In fact when looking at charts of people for synastry I like to have a few Mars aspects from the Man but I ideally like to have Pluto (Pluto is deeper than Mars) from a Man for sexual attraction, and have his Moon touching something of great importance. That is one thing we never seem to talk about here...aspects like Moon Mars are VERY hot...as is Sun Mars...but if a man can't tie you to his Moon in a positive way...chances are it won't last as his heart won't be in it. Even if you touch his Venus...you'll be his type but still there HAS to be significant Moon action to a man's Moon...I have seen it countless times with friends, and have experienced it myself.


so, do you mean the person's moon touching the man's moon? trine..sextile
or, any personal planet touching the man's moon?
like...which aspects?

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posted February 08, 2013 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hikoro:
so, do you mean the person's moon touching the man's moon? trine..sextile
or, any personal planet touching the man's moon?
like...which aspects?

Yes, like a Trine/Sextile (sometimes Conjunction...depending on their own relationship with their Moon...it will def make him stand up and notice you in the beginning as you are touching his Moon...but (if badly afflicted) in the long run it will end with him backing away due to the friction the activation will cause him. For instance a man with Moon Square Uranus would def notice someone who has things Conjunct his Moon...but chances are he'll eventually run due to the weight of the contact. A Trine or Sextile might result in the same (as harsh Moon/IC Uranus aspects can cause someone to run) however he would probably feel much more relaxed and able to commit in the long run.

Some would say to any planet is enough (like his Moon touching Jupiter...it def helps don't get me wrong)...but from what I have experienced and first hand seen MANY times is it's usually needs to be one of the big three for you to truly be marriage material. A younger man might opt for a woman who has his Moon sign as his Mars (she may or may not have anything truly compatible with him), or he might have his Mars as her Moon (again due to being younger and being motivated by sex). But as you get older the big 3 (and Saturn!!) are really what makes things last long term.

I've also noticed that Sun contacts when really wanting a long term relationship aren't actually that big of a deal. Any contact def helps and is good...but from what I have seen in my years of dating is that to truly keep a man his heart (ie Moon) has to be involved. After all a man can be sexually (Mars) and physically (Venus) attracted to anyone...but they really only let a precious few into their hearts (Moon).

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posted February 08, 2013 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The big three, as in Sun/Moon/ASC?

so, a woman has to somehow make contact with his Moon with one of her big three's and vice versa?

My parents haven been together for half a century. My dad's Sun is in Scorpio conjuncts my mom's Moon, perhaps even her ASC, if her birthtime is correct. Also, his Sun conjuncts her NN and her Saturn squares his Moon [possible 7 deg. orb]

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posted February 08, 2013 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@GrlyGirl200

thanks. now, what are the big three? im assuming that maybe this is what choc is stating: sun, moon and asc....and also, according to you, saturn. but why saturn?
wouldnt a saturn-moon connection restrict emotional displays and feelings in a couple?
going on....
what about neptune-moon contacts?

so, for example...
my moon is in taurus. his moon is in libra.
im scorpio sun, taurus rising, saturn in saggie.
he is gemini sun, capricorn rising, saturn in scorpio.
this is not enough, correct?
we have no major-good contacts with the exception of: his asc trine my moon, my saturn sextile his moon, his saturn opp. my moon, and, moon-moon quincunx.
no moon-moon trine/sextile/conjunction.

what is your opinion on moon square moon in the long-term?

i agree with you about sun connections not being everything.

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posted February 08, 2013 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
Yes, like a Trine/Sextile (sometimes Conjunction...depending on their own relationship with their Moon...it will def make him stand up and notice you in the beginning as you are touching his Moon...but (if badly afflicted) in the long run it will end with him backing away due to the friction the activation will cause him. For instance a man with Moon Square Uranus would def notice someone who has things Conjunct his Moon...but chances are he'll eventually run due to the weight of the contact. A Trine or Sextile might result in the same (as harsh Moon/IC Uranus aspects can cause someone to run) however he would probably feel much more relaxed and able to commit in the long run.

Some would say to any planet is enough (like his Moon touching Jupiter...it def helps don't get me wrong)...but from what I have experienced and first hand seen MANY times is it's usually needs to be one of the big three for you to truly be marriage material. A younger man might opt for a woman who has his Moon sign as his Mars (she may or may not have anything truly compatible with him), or he might have his Mars as her Moon (again due to being younger and being motivated by sex). But as you get older the big 3 (and Saturn!!) are really what makes things last long term.

I've also noticed that Sun contacts when really wanting a long term relationship aren't actually that big of a deal. Any contact def helps and is good...but from what I have seen in my years of dating is that to truly keep a man his heart (ie Moon) has to be involved. After all a man can be sexually (Mars) and physically (Venus) attracted to anyone...but they really only let a precious few into their hearts (Moon).


Completely agree! I am definitely sensitive to Moon and Mercury contacts more than anything in synastry.

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posted February 08, 2013 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Moon sq Mars. isn't this the Madonna /***** complex? If not, what is?


That's what I thought too

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posted February 08, 2013 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peregrine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by starfairy:
Moon square Venus

Especially in a man's chart. It apparently gives a "Madonna/w-h-o-r-e complex".


that is not exactly separating love and sex.. who is to say he doesn't love both the madonna and the wh0re!

i have the square. i do not separate but i understand the energies present y it is associated with madonna wh0re...

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