posted March 03, 2013 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Didn't know our goal was to convince the OP.

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posted March 03, 2013 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
I think this is highly subjective. Personally, I cannot wait for the other missing 2 planets to come forth and stabilize this *mystery* because for the time being, I am really bothered by the fact that it has no balance and symmetry and it makes little sense mathematically. It is something I struggle with, in my faith with astrology, this imperfection really irks me as I know the Universe could not have been so careless. It creates unbalance to have 2 signs sharing the same ruler (Taurus-Libra and Gemini-Virgo)

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I use Ceres for Virgo and Eris for Libra. When Pluto was reclassified as a dwarf planet, both Ceres and Eris fell into that category too (effectively promoting them to planets). Because Eris is such a new planet it is difficult to argue for her rulership of Libra, but Ceres fits Virgo very well. I have been circling the idea of posting my experiences with the Eris/Libra relationship so far, but Eris is a very complex and existential energy. That post would take a while to write and be a bit tl;dr.

If she were Libra's ruler, she would expose a side of Libra people don't tend to consider (the heavier/subconscious reasons for why Libra is fixated with balance, relating, and attractiveness). Like Pluto, Eris gets a bad reputation before she has a chance to actually introduce herself. That results in people often discounting her as the ruler of such an apparently "light" sign. Consider though, that Gemini has his Evil Twin and Aquarius has his Mad Scientist/Snow Queen, but Libra so elegantly dances around being associated with the darker parts of the mind. It's not because he lacks access to it.

posted March 03, 2013 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
I think this is highly subjective. Personally, I cannot wait for the other missing 2 planets to come forth and stabilize this *mystery* because for the time being, I am really bothered by the fact that it has no balance and symmetry and it makes little sense mathematically. It is something I struggle with, in my faith with astrology, this imperfection really irks me as I know the Universe could not have been so careless. It creates unbalance to have 2 signs sharing the same ruler (Taurus-Libra and Gemini-Virgo), just as it does to have 3 signs with modern rulers AND a possible co-ruler. I have, for a while, been taken with Carl Payne Tobey's theory, but it was so different than everything I knew traditionally that I guess in the end I rejected it, though it made perfect mathematical sense. I think, in a way, the way we are used to see and think about things influences our perception of said Aquariuses, Pisces and so on. We're still very much pre-programmed.

Personally I tend to disregard corulers except for horary where I still use the traditional rulers. I look forward to the day when the higher octaves of Jupiter and Saturn will be discovered and all this confusion settled. Hope to live to see it.

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posted March 03, 2013 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Didn't know our goal was to [b]convince the OP.[/B]

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What're you talking about. Obviously I want to see solid reasoning behind people's opinions. That's what'll help convince me one way or the other. Instead of saying convince would you like me to use "become sure of my opinion?" Oh I'm sorry, does my choice of words bother you, you poor sensitive little dear......

The reason I made the thread is to explore different possibilities/theories/opinions, and the end goal is for people's input to help me become more sure of things one way or the other.

posted March 03, 2013 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
What're you talking about. Obviously I want to see solid reasoning behind people's opinions. That's what'll help convince me one way or the other. Instead of saying convince would you like me to use "become sure of my opinion?" Oh I'm sorry, does my choice of words bother you, you poor sensitive little dear......

The reason I made the thread is to explore different possibilities/theories/opinions, and the end goal is for people's input to help me become more sure of things one way or the other.

Sorry, next time I'll be more sensitive in my choice of words so that you don't feel you have to *convince* me of anything. *Scoffs*

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posted March 03, 2013 07:07 PM              

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I use Ceres for Virgo and Eris for Libra. When Pluto was reclassified as a dwarf planet, both Ceres and Eris fell into that category too (effectively promoting them to planets). Because Eris is such a new planet it is difficult to argue for her rulership of Libra, but Ceres fits Virgo very well. I have been circling the idea of posting my experiences with the Eris/Libra relationship so far, but Eris is a very complex and existential energy. That post would take a while to write and be a bit tl;dr.

If she were Libra's ruler, she would expose a side of Libra people don't tend to consider (the heavier/subconscious reasons for why Libra is fixated with balance, relating, and attractiveness). Like Pluto, Eris gets a bad reputation before she has a chance to actually introduce herself. That results in people often discounting her as the ruler of such an apparently "light" sign. Consider though, that Gemini has his Evil Twin and Aquarius has his Mad Scientist/Snow Queen, but Libra so elegantly dances around being associated with the darker parts of the mind. It's not because he lacks access to it.

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THISSSS I agree with everything here.
Xiiro I've read about eris/libra rulership but can you give me your elaborate on it more please? I'm interested in your own theory.
Sorry if you find that annoying, but I'm very fascinated with eris.

posted March 04, 2013 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I use Ceres for Virgo and Eris for Libra. When Pluto was reclassified as a dwarf planet, both Ceres and Eris fell into that category too (effectively promoting them to planets). Because Eris is such a new planet it is difficult to argue for her rulership of Libra, but Ceres fits Virgo very well. I have been circling the idea of posting my experiences with the Eris/Libra relationship so far, but Eris is a very complex and existential energy. That post would take a while to write and be a bit tl;dr.

