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7thGuardian
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posted March 16, 2013 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When i started dabbling with astrology, Saturn and Pluto kept being mention as the usual culprits for sorrow and pain - but while getting deeper in to astrology, i came to realize that - the biggest evil of all can be Neptune... a Elusive Evil. Most like to see only the bright side of Neptune - the escapist side, but that's just an illusion - a "contract with the devil (if you will)" - a temporary relief that amplifies afterwards... and that's just the individual perspective. The biggest tyrants of this world - were influenced by Neptune - they all had visions of greatness which made them abuse their power... "they had a dream... which turned in to nightmare both for the enemy and their people". Hitler had such dream - he had the mind of a great writer (Neptune conjunct Pluto in Gemini)... which makes him a very good example of what it means to "use that power to write history instead of writing a great book..."

Here's just some example of great authors with Neptune conj. Pluto in Gemini like - William Faulkner, William Shakespeare, J. R. R. Tolkien ... whom were and still are - truly among the greatest of their kind... and if you take in consideration their work "you might see some similarities in their writing style (J. R. R. Tolkien was greatly influenced by Hitler's "work")... yet, they were different people - who made different choices.

Neptune is linked to our subconscious and it manifest trough our mind... when we use our imagination, when we dream, when we have a vision or dabble with nostalgic or melancholic moments, depression - or other type of mental disorders (that's how anti-depressive work - they suppress our link to Neptune). Nobody suicides all of a sudden - that's a contemplated act, that's highly influenced by Neptune... it's Pluto (instinctual drive) who pulls the plug - that's true, but in psychology - the act of suicide is seen as "the final psychological defense mechanism" - a final act of kindness... at a point when the struggle feels unbearable - either physical - like some terminal illness or emotional - the kind where Neptune fills all the blanks... even with illusions unrelated to the future or reality. It's understandable if we're to talk about an unbearable terminal illness... yet - there's still hope for the one... unless "there's to much Neptune influence" as was the case with David Foster Wallace:


...as for the rest - loneliness is their biggest enemy... a person who dabbles with such thoughts in loneliness (having only Neptune at his side).


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posted March 16, 2013 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune touches almost all my personal planets

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posted March 16, 2013 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Neptune touches almost all my personal planets

I hope it's not Squares or oppositions! O_O!

...nah, it can't be that bad (not even close) - i know you enough to say that much... would have felt it - if it was critical... unless you're on meds. O_O

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posted March 16, 2013 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
I hope it's not Squares or oppositions! O_O!

neptune trine sun,mercury,venus and saturn.....hmmm....square mars...semisq AC...do you think am evil?

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posted March 16, 2013 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
neptune trine sun,mercury,venus and saturn.....hmmm....square mars...semisq AC...do you think am evil?

^^! ...you misunderstood, it's not about you being Evil - while being influenced by Neptune... it's about "Neptune - being a Elusive Evil" - which many whom are in to astrology - tend to ignore... while concentrating mainly on Pluto and Saturn as a source of sorrow. In your case, the Neptunian flow - is actually quite positive (trines - imply a good flow) - that flow can be helpful not "damaging" - as it's the case with Squares and Oppositions.

There are many - who'd love to have your Neptunian influences... from this point of view - you're one of the lucky ones.

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posted March 16, 2013 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
^^! ...you misunderstood, it's not about you being Evil - while being influenced by Neptune... it's about "Neptune - being a Elusive Evil" - which many whom are in to astrology - tend to ignore... while concentrating mainly on Pluto and Saturn as a source of sorrow. In your case, the Neptunian flow - is actually quite positive (trines - imply a good flow) - that flow can be helpful not "damaging" - as it's the case with Squares and Oppositions.

There are many - who'd love to have your Neptunian influences... from this point of view - you're one of the lucky ones.


Actually I was messing with you If there was ammessingwithya font, I would have used it

^^ So trines are nice? but what about the semisq on my AC and sq with mars exact? how do they play out?

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posted March 16, 2013 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune negatively expressed = drugs, escapist tendencies that prevent you from dealing with life in a responsible manner. Also, seeing things as you wish them to be, "rose-coloured glasses" syndrome. The martyr, the victim. Failing to take responsibility for one's actions.

Do you have any crippling addictions? Lack of direction in life; an unclear sense of self? Too idealistic? and so on. These are all possible manifestations of Neptune.

The square to Mars could make your actions ineffective, loose morals, not sure where you're going, deceiving others or being deceived or taken advantage of, etc.


On the positive, Neptune can bring spirituality, awareness, actions with purpose, creative actions, inspiration, the willingness to do Good, helpful and compassionate soul, etc.


Obviously trines are more helpful and should make it easier for you to express the higher expression of Neptune.

But still, it can be easy to "slip" and fall into negative patterns.

