posted March 16, 2013 04:54 PM            

Probably as relevant as the afflicted Neptune is that seesaw configuration, involving every planet but Neptune.

posted March 16, 2013 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I think all planets have a destructive side.
Nature its self is very destructive and cruel.
Venus can make people very tyrannical.
Hitler was a great example of a Venusian gone wrong.

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^ this

posted March 17, 2013 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I have my natal Neptune square closely my ASC, Sun, Mars, Nodes, opposites Saturn and trines Mercury and Pluto. All this in orb of 4 degrees or less. Neptune is also my chart ruler ( Pisces asc).

I am pretty fine, rarely depressed ( Jupiter trines tightly my Sun and ASC), dont like ro deceive others ( Virgo Sun & Mercury) , I'm difficult to deceive ( Mercury/Pluto conjunction) and I'm moving steadily forward in my professional field. Si far, so good.

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posted March 17, 2013 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:

Probably as relevant as the afflicted Neptune is that seesaw configuration, involving every planet but Neptune.

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Actually, in his chart that's what makes Neptune more important than the rest - makes it the hart of that chart, since it tunnels all the energy from the other planets.

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
^ this

I understand the OP is just pointing out the fact that people tend to ignore Neptune's negative side, because it so naturally slips past the radar. The part of the OP I am having difficulty grasping is the conclusion of Neptune's being a mental planet. I have always experienced Neptune as an emotionally driven force. Additionally suicide can be a culmination of several factors and though associated with Neptune, suicide can be the result of a restless Uranus, a thrill seeking Mars, an overly critical Saturn, etc. Neptune may come up with the idea that escape is a good plan, but the tension which leads to that conclusion often comes from other sources. Neptune's just trying to help out lol.

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I agree that - all planets have a destructive side. Was just point out "the slippery one" - whom is mostly seen as positive... and can't deny that either (the positive side to Neptune) - it's very important for humanity, for some - more than for others... and i guess i am such person (as many others - i've been trough times where Neptune was my only sanctuary).

Same as Pluto and Uranus - "Neptune is a transpersonal planet" and as I mentioned in my previous post "Neptune is linked to our subconscious and it manifest trough our mind..." but, as you know - the planet representative for the mind is Mercury and - Mercury can work without Neptune, but Neptune can't work without Mercury (can't work on its own) - if you've experienced Neptune as an "emotionally driven force" - that's Neptune interacting with your Moon and Mercury - if you experience Neptune as a spiritual driven force - that's Neptune interacting with your Sun and Mercury.

There is an act of suicide that's culminated by Mars, Uranus and Neptune (the Martyr - a self-sacrifice like self-immolation) - but even the ones culminated by Mars and Pluto, or Mars and Uranus alone - are "outcomes to a heavy emphasis with Mercury, Moon, Venus and Saturn while being diluted trough Neptune". Neptune is the elusive part of this mix (Neptune based delusion and substances), which works both on a interior level (dabbling with delusional stuff inside your head) and exterior (hiding the pain)... unless they chose to share their thoughts. In times like those "Neptune doesn't help" - quite the opposite, keeping that person away from seclusion (the perfect condition for Neptune to settle in) - and in contact with a "real" person - someone that understands them and shows understanding - is what really helps... On a psychiatric level - drugs that block the Neptunian influences have also been proven useful, but that's just a temporary solution (which sometimes implies side effects) - yet, the company of a real person like the one described above can be really helpful (either a real friend or a good psychologist).

Death is rarely the outcome of suicide, there are other Neptunian ways that are more common - which can lead to a similar result like: smoking -> cancer, drug abuse -> overdue, alcohol -> some type of accident while being drunk, dabbling with imagination at an early age and attempting to fly, sleepwalking -> in the wrong place and so on... As history thought us - many rulers had a first for blood and conquering nations cause "they had a vision of greatness"... where Neptune is just one of the main pieces of the puzzle - Napoleon for example, had his Sun in MC house/Leo while Neptune was in Conjunction with Virgo in MC. I call it elusive - cause it's slippery, sometimes paired with another planet in a certain House/Sign (Amy Winehouse's was in conjunction with the Moon in House 7 - squering the Sun and Mercury, trining Mars and Venus), other times alone in a prominent position as was the case with Marlin Monroe - she had Neptune in Leo Conjunct ASC... while Uranus was in conjunction with Mars in House 8/Pisces.

In situations as above... it fits well being described as a "contract with the devil" - cause it's very tempting... but same as the stories that revolve around such contracts... those are just temporary illusion - with "possible" disastrous outcomes, which can't be foreseen while being blindfolded by Neptunian influences - thus "the elusive evil". Hypnosis is truly a neptunian trait - and some wolfs in sheep clothing "where gifted with this power (as was the case of Hitler)".

With this topic - was just trying to point out the part about Neptune which is usually ignored or treated lightly - "its destructive side"... cause same as the other Planets, it has good sides as well( obviously)- beneficial powers like: imagination, healing medicine (both physical and physical or psychological), art expression of all kinds... well, here's a list with which tries to sum-up all the Neptunium powers:
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/neptunepower.html

^^