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Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 02, 2013 06:29 PM Not trying to sound pretentious with the title, first of all. But I do feel ilke I have too much depth in every day life. My asc, moon, venus, saturn and pluto are in scorpio. I also have mars in 12th house. I have asc sextile neptune, mars sextile neptune and sun conjunction neptune (wide orb, but still). I have asc conjunction pluto and mars conjunction pluto. I know scorpio and pluto is about intensity mostly, but most of the scorpio placements are in pisces decan, and besides - I think scorpio is a very deep sign that always digs deep into peoples souls, without even trying to. That´s basically me in a nutshell. I walk into a room and I don´t see any masks. I am socially blind. I have no idea how people present themselves socially, as that is an unknown concept to me: Presentation. I have no idea how I come across to others either. All I know is that when I walk into a room I see souls. I SEE people. Not what they want to show, not the picture they´ve been painting up for years. No, I see them as they truly are. This is not always good. For example, alot of people that others consider creepy/stupid somehow manage to get to me, and I end up helping them/talking to them/whatnot, because I see past the outer screepyness. Yes, I know these people are scum, they´re bad for me, and deserve no pity, and yet I can´t help but feel sorry for them. I asked others how they handle these kind of people. They say they just ignore them, or act cold and brush them of. I know that´s a healthy attitude, but I wonder - don´t they feel bad/cold. I mean, am I naive to think these people deserve to be treated with warmth? I find it hard to accept that some people are more stupid and uninformed than me. If I meet someone like that I get so sad. I´m at uni, and I tried to help people out when they didn´t understand certain things, but I ended up sinking to their level instead of helping them. Now I feel like it´s pointless trying to help others. Almost like God wanted this, included this non-equality in his plan. How do you deal with this problem and do you think it´s an astrological thing (water placement thing)? IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 9168 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted May 02, 2013 07:14 PM I can understand where you are coming from, I have a trine from Saturn to my Virgo sun and it's a Capricorn like influence. Both these planets trine my Capricorn nadir too, giving me an earth grand trine with a cardinal point. It's not a bad trait so long as you can distance yourself from people who are only going to use their negativity against you. There's no point in putting up with it. Just being kinda off in general though, it's not something to fear. There are many variations of it. I find nothing wrong until I see it is working against me. It's an outstanding character trait, being able to see past the superficial veneers. Saturn helps with this. Capricorns have a profound streak, even if Saturn is in Aries or Cancer. I went to school with Capricorns who had Saturn in Aries and it was more of a challenge but, eventually, they come around. IP: Logged
Chirp unregistered	posted May 02, 2013 09:19 PM That sounds more like a Neptune (empathy, compassion) thing to me than a Plutonian (depth) one. I wonder what Uranus/Aquarius/11th house might be doing in your chart too because usually that energy prominent makes a person less likely to want to pass judgment on and condemn people, which would explain why you wind up befriending the people that others won't. Also, the supposed "underworld" in a social context, is the 8th house so if you hang out with people that others perceive as sinister or dark and you have that house tenanted that might account for some things as well. I'm gonna be honest, the people you hang out with sound more like afflicted Jupiter (self-righteous, judgmental) and afflicted Saturn (tries to be the disciplinarian) to me - I'm not entirely sure if you're the problem like they're trying to convince you that you are. IP: Logged
NativelyJoan unregistered	posted May 02, 2013 11:26 PM quote: I asked others how they handle these kind of people. They say they just ignore them, or act cold and brush them of. I know that´s a healthy attitude, but I wonder - don´t they feel bad/cold. I mean, am I naive to think these people deserve to be treated with warmth? No, you are not naive, but remember that not everyone has good intentions. There's nothing wrong with giving kindness, but considering you have water dominance in your chart I'd say it's important for you especially to set boundaries with people. Because they can take advantage of your compassionate nature. I've not Neptune in the 11th and for years I allowed my friends to drain me, mentally, emotionally and even financially, until I learned that I was the one allowing them to take advantage of me. I needed to set boundaries and cut out the crappy people from my life which I did. quote: I´m at uni, and I tried to help people out when they didn´t understand certain things, but I ended up sinking to their level instead of helping them. Now I feel like it´s pointless trying to help others. Almost like God wanted this, included this non-equality in his plan. In life we have lessons to learn, this is apart of your journey. Learning not to let other people use you, and take advantage of your kind nature. I don't think you have too much "depth" I think you have a dominant emotional nature, and you might allow your self to be easily