If she were Libra's ruler, she would expose a side of Libra people don't tend to consider (the heavier/subconscious reasons for why Libra is fixated with balance, relating, and attractiveness). Like Pluto, Eris gets a bad reputation before she has a chance to actually introduce herself. That results in people often discounting her as the ruler of such an apparently "light" sign. Consider though, that Gemini has his Evil Twin and Aquarius has his Mad Scientist/Snow Queen, but Libra so elegantly dances around being associated with the darker parts of the mind. It's not because he lacks access to it.

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posted March 04, 2013 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Perhaps astrology is symmetrical and mathematical, just not the way we'd like it to be.

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posted March 04, 2013 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
THISSSS I agree with everything here.
Xiiro I've read about eris/libra rulership but can you give me your elaborate on it more please? I'm interested in your own theory.
Sorry if you find that annoying, but I'm very fascinated with eris.

At least answer this question :3..
I have eris conjunct mars. I find it hard to "fight" with others, I'm so focused on harmonizing with everyone. I can be a lot more direct on the anonymous level.
Sometimes i feel like my mars is in libra. Although I do have that arian fire power.

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Okay, I’ll attempt a super-summary of how I feel Eris is a fitting candidate for ruler of Libra. Here is at least one of the arguments.

Eris (aka Discordia [hearts apart]), is the goddess of chaos and it is stated in an old story, she inspires individuals to improve their selves through comparison to others. Being Libra’s ruler would pose the argument that Libra seeks harmony because it has a fundamental understanding of disharmony or disconnection. As ruler of the 7th House I feel this makes sense.

The DSC is popular for being the House of Relationships. Some people don’t realize that includes ALL relationships, good and bad, harmonious and disharmonious. The ASC represents our Self-Image or projected self-expression, the IC represents our personal space and foundations, the MC represents our public space and foundations, and the DSC represents our Other-Image or what we expect/want to see when we interact with “Not Self”.

The reason I mention the DSC is because ASC/DSC is a dualistic perspective. Without both, neither could exist. Perhaps a better explanation would be, “If nothing external existed, the self would have nothing to compare its self to. Without a point of reference the self is indescribable”. In the path of the zodiac, Libra/7H/Sunset/Autumn is the moment when established/objectified/self-developing energies give way to subjective consideration. We see this happen in nature every day. When the Sun is out, the world is apparent, object filled, and well contained between the green grass and the blue sky. When night comes, things become hidden and we must extend our senses outward. The sky becomes transparent and we are faced with our own insignificance, under the vast depth of a universe beyond our known home.

I feel this is one of the ways Eris manifests in Libra, as a fundamental feeling of separation or disconnection. This results in a longing to reach out and connect with external objects. It may sound depressing, but it also makes Libra a champion of their own style and instills them with a desire to experience the unique style of other separate objects. There is a lot more but I’ll save that for the thread.

The negative(ish) side of Eris ruling Libra would manifest as ruin through ignorance, sewing drama among others, social manipulation, pushing the first domino and believing because they never touched the other dominoes the mess is not their fault, projecting an image to produce specific social results, and avoiding disharmony even at the cost of destructive results, etc...

I have Eris conjunct SN/ASC in the 12H. Inside I feel fundamentally alone and separate from others. It’s as if I was born on another planet. Whenever I turn inward, the feeling is very strong. When I was younger I always wanted to feel part of something with others, but even my family feel like strangers. As I get older I start to see it as a way to develop my own style and life, which turns into a way I can relate and integrate with others. Being opposed my NN/DSC it’s important I find that voice and share it with others. Otherwise I am tempted to retreat into solitude and isolate myself from the world.

Conjunct Mars, I get this image of an astronaut orbiting earth in an abandoned ship. Taking care of his daily needs and doing whatever he has to do to survive, but his only connection to Earth is a radio and the view outside his window. There could be a need to keep things harmonious with others because the prospect of losing contact is more frightening. I can’t really comment well without seeing your chart. It’s also not all gloom either. Eris/Mars could inspire you to great effort in connecting with others. You could cherish connections with others as very valuable. It could result in a strong sense of individuality self-worth.

Keep in mind Eris in Aries would be in detriment, so the sense of disconnectedness will be a lot less graceful with our generation. Fundamentally Eris is the force in the universe (within us all) that sees "other" as a collective and "self" as an individual. The list of things which arise out of that construct is long.

This doesn’t do the whole picture much justice, there is a lot more. A whole spiritual lesson to why discord is essential to our life experience, the oddly uncanny connections Eris has to Venus, the way Eris manifests in Taurus as a sub-ruler, and the neat way our solar system can be classified when Eris and Ceres are included.

posted April 24, 2016 11:42 PM            

So in my opinion:

posted April 25, 2016 12:04 AM            

Plus, Aquarius is the opposite of Leo. Leo season is the hottest time of the year, Aquarius season is the coldest. While the Sun rules Leo, it's in detriment in Aquarius. It's said that Aquarius season is the most depressive time of the year, there is also a very interesting topic about this: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/224824.html

posted April 25, 2016 05:22 PM            

Jupiter = blue
Neptune = saturated blue
both relate to Pisces and Sagittarius

Saturn = green
Uranus = saturated green
both relate to Aquarius and Capricorn

Mars = red
Pluto = saturated red
both relate to Scorpio and Aries