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posted May 18, 2013 12:24 AM            

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How do you feel About Virgo being represented by goddesses of war, sex,, magic the underworld, procreation etc

Or just being a symbol of the goddess

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posted May 18, 2013 12:29 AM            

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I like it

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posted May 18, 2013 12:36 AM              

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I always thought gemini should be both Artemis and Apollo.

Gems have balanced qualities of both genders or just plain androgynous.
In vedic astrology Gemini is the manifestation the hindu gods Yama and his sister Yami who are opposite-sex twins.

"Gemini, Latin, 'twins', specifically 'the constellation Castor and Pollux'; probably cognate with Old Indian yamah, Avestic yemo, 'twin', Middle Irish emon (masculine), emuin (feminine), 'pair of twins'. These words possibly derive from Indo-European base *gem- [*yem-], 'to press', whence also Greek gemein, 'to be pregnant, to be full of, Middle Irish gemel, Welsh gefyn, 'fetter'" [Klein, Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary].

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posted May 18, 2013 12:42 AM            

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I've noticed Gemini is sometimes Castor/Pollux, other times a man and woman and some like to say they are lovers, not twins.

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posted May 18, 2013 12:43 AM              

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YESSS, Lovers.
I was about to say that too edit and mention that too.
You read my mind!

Trying to think of mythological lovers.
I think lovers is a good archetype. No one will ever love me as much as I truly love myself...which i kinda depressing. I wish I could clone myself. I think this is why gems float to many different relationships to find some as like minded as they are, or are unable to commit.

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posted May 18, 2013 01:00 AM            

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I just found it! The Major Arcana tarot card "The Lovers" is connected to Gemini and these lovers are actually Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, the Magician card is too.

So, I guess you could say the Lovers are Adam and Eve, the first man and woman.

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posted May 18, 2013 01:39 AM              

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you mean adam and lilith

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posted May 18, 2013 01:44 AM            

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Oh really? The website I visited said Adam and Eve but you could be right, Adam and Lilith...is she his first wife? Not sure how that myth goes exactly.

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posted May 18, 2013 01:55 AM              

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She would not submit to adam because they were born equally, she left then is demonized.. Typical.

She's my favorite biblical character,
Lilith is mentioned in the bible as a demon but her myth is found in jewish texts.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:48 AM            

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I vaguely remember how it goes now. Adam/ Lilith keeps in time with the Castor/Pollux theme of one being good, the other, evil so it fits the mythology better with Lilith than with Eve, if you think of someone being purely evil. Demonic. If you think of Pollux as just being easily seduced, bad in that sense, he fits more with Eve and the idea the Serpent seduced her into eating the apple thus gaining wisdom. So which is Pollux? Wise or Demonic?

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posted May 18, 2013 02:56 AM            

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As far as Ishtar goes, she's connected to Venus, so wouldn't that put her with Taurus and Libra more than Virgo?

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posted May 18, 2013 03:21 AM              

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I vaguely remember how it goes now. Adam/ Lilith keeps in time with the Castor/Pollux theme of one being good, the other, evil so it fits the mythology better with Lilith than with Eve, if you think of someone being purely evil. Demonic. If you think of Pollux as just being easily seduced, bad in that sense, he fits more with Eve and the idea the Serpent seduced her into eating the apple thus gaining wisdom. So which is Pollux? Wise or Demonic?

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I think adam and eve fits because Gemini is ruled my mercury. I don't think angels and demons archetype fits with Gemini.

I think Gemini is torn between Logic (adam) and seduction/impulse/curiosity (eve).
Gemini tends to be the more curious and naughty incarnation of Mercury while virgo tends me be more like logical.

Also I don't see any similarities between virgo and Ishtar besides being maidens. Ishtar is known for the bull of heaven. Ishtar is often said to represent taurus because of this. Both Ishtar and Aphrodite are cruel war hunger love goddesses, both representing how cruel love and "venus" can be. In Vedic astrology Venus is said to be the teacher of demons and represents death.