swept up in emotional whims. You involve yourself too much emotionally in situations where that isn't necessary. If I remember correctly you've got some Air in your chart, try to connect better to it. Learn to be impartial and more objective when dealing with others. Use your skill for going deep to help others without sacrificing yourself. The way to do that is by learning to be impartial. I'm an 8th house dominant individual, and I can allow myself to get to emotionally involved in situations with others too. But having Aquarius Rising has allowed me to be more objective and impartial instead of involving myself so deeply because most often I end up getting hurt. For a long time I was the person that everyone went too. The energy suckers, manipulators, and even good people who couldn't pass up the opportunity to lay their burdens and baggage on me. I had to come to the realization that I was apart of why these people were able to suck the life out of me. I was giving them to much of myself emotionally and mentally. I had to take a step back and make changes in myself and allow those changes to reflect back into my life. IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 07:01 AM Thanks so much for your oppinions. As usual I failed to make myself completely clear. No one is telling me that I´m wrong for being too empathetic. That´s my own assumption. Another thing - I have no friends. That´s not really the point, but it might be something to consider. I am the outsider/observer of the dynamics at my uni. The people that others consider are creepy cling to me because I have alot of social empathy, it seems. These people are basically energy-vampires. They´re unintelligent and they have lived all their lives feeling put down by the society. So they´ve turned manipulative in order to conceal their unintelligence and incompetence. Most people who get by well, and are sucessful at uni, avoid the unitelligent, shady people. And I understand why. You just can´t help them. They´re a lost case in a way. I feel horrible for saying it, but it´s true. I tried meny times helping them, and reasoning with them but they eventually started losing respect for me and treating me like a doormat. So I had to start setting limits. Now when I see them I don´t even say hi, because I fear they will start talking to me. Am I a hypocrite? These people will remain stupid no matter what I do. And it pains me, so I must get the hell away. But it leaves me scared to my soul. I think it´s scary looking into the eyes of an unitelligent, manipulative person. Not because they are selfish, because we all are in a way. But because I see so much emptieness in them. I want to help them, but I cant. They suck the energy out of you until you become like them. My 11th house is empty. It´s in virgo. So am I the server of humanity? I also have Uranus Trine Midheaven 3.17 Could this account for my unusual public persona? Jupiter is in conjunction with Neptune 3.49, whatever that means. IP: Logged
Chirp unregistered	posted May 03, 2013 07:15 AM quote: Originally posted by Little Doe: Thanks so much for your oppinions. As usual I failed to make myself completely clear. No one is telling me that I´m wrong for being too empathetic. That´s my own assumption. Another thing - I have no friends. That´s not really the point, but it might be something to consider. I am the outsider/observer of the dynamics at my uni. The people that others consider are creepy cling to me because I have alot of social empathy, it seems. These people are basically energy-vampires. They´re unintelligent and they have lived all their lives feeling put down by the society. So they´ve turned manipulative in order to conceal their unintelligence and incompetence. Most people who get by well, and are sucessful at uni, avoid the unitelligent, shady people. And I understand why. You just can´t help them. They´re a lost case in a way. I feel horrible for saying it, but it´s true. I tried meny times helping them, and reasoning with them but they eventually started losing respect for me and treating me like a doormat. So I had to start setting limits. Now when I see them I don´t even say hi, because I fear they will start talking to me. Am I a hypocrite? These people will remain stupid no matter what I do. And it pains me, so I must get the hell away. But it leaves me scared to my soul. I think it´s scary looking into the eyes of an unitelligent, manipulative person. Not because they are selfish, because we all are in a way. But because I see so much emptieness in them. I want to help them, but I cant. They suck the energy out of you until you become like them. My 11th house is empty. It´s in virgo. So am I the server of humanity? I also have Uranus Trine Midheaven 3.17 Could this account for my unusual public persona? Jupiter is in conjunction with Neptune 3.49, whatever that means. How do you know they're stupid? Have you really spoken to them at length, or is it just that you keep hearing everyone else call them stupid and bad? I'm kinda thinking you give the other people at your school too much credit and don't give enough to the outcasts - who at least think enough of you to want to talk to you. The same people who snub them, snub you...but instead of thinking lowly of the people doing the snubbing, you're looking down your nose at the other outcasts. All I'm getting here is that these other people say they're bad, and you're saying they're bad, but I haven't heard anything to make me think they're the problem; I'd be more inclined to want to hang out with them instead of the people who ostracize them, but I