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neptune is a malefic planet no?

some pisces do hint of sadness which my taurus sun just ignores.

i have a yod to it. betwixt moon and chiron.

moon inconjunct neptune is probably quite bad for an aspect without the yod.

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posted March 16, 2013 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Neptune negatively expressed = drugs, escapist tendencies that prevent you from dealing with life in a responsible manner. Also, seeing things as you wish them to be, "rose-coloured glasses" syndrome. The martyr, the victim. Failing to take responsibility for one's actions.

Do you have any crippling addictions? Lack of direction in life; an unclear sense of self? Too idealistic? and so on. These are all possible manifestations of Neptune.

The square to Mars could make your actions ineffective, loose morals, not sure where you're going, deceiving others or being deceived or taken advantage of, etc.


On the positive, Neptune can bring spirituality, awareness, actions with purpose, creative actions, inspiration, the willingness to do Good, helpful and compassionate soul, etc.


Obviously trines are more helpful and should make it easier for you to express the higher expression of Neptune.

But still, it can be easy to "slip" and fall into negative patterns.


hmmm TBH nope, I never had real issues with my neptune. I only recently noticed the sq with my mars lol. I guess I must be having the positive side..although sometimes I'm not that much in touch with my true feelings in certain circumstances,like when I don't want to upset someone I care about,I can get confused with my own feelings...difficult to explain that part...

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posted March 16, 2013 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sand, yeah Neptune is a malefic in my agenda It can be beautiful, but without some strong Saturn in there, can easily lead to disillusion / disappointment.


Jessica,

well that's good for you then!
Keep it that way.

Also, if the Neptune / Mars square is wide, that may be why you don't feel it much.
Or maybe you're artistic and you channel the energy into creative pursuits!

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posted March 16, 2013 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ doux, hmmm...no, its mars sq neptune exact, but I have saturn contacts to all my personal planets,and he is my chart ruler, like I like to say am a Saturn-Baby

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posted March 16, 2013 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Actually I was messing with you If there was ammessingwithya font, I would have used it

^^ So trines are nice? but what about the semisq on my AC and sq with mars exact? how do they play out?


As mentioned above - Neptune can imply escapades and if we're talking about Neptune and Mars - we can talk about sexual escapades... but also spiritual ones - depends on House - and if i remember correctly you have Mars in House 8 - so that's definitively more sexual of nature. Now.. with Squares - we can talk about an obsession - where we're dealing with a blockage (there's an obstruction in the flow between Neptune and Mars). At work - for example... if you find somebody sexually attractive - you can have a strong urge or sexual fantasies about him... and you might give in and flirt with him "while going with the flow (the obsession)..." - yet, once you draw his attention and get to the point where you're about to do it with him.. "the blockage" kicks in - and you start to feel uncomfortable about it and don't want to do it anymore - a position that can be dangerous "with some men" in terms of sexual abuse. If you can work alone... that could be really helpful (even recommended) for this placement...

As for the Semisquare between Neptune and the ASC - depends how tight is the orb (in terms of prominence)... but usually implies an obsession (being stressed about something) - and in this case we can talk about an obsession related to the way you're perceived by others (self deception) - but also a tendency in going with the flow when it comes to alcohol or substance abuse... a dangerous position for a bad entourage - avoiding drugs is strongly recommended - and same goes for alcohol... makes you more sensible (I'd stick to cocktails with this one) - more easy to get drunk... which can a bad combination paired with Mars Square Neptune.

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posted March 16, 2013 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^^ doux, hmmm...no, its mars sq neptune exact, but I have saturn contacts to all my personal planets,and he is my chart ruler, like I like to say am a Saturn-Baby

That's actually a good thing... Saturn can help with self-control.

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posted March 16, 2013 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ I have mars in virgo H8...hmmm my boss is male but I don't like him much so NO FREAKING WAY am having sexual fantasies about him...hmm yeah, am prone to having sexual fantasies on the guys I'm emotionally attached, although I know I will not act on them

The semisq on my AC is at 1 degree, pretty tight...thing is I never get drunk...like NEVER...am more lucid when I drink, everything is clearer,I see people for what they truly are..it's almost weird..

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posted March 16, 2013 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mentioned "David Foster Wallace" above and added his chart - as an example of what it means to deal with a prominent Neptune that's negatively aspected:

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Wallace committed suicide by hanging himself on September 12, 2008.In an interview with The New York Times, Wallace's father reported that Wallace had suffered from depression for more than 20 years and that antidepressant medication had allowed him to be productive. When he experienced severe side effects from the medication, Wallace attempted to wean himself from his primary antidepressant, phenelzine. On his doctor's advice, Wallace stopped taking the medication in June 2007, and the depression returned. Wallace received other treatments, including electroconvulsive therapy. When he returned to phenelzine, he found it had lost its effectiveness. In the months before his death, his depression became severe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Foster_Wallace

As you cans see above, he was a great writer - but his works was definitely not a "cheerful one" - and you can take one of his greatest works as example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Jest

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Infinite Jest is a 1996 novel by David Foster Wallace. The lengthy and complex work takes place in a semi-parodic future version of North America, and touches on tennis, substance addiction recovery programs, depression, child abuse, family relationships, advertising, popular entertainment, film theory, and Quebec separatism, among other topics.

