posted February 15, 2013 10:22 AM            

I also read that Lilith's aspects in synastry make for a highly-charged, highly sexual and extremely obsessive kind of a relationship, the sort of the "bunny boilers" type from the "Fatal Attraction" movie, if Lilith becomes rejected in a relationship. "Those involved will have an incredibly strong sexual attraction to one another and nothing will keep them apart. Nothing. Logic will absolutely not apply and nothing anyone tells them will have any effect on deterring the lovers unless they drag one or both of them off somewhere and lock them up until it passes." Supposedly, Richard Burton and Liz Tylor had a heavy Lilith infused relationship as well.

Like Pluto, Lilith aspects in synastry act to draw out each person’s sexuality. Lilith sex is tantric, obsessive, and highly addictive. Couples with strong Lilith in synastry have an incredibly strong sexual attraction to one another, and it is difficult to keep them apart! Logic does not apply in Lilith relationships. Indeed, Lilith is what makes a man end a 20-year marriage out of the blue. Indeed, Lilith’s reputation as a “home wrecker” is well deserved. On the plus side, she can break someone free of their safe, habitual behavior.

"The Black Moon Lilith seems to emerge from ones unconscious world, the hidden elements of ones feeling world, literally emerging from the psyche like a gust of wind perhaps. This could mean a ‘wind’ of anger, lust, guilt, or other feelings (in relation to the Lilith archetype) which may just come out by themselves. Perhaps the BML represents a form of Kundalini in a developed, higher evolutionary form of Lilith awareness?" Black Moon Lilith

How is Lilith acting in your chart, and have you had an obsessive Lilithian relationship? What were the aspects? How did it end?

posted February 15, 2013 10:46 AM            

It was an intense relationship. It was very sexual; we couldn't get enough of each other. I still think about the sex, as does he. It was the best! It was a taboo relationship, though (how appropriate for Lilith).

I've never experienced anything like it before. I broke it off with him 8 months ago, and he still calls me, telling me how much he misses me and cries (he's an Aqua btw). He says I 'haunt him'. I still miss him, too, which is strange because I usually move on quite easily. I still crave him.

posted February 15, 2013 10:56 AM            

Post the synastry wheel, please. Or mention some more aspects between yoy two. Now that the Saturn transit is over, dont you want to get back together?

posted February 15, 2013 11:27 AM            

We definitely had some strong aspects.

My Venus conjunct his venus
My venus on his South Node
His Venus conj my anti-Vertex
His Saturn/Pluto/Mars square my Venus
My Pluto squares his Venus
My Mars conj his Sun
My Mars sq his Moon, his Mars opp my Moon
His Sun is conj my Sun/Moon midpoint (My sun and Moon sextile his Sun)
My Sun/Asc/Uranus in his 7th house

The Liith aspects are keenly felt, though. I entered his life and turned it upside down, and the relationship was very taboo. I saw him for 4 years.

His Saturn squares my Venus, and you know how hard that can be to deal with. Lots of restrictions and limitations. As I mentioned before, the relationship was very taboo. I had to leave. Didn't want to. Plus, with Venus-SN connections, there isn't too much room for growth, even though there is so much chemistry.

Anyway, I always thought that our Venus-SN connection was very profound because his OWN Venus is conjunct his SN. He was super comfortable in the South Node relationship he had because of this. I, on the other hand, was not, and just had to go..

posted February 15, 2013 12:16 PM            

Yes, my relationships are always Neptunian in some way. Men stick around for years after it's over. Also, my venus is in Cap, which definitely promotes longevity! His Moon is in his 12th, so he's uber compassionate and sensitive. In composite, Pisces is on the Ascendant, and Neptune is conjunct the SN. Very karmic.

I never thought I could dump him, but then good ol' Saturn came around and squared our Venuses. I also have tons of fire and Uranus in my chart, so I know how to move on. Also, the SN can be so separative; I felt held back.

Thanks for looking at my chart, btw.

posted February 15, 2013 12:18 PM              

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Lilith is on my sun asc sun venus moon and mercury.
Thats why I'm so "haughty" lol sand
I am a man and have strong very relationships with women.
I don't think I've ever had issues with women... maybe cattiness?
I can relate to them, thats probably why.
Although I've always had weird relationships with guys.