don't know if it's because I'm Aquarian and I don't give a fudrucker-the-mad-trucker about social hierarchy and popularity, or what. IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 07:58 AM Chirp: I think you might want to re-read my OP, where I clearly state that I am blind to peoples social masks. I have indeed talked to these people in lenght. I even invited them over to my house. They took advantage of my generosity and empathy to the point where I slightly went insane. Here´s a little example - they copied my essays, tormented me with hour-long stories of their personal problems, talked crap about the "beautiful people" and called me stupid when I defended them, tried to get me to reveal personal stories so they could use it against me, and all this without ever giving me anything in return, but a headache. You have clearly not understood the essence of my dilemma at all, but I sincerely want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to realize just how ready I am to give them the finger. Thanks. IP: Logged
geea unregistered	posted May 03, 2013 08:33 AM Never feel guilty because you tried to help someone. You may not be the right person they can form a healthy bond with, but there s always someone who can do a better job than you; Some feel instinctively if you are emotionally vulnerable or if you are one of those people who wont judge them. And they will take advantage of it. Just make clear your limits with those that you suspect would cross them. @Chirp, noble thinking; stick to the minorities. But reality is not always like this, trust me. Not every outcast is a misunderstood saint. IP: Logged
7thGuardian Knowflake Posts: 1479 From: Transylvania Registered: May 2012	posted May 03, 2013 08:52 AM quote: Originally posted by Chirp: How do you know they're stupid? Have you really spoken to them at length, or is it just that you keep hearing everyone else call them stupid and bad? I'm kinda thinking you give the other people at your school too much credit and don't give enough to the outcasts - who at least think enough of you to want to talk to you. The same people who snub them, snub you...but instead of thinking lowly of the people doing the snubbing, you're looking down your nose at the other outcasts. All I'm getting here is that these other people say they're bad, and you're saying they're bad, but I haven't heard anything to make me think they're the problem; I'd be more inclined to want to hang out with them instead of the people who ostracize them, but I don't know if it's because I'm Aquarian and I don't give a fudrucker-the-mad-trucker about social hierarchy and popularity, or what. True. quote: But I do feel ilke I have too much depth in every day life. Based on the way you described the events - "you come of as someone who lacks depth". People with depth - can see beauty in others and find intelligence where others do not - yet, you don't seem capable of seeing others for what they truly are - beyond the labels given by others... quote: The people that others consider are creepy cling to me because I have alot of social empathy, it seems. These people are basically energy-vampires. They´re unintelligent and they have lived all their lives feeling put down by the society. So they´ve turned manipulative in order to conceal their unintelligence and incompetence. These people will remain stupid no matter what I do. And it pains me, so I must get the hell away. But it leaves me scared to my soul. I think it´s scary looking into the eyes of an unitelligent, manipulative person. Not because they are selfish, because we all are in a way. But because I see so much emptieness in them. I want to help them, but I cant. They suck the energy out of you until you become like them. This is self-projection, as - you can only know yourself in such way and make such harsh judgements. If you look inward... you'll see what i mean. But, if you ignore your inner-self - if you're to afraid to deal with your own demons - to accept yourself, they'll come out on their own in one way or another (self-projection is such way). Now we're getting somewhere. Yet, I do believe that you're being to hard on yourself... and you'll have to face your inner-self sooner or latter... better sooner than later, as - self-projection is both destructive and self-destructive. quote: Another thing - I have no friends. That´s not really the point, but it might be something to consider. I am the outsider/observer of the dynamics at my uni. Basically, you attract others alike (we all do - that's the way it works) but you don't want that - as you see in those people what you despise in yourself and that's why you resorted to self-projection (maybe "unconsciously" - this, i do not know). IP: Logged
hikoro Knowflake Posts: 1239 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 03, 2013 09:23 AM im going to come across as mean... but....this sounds so self-glorifying... if this is even the correct term. but, you know how you come across people who go around with how deep/intuitive they are? (watery folks, esp. piscean/neptunian people seem to be guilty of this) but, it is more of a way to boast how 'special, unique and different' they are? anyone know what im talking about? IP: Logged
