posted April 06, 2013 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Cherri:
When I first saw the picture of her above, I immediately thought of a girl I know (she's an ex-friend) who looks very similar.

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posted April 06, 2013 12:45 PM            

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But I have Moon in Pisces so I just couldn't relate to her jealous, cold vengeful personality so for my own sanity, I just had to "lose touch" with her.
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posted April 06, 2013 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbee:
BUT, since she had her baby she has changed, done a 360! She is jealous of anything my son does for the baby. If he buys her a better gift she sniff, "You had to out do me, didn't you?" And then, she will hide that gift so my gdaughter doesn't see it or play with it. She is jealous of her daughter's affections for her daddy. .

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Wow, this is exactly how my ex-friend is. With everyone, though. She even admits that she is very competitive. She won't try to hide that. With her siblings now, she will go out and get the biggest TV (she was up to 56" flat screen) and then will compare with her siblings.

She has blatantly tried to flaunt things in my face, thinking that I would be jealous of her. "Outdoing" others is her way of life!

That is another reason why I needed to get away from her. She would come to our house, scan the property and inside, note what decorative changes I've made, then go home and change up her own house - to out do me!

And you know, I could tell that is what she was doing. To me, it was so obvious. When she lost weight, she would flaunt it in my face as if doing so would make me want her body type or something, ewwwww it was weird. She'd ask me what size jeans I was and that if I'm a size 4 like she was, I could have her "old" jeans because she's not fitting into her size fours anymore...oh lord, give it up, lol!

Anyway, I am very sorry for what you are going through with your DIL and son. It is a shame and it seems that she has tunnel vision about this divorce. It also seems like she has been planning it for a while. There are different types of Scorpios and those who lean toward the jealous, vengeful type have patience in plotting something, waiting for the best time to strike, then injecting the poison.

I just hope your son is able to not be a doormat for someone like this. As a fellow Pisces Moon (as well as most of my life as a doormat), I found it very hard to deal with my Scorpio ex-friend, as she was VERY MANIPULATIVE. She would give me a sob story and try to manipulate me into doing things for her, taking advantage of my soft, agreeable heart.

It's not as easy for your son to do that, since he's married to her, and I found it very difficult to pull away from my ex-friend (because she would also get obsessive about calling me all the time) but once I stuck to my guns, I did it. But she was like a STALKER - she would drive into our neighborhood past our house, and also ride her bike by our house - and our neighborhood is secluded, meaning she had to go out of her way to get to it.

Oh, and when I was telling her I was conveniently "busy" all the time, she finally got that she was being dumped and the Scorpio stinger decided to come out one time I saw her in town - she gave me the ice-out. Totally ignored me, not even a polite HI. Which was good because she still creeps me out and I don't want any confrontation with her.

posted April 06, 2013 10:07 PM            

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For the most part I don't even attempt trying to guess ascendants because nine times out of ten, the person doesn't even resemble the physical traits of their rising sign, and if there's other planets in their chart that are angular, those can kinda trump the ascedant sign and they look more like THAT, instead. Someone with Pluto angular can look like a Scorp Riser when they aren't; Stevie Nicks looks like a Pisces Ascendant but she's not; she just has Neptune on her descendant.

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posted April 07, 2013 09:42 AM            

I responded to your post in the Readings section. You wanted someone to look at your son's chart and I would love to do that.

I am very interested in how he handles someone like your daughter in law. Pisces Moons definitely need emotional stability in others and he must be having a very difficult time dealing with his wife.

posted April 07, 2013 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Could she have a Virgo ASC?

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posted April 07, 2013 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by crabbypatty:
Barbee she really sounds like a problem child...this woman ... and my guess is she would have continued to have steam rolled your son ...it's heart breaking that your granddaughter is stuck with this parental configuration but on the other hand at least now your son can go find a woman better suited for his sensitive moon.

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posted April 07, 2013 11:13 PM            

Honestly, I've not been able to sit in one place very long lately, so haven't been on the boards too much as of late, and I apologize for rushing this guesstimate!~ ^^; Having my own busy-matrimonial nonsense/life changes all happening at once, so I feel for ya! <3

After looking over her chart just a bit-

I believe although she does not "look" like she'd match a stereotypical Cancer description, rising or otherwise... I believe she is Cancer rising. I think I'd even put money on it! =x yeah~ I'm that convinced.

Imagine if you will, Saturn in the first with chart ruler in the 12th, please look at the aspects of both.

And, now for the actual determining factor for me to come to this guesstimation! hah

You mentioned that around the time of Thanksgiving that her attitude towards divorcing or working it through had shifted dramatically, no? So, if her 4th house ruler (family/future), were to be crossed by transit over her North Node and Neptune (potentially ruler of her 9th) in Sagittarius (6th), and at the same time Saturn was entering into Scorpio her 5th house and going back and forth over her (darn retrograde) natal Scorpion placements, ruler of her 4th and 10th/5th*corule* (natal), plus the time leading up to it having those natal placements (rulers of their houses) being triggered by Saturn leaving Libra... her 4th house... if she is such a Cancer rising... that and looking at natural ruler of 4th being natal 12th, and having Jupiter in transit there at the same time... Jupiter sextile Jupiter natal-transit (square) or hitting natal Pluto by trine... her possible Dsc is being transited by the ruler of her Sun/5th house right now... having the ruler of the Dsc transiting in its stead at the same time... and the timing when Venus transited Sagittarius making square to Jupiter natal, the same time as transit Jupiter did... I'm not too great with these things, admittedly - but, it doesn't surprise me one bit that if this is her house layout/Asc - how she has been so emotional and fickle, or changeable~ The past 2 years have probably been a tiring experience for her with these transits all happening 4 years ago she would have been completely different, more stable - but the past 2 years it's probably started to wear at her nerves... a lot of it may have to do with impatience in the direction of her life, personally - and not so much that her marriage or motherhood has changed her in a negative way, although it does seem that is where she herself seems to place the most emphasis/attention (blame?)... I don't think this person really believes that so much as she's probably dealing with 4th/12th house issues at once. It's just that she may not know where to go with herself, and is taking it out very unfairly on her family, maybe she feels failed...? Maybe she feels as though she is failing her family (but to counter those feelings she is seeing it as marriage or her husband have failed her)... I know that is a lot to look through with a chart, and not knowing this person... but, it is what comes to mind with these aspects and potentially the transits in this here and now - if this was her actual chart placements/order... get me!? ^^;