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posted March 16, 2013 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@7thguardian

How would you say a semisq from neptune on the AC affects the appearance? Do I give off a sexual vibe?

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posted March 16, 2013 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^^ I have mars in virgo H8...hmmm my boss is male but I don't like him much so NO FREAKING WAY am having sexual fantasies about him...hmm yeah, am prone to having sexual fantasies on the guys I'm emotionally attached, although I know I will not act on them

The semisq on my AC is at 1 degree, pretty tight...thing is I never get drunk...like NEVER...am more lucid when I drink, everything is clearer,I see people for what they truly are..it's almost weird..


...hmm, guess Saturn is really prominent in your chart ^^ an aspect alone is never enough to define you, there always more things to take in to account...

Personalty... I'm not much of a drinker - so i have kinda low resistance to alcohol, though - i never loose conscience... i always remember anything that happened and even though - i tend to full-around while being drunk (acting childish if you will) - i always have a hand on the brake - being quite lucid of the surrounding and what's going on (i never loose myself completely - just as much as i allow it). ^^

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posted March 16, 2013 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ yes, am Saturnian all the way

when I was younger, I can hang out with my peers who were into booze,smoking, clubbing madly, and I would be the more lucid person around, holding off on the smoking part cause I really can't stand smoking. I can have 10-15 shots of tequila without losing it.Seriously, am amazed at just how much alcohol I can tolerate lol.But I'm not addicted to this kind of life at all.

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posted March 16, 2013 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@7thguardian

How would you say a semisq from neptune on the AC affects the appearance? Do I give off a sexual vibe?


...as mentioned above - just an aspect alone is not enough, normally a conjunction or a trine between Neptune and ASC can make you a bit mesmerizing - but also gives the impression that you're hiding something... with a semisquare - we're talking about a stressful aspect - which can draw more attention to the "hiding something part" - even if you aren't... some authority - like the police "might check you at a control point" ...just in case (something is fishy about this one ^^)... yet, who knows - maybe Saturn helps with controlling this aspect - maybe as a child you had more problems with above description.

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posted March 16, 2013 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune in square or opposition aspect can definitely dissolve whatever it touches, leaving someone very tired, numb and disillusioned.

The harsh aspects between Saturn and Neptune, especially in contact to Moon or even Mercury, are sometimes referred to as "depression"-prone, and I certainly can see that.

However I have not observed the same with conjunction, sextile or trine.

But the harsh aspects *can* be insidious, and the most insidious thing is that most of the times you don´t even know what is going on.

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posted March 16, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ ah okay, I just wanted to know how that works on the AC...nope, not really, when I was a child, I can go unnoticed almost everywhere I go, am cap rising, so awkward childhood...I think neptune trine my chart ruler saturn helps a lot Gosh I really feel a special love for my saturn

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posted March 16, 2013 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I can have 10-15 shots of tequila without losing it.


... that's... like a bottle of Tequila (around 700+ ml) - I'd be in a comma with half of that (if not less) and probably dead with 15 shots... O_O!

...then again - i don't even do shots... i take my time even with that ...normally, i'm an introvert but alcohol (Neptune) turns me... makes me Extroverted. ^^

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posted March 16, 2013 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ I know

I'm the Tequila Queen...that was when I was in college

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posted March 16, 2013 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^^ ah okay, I just wanted to know how that works on the AC...nope, not really, when I was a child, I can go unnoticed almost everywhere I go, am cap rising, so awkward childhood...I think neptune trine my chart ruler saturn helps a lot Gosh I really feel a special love for my saturn


I have Neptune conjunct my ASC. Yes, I could literally become invisible if I wanted to.


What I wrote about actually mainly refers to transits or synastric aspects, not natal ones necessarily. Also a conjunction is different from all other aspect anyways. Actually it is not even an aspect (to aspect means "to look at" - in a conjunction two energies are getting fused).

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posted March 16, 2013 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^^ I know

I'm the Tequila Queen...that was when I was in college


I see... "the force is strong with this one" ^^

Wish I'd have half your resistance... for a man - can be a bit embarrassing having such low resistance... yet - till Saturn Return - i haven't dabbled much with alcohol... and guess - i never will to that extent.

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