geea unregistered	posted May 03, 2013 09:41 AM 7th guardian, come on, stop psych-analising someone based on some few posts, on a public forum. Everyone has their weakness, she was even asking herself ”am i being hypocrite?” this looks like someone with a conscience, and people with a conscience usually care for others. Regardless of the fact that it sounds self-glorifying or not, she is right. thats why when a scorpio dominant offers help you dont take the whole effin hand. Just say thanks and dont play against them. You risk making them disappear or worse make them enemies. hikoro, dont feel offended because LittleDoe dared to feel so deep, its a human quality, not something exclusively reserved to water signs. Feeling deep does not necessarily mean to dig under surface and find hidden beauty in others. Sometimes all you find is mud IP: Logged
hikoro Knowflake Posts: 1239 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 03, 2013 09:46 AM @geea im actually very watery and scorpio dominant im reading between the lines, that is all. IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 10:08 AM quote: Originally posted by hikoro: im going to come across as mean... but....this sounds so self-glorifying... if this is even the correct term. but, you know how you come across people who go around with how deep/intuitive they are? (watery folks, esp. piscean/neptunian people seem to be guilty of this) but, it is more of a way to boast how 'special, unique and different' they are? anyone know what im talking about? We´re all special, aren´t we? Some people are good at math, others are great conversationalists, yet others got killer moves on the dance-floor. I don´t claim to be anything special, it´s just that feeling sorry for people seems to be my thing. If you think that makes me more special than others, well than - thank you. I usually find that arguments like this come from people who suffer from hidden guilt of some sorts. Just food for thought, that´s all. IP: Logged
Chirp unregistered	posted May 03, 2013 10:10 AM quote: Originally posted by Little Doe: Chirp: I think you might want to re-read my OP, where I clearly state that I am blind to peoples social masks. I have indeed talked to these people in lenght. I even invited them over to my house. They took advantage of my generosity and empathy to the point where I slightly went insane. Here´s a little example - they copied my essays, tormented me with hour-long stories of their personal problems, talked crap about the "beautiful people" and called me stupid when I defended them, tried to get me to reveal personal stories so they could use it against me, and all this without ever giving me anything in return, but a headache. You have clearly not understood the essence of my dilemma at all, but I sincerely want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to realize just how ready I am to give them the finger. Thanks. What's "at length"? Inviting them over once and talking for a couple hours, doesn't count. If you wanna flip them off by all means feel free to do it but frankly considering how everyone else shuns you, you're setting yourself up for an even lonelier time. quote: Originally posted by 7thGuardian: Basically, you attract others alike (we all do - that's the way it works) but you don't want that - as you see in those people what you despise in yourself and that's why you resorted to self-projection (maybe "unconsciously" - this, i do not know). Oh man, your entire post said a lot of the things I was thinking but held back on saying outright lmao. I read the posts going, "She wants to be a part of the main group but they won't have her; the outcast kids, would, but she thinks she's too good for them." At this point I actually think trying to encourage her any more to get to know the outsider kids is doing a disservice to them, because do they really need yet another person sneering in their faces and looking down on them? They get enough of that as it is. If she wants to be alone, let her. quote: Originally posted by geea: @Chirp, noble thinking; stick to the minorities. But reality is not always like this, trust me. Not every outcast is a misunderstood saint. I'm not a rookie. I know not everybody can be trusted. By the same token, just because someone is popular and well-accepted doesn't automatically mean they're a decent person, either. And I know firsthand that a lot of the people that get shunned by others and called every name in the book, actually are pretty decent people who really are either misunderstood by, or are outright lied about, by others. I know because I've been there - I wasn't a popular kid in high school, and I'm not a popular adult either, and over the years I've known another misunderstood outcast who turned out to be a good person - my first love, a Virgo. You can't always go by surface impressions or what other people have to say about somebody. If I'd decided whether or not to keep talking to him based on what other people had to say about him, I'd have run like hell and missed out on my twin soul and the love of my life. IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 10:12 AM quote: Originally posted by Chirp: What's "at length"? Inviting them over once and talking for a couple hours, doesn't count. If you wanna flip them off by all means feel free to do it but frankly considering how everyone else shuns you, you're setting yourself up for an even lonelier time. Thanks for your input. IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 10:14 AM quote: Originally posted by 7thGuardian: Basically, you attract others alike (we all do - that's the way it works) but you don't want that - as you see in those people what you despise in yourself and that's why you resorted to self-projection (maybe "unconsciously" - this, i do not know). 7th I think you make some valid points, and you´re right. I do need to tackle my inner demons. IP: Logged