I don't lilith is only for the ladies!

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b1tch prease!

posted February 15, 2013 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Gemini.
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Yesterday my valentine said someone that really annoyed me online before we were going to meet up. I totally cancelled. I can be sucha a biotch. I do feel bad now..

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Typical biatch!

This is what i do, too, when i am ****** off .
My Lilith is on my Sun /SouthNode/DSC.

posted February 15, 2013 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Fairy, I have a natal tight T-square of Mars/Saturn/Neptune and the missing leg is in Aqua 24' . His Lilith happens to be at 24' Aqua and completes the Tsquare to a Grand Square. We havent had sex yet because of my current situation but im pretty sure it will have sadomasohistic quality when it happens. Which is what i like.

In my natal chart, Lilith sits exactly on my cexact Sun/DSC/SouthNode. I am a notorious rebel.

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Wow, those are some very strong aspects! You certainly put him in touch with an intensely sexual side of himself. Oh, I'm sure the sex will be awesome. If this is the same guy you posted about before, I already know how strong your synastry is.. And you also mentioned there is something quite taboo/controversial about the relationship, so that explains a lot about the connection, as well. I'm wondering about your Lilith-Saturn contact, though. He may feel that you deny or limit the expression of his Lilithian qualities, perhaps?

posted February 15, 2013 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by peregrine:
^lilith in aries seems sexy. it seem to be the only awesome lilith lol! at least from readings.

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My mom is a triple Scorp w an Aries ascendant. You think we have power struggles?? Oh boy...

posted February 15, 2013 02:29 PM              

what of aspects tho..

i have:

BML sextile sun
BML trine saturn
BML square uranus

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i also oddly relate to the fears here despite being male..

Black Moon in the 5th House

Black Moon in the house of affairs, creativity, and children.
In a female chart, this position can indicate a great ambivalence as far as having children is concerned: on the one hand, extremely intense desire (but Black Moon desires are like violent and hidden passions); on the other hand repulsion and deep fears (as in fear of delivery, for instance, or fear of hating one's child). If the these unconscious or semi-unconscious issues are not resolved, they can lead to difficulties in conception.

Similar symbolism applies to creativity in general. The need for perfection can be extremely intense, making the native work hard and for long hours to realise his/her objectives. It can also become paralysing at times, as in not doing anything by fear of doing something that would not be good enough.

If a harmonious relationship to one's unconscious mind can be established, then this position can lead to an outpouring of creativity, and also to great originality (as in the non-conformist nature of the rebellious Lilith.)
http://lilith.tribe.net/thread/a8f93941-6d00-4ca9-93d1-9da000134c23

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LILITH IN ARIES often causes an extreme strive for autonomy, leading to problems in partnerships, because you are very interested in partnerships. Perhaps you are changing restlessly possible life partners without committing yourself, because there is always anything wrong with them. With flirts you are courageously, quickly and also successfully, possibly tending to one nite stands. Partnerships and sexual matters can be of uncertainty. You are fair, fighting for justice and peace.
LILITH IN TAURUS gives extraordinary love for the beauty and big emotional activity. You look for your security needs in a relationship, contacting others by flirting. With gifts and properties others can attract you, and probably you achive material security in a partnership. But you maybe get disturbed by the material dependence then, and your emotional harmony turns out of the balance.

LILITH IN GEMINI usually causes a strive for independence, particularly in intellectual areas. Perhaps you dedicate yourself to the beautiful literary arts or work in the public relations area. You have a diplomatic and psychological feeling and can entertain your fellow beings very well. Probably you tend to superficialnesses and your objectivity is limited sometimes, because you can get enticed and bounded by ideas easily. You possibly like to change your fellow beings, especially partners, if possible without their and even sometimes your own knowledge. In this position emotions can be suppressed unnoticed or converted to rationalities.

LILITH IN CANCER urges you to create domestic and family peace. You like to meet many people in your home in order to have expanded meals with them, whereby you take part in discussions very emotionally and with psychological knowledge. In family matters you are inclined not to recognize things or situations correctly, or you don't want to admit situations and circumstances because you get enticed by unrealistic opinions very easily.