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posted May 18, 2013 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by indigomoon8:
How do you feel About Virgo being represented by goddesses of war, sex,, magic the underworld, procreation etc

Or just being a symbol of the goddess

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i dont think so.
and, ishtar and isis are not one in the same or represent the same elements.

Ishthar is a Goddess associated with war.. she had to descend to the underworld in order to rescue her lover, Tammuz, there, she met her sister, Ereskeigal. to reach the last gate, she had to get rid of all of her garments and possessions, after her ordeal, she returned to the earth. she is heavily connected to the underworld and the dead.
she is a deity associated with rebirth and transformation.
very plutonian.

as to Isis, assuming that most know about the story of Osiris and their offspring, you know, Osiris being murdered by Set, Isis with grief and in her quest to find all of the body parts of her husband...
she has a strong association with motherhood, wives and magic. she is more cancerian

for virgo, i think demeter, ceres makes way more sense.

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posted May 18, 2013 01:42 PM            

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I read Ishtar is connected to Venus, but what Hikoro posted does sound Plutonian. Maybe she is more about the Taurus/Scorpio axis?

Maybe the OP has a generalized goddess vision in mind for Virgo? Virgo is the embodiment of the goddess period.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:13 PM              

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Why not Zoidberg?

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posted May 18, 2013 02:17 PM            

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I just looked and Zoidberg reminds me of someone on the Simpsons unless I got the wrong guy...

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posted May 18, 2013 02:17 PM              

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but I think the virgin goddess Athena would be better for virgo.
I know she isn't as glamourous as aphrodite or Ishtar.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:18 PM            

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If that's the Zoidberg you mean, I as Virgo must reject.

Aphrodite is definitely Venus, on a half shell, Pisces and Neptune, Venus in Pisces.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:22 PM              

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Aphrodite wind surfing on her giant clam shell.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:23 PM            

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Diana the moon in Sagittarius.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:35 PM            

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In Esoteric Astrology, Venus is the "soul centered ruler of Gemini"

I read about this some time ago, just found the link again.
http://tribes.tribe.net/astrology_of_the_soul/thread/63a3118a-f616-4ee6-996b-22e7060d a273

I see Virgo connections with asteroid Ceres, personally. I see Mercury ruling Gemini, Ceres ruling Virgo

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posted May 18, 2013 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Virgo is the embodiment of the goddess period.[/B]

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which Goddess?
do you say this because virgo is represented by a human...a woman?
if there was ever a representation of the Goddess based on zodiac signs - as in, if we are referring to the entity inspired by venus of willendorf, and principal in Modern Goddess Worship, it would be cancer.
but, i find the term 'The Goddess' very simplistic and limiting anyway. too monolithic.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
which Goddess?
do you say this because virgo is represented by a human...a woman?
if there was ever a representation of the Goddess based on zodiac signs - as in, if we are referring to the entity inspired by venus of willendorf, and principal in Modern Goddess Worship, it would be cancer.
but, i find the term 'The Goddess' very simplistic and limiting anyway. too monolithic.

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Hikoro, no. It cannot be a crab. It's in the symbolism of the sign and I take these things literally. Virgo is the symbol of the woman because she is one. No one likes to give credit where credit is due, they want to take one sign's credit and give it to another that has no connection. A crab is not a goddess. A woman is.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
but I think the virgin goddess Athena would be better for virgo.
I know she isn't as glamourous as aphrodite or Ishtar.

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i think Athena would be a masculine sign, not a feminine one.
as to aphrodite...nope, too venusian and mischievous.

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posted May 18, 2013 02:57 PM              

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Athena is a goddess lol, and mercury is a gender neutral planet anyways, so whatever reason you feel athena is masculine does not matter because of mercuries neutrality.
I never thought was that virgo was that feminine anyways, its cold and barren, venus is debilitated and the moon does not thrive in virgo either.

Besides athena is the virgin and the goddess of wisdom which relates well with virgo. Also Athena completed in a legendary beauty contest which suggests that she is quite feminine and concerned with her beauty and vanity.

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