what I do see is a woman who wants her most to be a good mother, and maybe she sees that in you (9th house/Neptune), and that she is having trouble connecting what she is herself to what she thinks others are expecting from her (7th house), and she's trying to meet these expectations in her mind, by disassociating herself from her (4th house) family, instead of opening up about what is really bothering her (6th/12th house), she's passing it off because of her sometimes selfish/stubborn own high values/standards/needs (2nd/5th house) aren't being met *in her mind* by others in her life/nor by herself.

I think progressions would also be worth a look, for interpretation of circumstances leading up to this, and would rather see more of the background/reasoning that she's given if any... but, you know. I'll be out here in cyberworld wishing each of them and you the best! Whether any of this is right or wrong - I see a very attentive and considerate grandmother, and a child deserving of only the best both parents can give, and between each of you - I hope this young woman will see this as her purpose, sooner rather than later... If this is a matter of her 2nd,5th,7th houses being acted upon by her and transits (or just a midlife crisis) I'd expect her to be open to discussing things more in October probably, but she will probably still need to confront the issues that are really causing her the stress, which in my opinion comes down to her 12th and 6th houses. If both your son and daughter in law haven't considered it yet, see if they are open to counseling, if they've nixed that idea - try to be the mediator and counselor for them, mom seems to be needing some kind of reassurances/appreciation, if I could... I'd suggest if they are going to be living under the same roof anyway, and be speaking through text and their child as a medium, that they should take said child out and still do family things together with her, otherwise to look at what example they are making. Fill in between each suggestion with a some kind of reassurence that no matter what /you see/ that she is doing her best then, and that they will get through everything, and you see all the effort (or that you aren't if you need to get through and she's being hard headed or sappy/snappy with you about it) ^^ (hey I'm a Mars-Pluto in Scorpio 3h, Cap Sun-Merc, I don't really stand for too much bottoming out/sappiness -lol sorry) If all else fails... and I would only consider it a last resort... use the cold, hard truth with this one (she is a mars in scorp either way too, she'd better have some backbone). Tell her to stop being a selfish suck, and to put her big, mommy pants on and the same would have to go for both... I can't see your son possibly being happy in a loveless marriage, and rooming with her only for the hope they could work things out /eventually/... that's just not healthy or practical, they each deserve happiness, even if it isn't with each other, and each needs to agree for the sake of their child and themselves to support each others happiness and health. If she insists they move on, then it is not time to anchor down like a stubborn toddler, it's time to move out, he can keep his hope from any location, and the same outcome is possible from that distance. Sometimes, the separation is exactly what was needed for them to appreciate each other again, or themselves, to find what they need within themselves, or if that possibility even exists (so lingering around doesn't always help the situation, and can sometimes make matters worse; I'm speaking out of experience here, as I've been in the same predicament for several years). I hope for the best of each of you! <333 You just keep being a nana that rocks!~ Ah~ wish I was a single vixen... you son sounds pretty gd alright by my standards! lol (8h Aries, Pisces DSC, and Gem MC/NN) rawr! alas, I'm a married mother of my own Aries terror, and happy or not, I'm still putting my 50% into making this shambolic relationship work! XD

good luck to both of us, eh!

My vote - Cancer Asc Saturn 1st, Gemini Moon 12th, Sun/Venus/Mars in the 5th. transiting Saturn 5th, and transiting Pluto over Dsc! --- ^^;

g'day/g'night to all! (sorry for any errors here or there, hard to understand rushed typing... especially where transit to natals were listed) hah

posted April 08, 2013 09:34 AM            

I thought Cancer from the beginning but Libra kept creeping in because of her petiteness and because her daughter is a Libra. They look a lot alike and her daughter is a Libra with Scorpio rising, so I thought perhaps she would be just the opposite.

However, DIL's mom is a Cancer and they look a lot alike and from the profile they both have the crescent moon chins. That would also explain her tears, esp. when she uses them to get what she wants.

For the past few months she's been kissing my husband on the lips, hugging him.... everyday when she picks up the baby. Why? He's 70 yrs old. He is fit and good looking but still... She cries to him, "Everyone will think this is my fault".... She now has my husband right under her thumb and now husband and I are on the outs because he is siding with HER over my son (his step son). So this is causing US problems. He picks her side on every issue. This hurts me. With Libra on my 7th I want fairness and loyalty.

Anyway. I appreciate your doing so much work on this to help me and it has helped me. I'm hoping they will wait until a later time to finalize anything. Right now they are going to a mediator and he is also a minister and he tried to counsel them, but she wanted to get right down to the separation paperwork. However, this man is working on it very slowly. Since January he is still working on their finances... I wonder if he is doing this on purpose. I hope he continues to move slowly... like until October.

Everything you said about her is true.