LILITH IN LEO produces strong entertainment urges. Without any problems people can attract you to go to parties, where you then set yourself on stage. You also want to participate in bets and speculations, though your intuition tells you rather to leave your hands of it. You create harmony and peace, know how to flirt and to manipulate people to general well-being. You are probably well-known due to your charming character.

LILITH IN VIRGO blurrs the objectivity and lets you express criticism at wrong places perhaps. You simply don't want to commit yourself, are very orientationless regarding occupation and partnership. Other people may get confused by you, because this confusive position produces paradoxes in almost all areas of life. You perhaps tend hopelessly between commitment and autonomy urge, between social contacts and retreat. On the other hand, psychological and analytic abilities are almost unsurpassably strong, and your intuition beats everything. Unfortunately the possibility exists that you are not conscious about your abilities, or that you don't want to admit them.

LILITH IN LIBRA makes fair, diplomatically and harmony-striving. You like to flirt and manipulate your fellow beings with well-meaning intention. You permanently go into and break or let brake partnerships, because you vary between commitment and thirst for autonomy. The cause could be that you don't want to admit your wrong conceptions about fellow beings, or you don't want to see their real characters. Surely also belongs to it, that you may consider yourself completely different, contrary to the others, or that you are simply misjudged. You are of wisdom and intuition, as well as psychological ability and music love, but you may not have knowledge about it all. You wish to receive emotional loyalty from your life partner, and you want to be accepted emotionally. Probably you have very high requirements in partnerships and wish well working interpersonal relations to yourself.

LILITH IN SCORPIO may let you be enticed by sexual attractions easily, whereby you subordinate yourself to a more powerful partner or in reverse, or it comes to a mutually making the most of power. In this position the danger exists that you don't recognize these powers at all, the own or those of the others. You have to deal with setbacks, accidents and symbolic as well as real deaths, although there are usually opportunities to avoid it before any danger appears. You are maybe addicted to dangers because you want to exceed borders. Possibly you had to make experiences with death in the childhood, but can see the death as an inevitable part of the life due to your large psychological regeneration ability now.

LILITH IN SAGITTARIUS surely confronts you with the temptations of education journeys. If there is something to learn somewhere, you are quickly at place and you won't leave out a single opportunity to travel. Your contact to fellow beings is, due to your knowledge and psychological understanding, rather missionary and manipulative, but always with well-meaning intention. You are popular in a certain way because you try to apply diplomacy and fairness. At all your optimism and all the generosity you spread out, it could come to the situation that other people take advantage of you, or that you misjudge fellow beings.

LILITH IN CAPRICORN lets you hardly resist to the temptations of fame, status and power. You could bring yourself into large difficulties, because you misjudge the actual naturenesses of these characteristics, or you don't want to admit them at all. Problems in partnerships are usually resulting therefore in this position. You could tend to change your fellow beings and, in addition, to suppress their inner values completely. You look for autonomy, but perhaps won't necessarily also grant it to others.

LILITH IN AQUARIUS lets you misjudge your friends easily. Probably you have completely wrong conceptions of them or of what your friends think about you. You strive for autonomy with manipulative methods and psychological tricks, reject all too tight interpersonal relations and consider partnerships and relations rather as friendships. You surely hardly tend to commit yourself, although you want to to express any certain inner urge. Your fairness, tolerance, global thinking and humanity are noticeable, and you may argue with degenerated art or queer music styles. Though your intuitivity is remarkable, you could tend to a nonperception of the mentioned things.

posted February 15, 2013 02:32 PM              

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Originally posted by charlie:
My mom is a triple Scorp w an Aries ascendant. You think we have power struggles?? Oh boy...

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posted February 15, 2013 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by peregrine:
oh is it mommy related? gosh my mommy is a pisces same sign as my lilith.

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Don't think it's mommy related but it's just a clash of 2 "warriors".

posted February 15, 2013 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Fairy, yes, the same guy. Im sure it will be a blast. And that is the main reason i refuse to have sex with him for now. I dont want to get addicted and be out of control, that would destroy me. He would be a perfect match, thou. With my natal Mars/ Saturn/ Neptune square, I like it rough....and He has a tough Sun/Saturn/Pluto conjunction on a Scorpio ASC, conviniently falling in my 8th house.