hikoro Knowflake Posts: 1239 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 03, 2013 10:16 AM quote: Originally posted by Little Doe: I usually find that arguments like this come from people who suffer from hidden guilt of some sorts. Just food for thought, that´s all. there...you cant even take criticism, can you? your defensive reactions evidence what chirp and others have implied...but you cant see it. i know, it takes a lot of wisdom to see within instead of doing the self-projection, especially for water folks. (would you have felt better had we answered, "yes, you have much depth?") however, if you prefer to stay in the pedestal, that is your life. IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 10:16 AM quote: Originally posted by geea: Regardless of the fact that it sounds self-glorifying or not, she is right. thats why when a scorpio dominant offers help you dont take the whole effin hand. Just say thanks and dont play against them. You risk making them disappear or worse make them enemies. h Ding Ding Ding! I think we have a winner. IP: Logged
geea unregistered	posted May 03, 2013 10:17 AM hikoro, good for you. i also read between the lines, and i really hope you wont take this the wrong way, but you may not want to talk about some posters and self-glorifying, when you do this on other threads. ps: not judging(most of us do that with astrology, i am no exception) but its just stuff i cannot help but notice IP: Logged
Chirp unregistered	posted May 03, 2013 10:20 AM quote: Originally posted by Little Doe: Ding Ding Ding! I think we have a winner. You sifted through the posts til you found one that told you what you wanted to hear lol. You'd have saved a whole lot of people a lot of time if you stated outright that you were looking for people who shared your stance as opposed to pretending you were genuinely open to everything people might say about it. IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 10:21 AM quote: Originally posted by hikoro: there...you cant even take criticism, can you? your defensive reactions evidence what chirp and others have implied...but you cant see it. i know, it takes a lot of wisdom to see within instead of doing the self-projection, especially for water folks. (would you have felt better had we answered, "yes, you have much depth?") however, if you prefer to stay in the pedestal, that is your life. I admit, I AM overly sensitive. Seems like it makes two of us. :P Are you by chance water-dominated without your knowing? :P Seriously hikoro, I really understand that you´re trying to help. And you know what, I haven´t had a candid discussion like this in a long time. (Mars in 12th house in libra..) I can tell you were trying to help, but I really didn´t mean to come of as feeling special. In fact I think I´m semi-retarded for letting people walk all over me. Well, I´ve decided to start setting boundries from now on. So hopefully, I´ll invest my energy more wisely in the future. IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 10:23 AM quote: Originally posted by Chirp: You sifted through the posts til you found one that told you what you wanted to hear lol. You'd have saved a whole lot of people a lot of time if you stated outright that you were looking for people who shared your stance as opposed to pretending you were genuinely open to everything people might say about it. thanks for your input. IP: Logged
Orange Knowflake Posts: 4591 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009	posted May 03, 2013 10:24 AM quote: Originally posted by Chirp: You sifted through the posts til you found one that told you what you wanted to hear lol. You'd have saved a whole lot of people a lot of time if you stated outright that you were looking for people who shared your stance as opposed to pretending you were genuinely open to everything people might say about it. I totaly agree with you IP: Logged
Little Doe Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2013	posted May 03, 2013 10:34 AM I think this thread got on the wrong track, becase people have started to offend me, and I did the same in return. That was not the intention. I appologize if I have offended anyone. I think some of you might have misunderstood the point of this thread. I´m not asking weather the people I consider shady are good/bad. None of us have the right to judge others, I know that. Let´s start over. Here´s my question: If I am being used by someone, and I clearly am, since they ask me to do things for them all the time and I never ask for anything in return, and I don´t even want or need these people in my life (I simply don´t want them near me), is it wrong of me to reject them, even though I know that they NEED me? (And they clearly do. Otherwise they wouldn´t be bothering me all the time). IP: Logged
hikoro Knowflake Posts: 1239 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 03, 2013 10:39 AM quote: Originally posted by geea: hikoro, good for you. i also read between the lines, and i really hope you wont take this the wrong way, but you may not want to talk about some posters and self-glorifying, when you do this on other threads. ps: not judging(most of us do that with astrology, i am no exception) but its just stuff i cannot help but notice oy....i wish you had argued my opinion instead of doing the personal stuff...too ad hominem. by the way, i think there is a big difference between self-glorification and arrogance/pride. i think that many of us in the board are arrogant and proud about our placements and opinions, but...that is different from seeking self-glorification and validation. IP: Logged

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