Lilith on my Sun/ DSC has been tough for me. People do feel intimidated even when i am on my best behaviour.. Natal Mercury/Pluto exact conjunction does not help at all with it.
I have terrible temper tantrums when irritated.

About your synastry - I had my Saturn in opposition to a love's Venus a few years ago. Actually, his Venus was caught in my infamous Mars/Saturn/Neptune T-Square, his Venus opposited my Saturn, squared my Mars and conjuncted my Neptune. He was head over heels in love with me but my Saturn pushed him to the limits. No matter how much he told me he loved me, it was never enough for me, I remained cold and controlling. We broke up eventually and it was very difficult for me afterwards. Saturn person does feel the pain after the Venus person is no longer there. I can imagine how your guy felt after you left him. It's devastating!

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Wow, I'm surprised you're able to resist him. I remember you're a Virgo, so you're probably better with self-control than most people. I'm sure the sex will be very addictive. That's a huge reason I couldn't leave my guy for so long. Lilith sex is unlike any kind of sex you'll ever have. So addictive, and soooo good. It already seems like it's really difficult to keep the two of you apart, and you haven't even had sex!

Also, you two have lots of Vertex connections, as I remember, and those connections can be life changing.

posted February 15, 2013 03:33 PM            

Trine Sun and Pars Fortune(my Sun-Moon midpoint)
Opposite Moon/Eros/Psyche/Ascendant
Quincunx Venus

When researching couples who were "mad about one another" and synastry wise appearing as soulmates, Eros conjunct BML appears the most frequent planetary wise Mercury-BML aspects.

"Black Moon Lilith is not about any of the above. Her bad reputation may have come about because of her electric magnetism, psychic abilities and power to mesmerize. Obviously, these gifts are wonderful unless they are used for manipulation, mind control and promoting evil deeds. But in herself, she is not “evil.” However, she is bewitching.

Lastly, of course, she is highly sexual. Her sexuality is not primarily used for procreation, which for some religions is deemed as sinful. So, its power can be used for spiritual enlightenment and finding the god/goddess within. This is very threatening for Western religions that place Godliness outside the human body and Mother Earth. This is how Lilith became demonized.

Black Moon Lilith
Harmonious Lilith aspects between partners will show how you can bring magic into each other’s life. Like a good Mars/Venus connection, it will show how Tantric your sexual relations could be. It also shows how magnetically attracted you are to each other – the all important chemistry. Hard aspects to the personal planets may show an irresistible, obsessive attraction, the sort that hypnotizes you into abandoning your more regular Moon/domestic commitments. Hence, her reputation as a “bunny boiler.” On the other hand, she can break the spell of entrenched habitual behavior.

Therefore, synastry connections with Black Moon Lilith show where you feel this magic and how it plays out. Double whammys (for example, your Lilith aspects their Sun and their Lilith aspects your Sun) are great because they give each partner the opportunity to be “The Lilith,” and that makes them the most powerful of all.

Black Moon Lilith/Sun aspects
Harmonious: The Sun partner will flood the Lilith partner with magical sunbeams, amping up their power. The Lilith partner will inspire creativity in the Sun partner, making them feel like a King or Queen.
Stressful: The Sun partner will feel their ego undermined by a manipulative Lilith. Lilith could feel dominated and crushed by a bossy Sun and respond by attempting to darken their light.

Black Moon Lilith/Moon aspects
Harmonious: The Moon partner will resonate with the Lilith’s nocturnal magical world, inspiring dreams and heightening their intuition. The Lilith partner will shake the Moon out of bad habits and inspire them to focus on their own magic and not let them get bogged down by domesticity.
Stressful: The Moon partner could smother Lilith’s sexuality and want to tame their animal magnetism. Lilith could manipulate the Moon partner emotionally and tempt them away from domestic responsibilities.

Black Moon Lilith/Mercury aspects
Harmonious: The Mercury partner can inspire magic words and poetry from the Lilith partner. The Lilith partner can read the Mercury partner’s mind. Together, they can amplify each other’s psychic abilities and turn each other on with words.
Stressful: The Mercury person could use logic to demean the Lilith person’s intuitive reasoning. The Lilith partner could penetrate and brainwash the Mercury person’s mind.

Black Moon Lilith/Venus aspects
Harmonious: The Venus partner will give pure love to Lilith’s raw sexuality, refining to its highest vibration. The Lilith partner can ignite a fire in the Venus partner and push their love to tantric ecstasy.
Stressful: The Venus partner could feel overwhelmed and threatened by the Lilith partner’s powerful sexuality. The Lilith partner may feel trapped by Venusian materialism and be unimpressed by the Venus partner’s weakness for surface beauty and bling!

Black Moon Lilith/Mars aspects
Harmonious The Mars partner will be firing on all cylinders from the Lilith’s partners sexual enthusiasm, a recipe for releasing the Kundalini if ever there was one. The Lilith partner will be constantly “on heat” from their ardent Mars partner.
Stressful: The negative side of this contact is if the aspect is not played out sexually. The Mars partner’s rage will be ignited by the Lilith partner, resulting in possible violence or verbal abuse. The Lilith partner’s frustration and sexual jealousy could result in Lilith psychically attacking and directing too much energy toward the Mars partner, draining their own creativity. If played out sexually, it is one that could enflame fiercely, then burn out.

Black Moon Lilith/Jupiter aspects
Harmonious: The Jupiter partner will feel spiritualized and uplifted by the Lilith partner. The Lilith partner will feel their magic expanded by the enthusiastic Jupiter partner, and in return will worship them as a God or Goddess!
Stressful: The Jupiter partner may feel constricted by the Lilith partner’s sexual demands. The Lilith partner may feel the Jupiter partner overly judgmental of their wild and less than ecclesiastical behaviour.

Black Moon Lilith/Saturn aspects
Harmonious: The Saturn partner feels poetic, loosens up and inspired to break the rules when the Lilith partner waves their magic wand. The Lilith partner crystallizes their magic into solid form, thanks to Saturn’s discipline.
Stressful: The Saturn partner could put the Lilith partner’s sexuality on a leash, constricting them too tightly and thereby trapping their creativity. The Lilith partner may enjoy teasing and tempting the Saturn partner out of their responsibilities – and seducing them away from their work.

About the Author
Marina Caruso is an Astrologer and Illustrator. Her work is inspired by symbolism, synchro-mysticism, myths, the fixed stars and constellations, pop culture, psychology and Lilith. Learn more about her at Funkastrology." http://sasstrology.com/2010/03/black-moon-lilith-in-synastry.html

Another article
The original reason I brought up BML in synastry: http://erosastrology.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=syn&action=display&thread=329
“…We all have Lilith’s plutonic quality in us, the unconscious energy that brings up harsh boundaries between life and death, ecstasy and suffering, passion and revulsion, enslavement and freedom. How do we honor Lilith in our lives? Do we exile her from consciousness or build her a sanctuary for potent, creative expression? When she contacts Eros in another, the answer to that question is found in the heart of a powerfully erotic relationship.

Eros wants intense encounters that lead to lasting transformation. His touch is all at once sexual, creative and spiritual. Lilith brings up deep and primal sexual energy sometimes accompanied by feelings of anger and rage. She is deeply alluring and irresistible. Eros is looking for his equal to explore the realm of creative intimacy. Lilith desires sacred sex above all things.

In the rare instance where these two do meet, the results are truly awe inspiring, changing our lives in intense and lasting ways. How we respond to this synastry contact has a lot to do with our own relationship to power and sexuality. It "wakes up” those areas inside of us and causes us to express them sexually, free from the restrictions of reality.

Since both Eros and Lilith are isolated energies buried deep in the unconcious, the erotic transformation which takes place upon their meeting is deep with raw and intuitive spiritual potency. Their capacity for intimacy and shared desire to melt into the fires of transformation is nothing short of total risk, which each are compelled to take- no questions asked. As a result, this aspect can feel like opening a can of worms that literally fly, not crawl, out of the unconscious.