posted May 31, 2013 07:47 AM            

Are power and “empowerment” the same thing? If they are synonymous, then yes.

When we go to the doctor because we need healing, we are often relying heavily on academic wisdom to define what the best solution for us is: Much like how many people feel towards their relationship with the government, religion and political leaders. We always assume it is the “other” person who has the “power”.

But when we know enough about ourselves to make decisions about our own body, take responsibility for our health to a point where we are telling the “doctor” what we need, telling the government where they should focus their attention on as well as limiting religious doctrine from too much inference with the inner relationship we have with God/ “Is-ness”: Then we are “empowered”.

To me, that is what Pluto is all about. It’s never about ego-gratification and “power” over others but liberation from stifling co-dependency and more towards independence from within. It’s about cutting out the “middle man” –so to speak.

So wherever Pluto is located in the chart is where one can develop self-dependence and inner strength. Here “safe” co-dependency is simply not allowed.

Pluto in 1st can make one self-reliant and effective.

Pluto in 2nd can make one garner substantial wealth. The objective here can be self-sustenance and financial liberation from job dependency.

Pluto in 3rd can make one a powerful speaker and intellect. Your words can bring both healing/destruction. You may need to censor what you say in your interactions to prevent hurt feelings or misunderstandings.

Pluto in 4th can make the individual feel that they may not have a family/ may have lost them (in some way). Either way, the person has to start to create a “sense of security/belonging” from scratch. Pluto in 4th can make one truly understand what “belonging” really means.

Pluto in 5th can have one’s personality go through a transformation because of a significant love affair or through motherhood/fatherhood. A lover/ child can be an agent towards a personality shift for better/worse. These people are the types to experience a “one in a lifetime” love affair; usually characterized by drama, passion, sickness and death etc.

Pluto in 6th is like a detergent or cleaning agent. One can be a vehicle of purification through cleaning out mental clogs and physical illnesses in one’s life (the focus is more on the mental hang-ups and beliefs). One can be a valuable agent in mastering the mind-body effect role in wellness; especially when one starts with him/herself. One may have the insight to recognize the connection between pure thought energy and physical reality.

Pluto in the 7th house can be a gifted therapist, social worker and confidant. Even if these are not the career paths that one chooses, one can often attract social situations that can have one adopting the roles mentioned. When one finds herself giving profound clarity to others, it is often in those moments that one is really crystallizing things for themselves.

Pluto in 8th house can have one’s faith put through the grind: Losing other people who were once close to you or your valuables that other people now claim as “theirs”, is not unusual(divorce/estrangement/legal misappropriation of personal funds etc).

Whether or not you believe in fate/god is inconsequential because if either “belief” happens to be a superficial, it’ll be torn away from the native very early and have one come “face to face” with just how ugly life can get.

Pluto can call one to gain insight into their feelings and emotions and indeed come to the realization that they are ‘god’. This blatant even “blasphemous” thought (by other’s decree) may arouse you more than any other subservient belief systems.

Pluto in 9th house may incline one to transcend study in strictly religious doctrine/institutions and look to the diverse world around them. The psychology of society and learning why things are the way they are, may be some subjects of interests.

For those who are religious, this may not lead to abandoning religious beliefs altogether, but it could mean “adapting” this god so that he/she is various shades of grey. One may be ready to welcome the notion of “good/bad” dynamics and not be so pleased with a “god is always good” notion.

I haven’t quite figured out the rest consistently though, but I will soon.

All I can conclude is that, as much as you say that Pluto is where one discovers their “personal power”, I can include that it is perhaps where one may go through “hell” to know it.

posted May 31, 2013 08:13 AM            

It is not always easy to find one’s true self, it is plagued by both danger, fear and moments of feeling like you are “dancing with the devil” et

Well said. May I take your words and put them on one of my articles cuz they are brilliant

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posted May 31, 2013 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Debby4:
I don't think so? People do say I look mean or serious most of the time. :[ I also knock pretty hard on people's doors. xD It scares them. > It's also conjunct my moon...

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You do have personal power but you may not know it yet, if you are young. What is your moon?

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posted May 31, 2013 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by yaygirlthecat:
I have Venus and Pluto in the 8th... wouldn't say I feel powerful there at all... kinda the opposite at the moment.

But I'd love to hear more analysis on what you mean by development from these issues.

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The thing I notice about Pluto in the 8th house is that it deals very closely with shared resources - be it time, money, energy, etc. Pluto just means that anything we touch in that house can tend to be explosive because there's always a lesson we need to learn from Pluto.

Not to become too philosophical but I believe that 8th house goes even beyond the 'shared resources' between people, it becomes involved in the global resources. Pluto's power in the 8th dictates that you can magnetize whatever resources you want, but make sure it's for the greater good otherwise selfish motivations will always bite you in the ~!!.

This usually explains the wide range of personal experience with this house where it can go from a positive inheritance on one side to legal documents/divorce on the other. I believe people with 8th house Pluto sometimes think that life is just 'happening' to them without really understanding that they 'attract' the situation based on unconscious patterning.

posted May 31, 2013 09:06 AM            

Well said. May I take your words and put them on one of my articles cuz they are brilliant

posted May 31, 2013 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
[b]Ami Anne
All I can conclude is that, as much as you say that Pluto is where one discovers their “personal power”, I can include that it is perhaps where one may go through “hell” to know it.
It is not always easy to find one’s true self, it is plagued by both danger, fear and moments of feeling like you are “dancing with the devil” et

Well said. May I take your words and put them on one of my articles cuz they are brilliant

Go ahead!!![/B]

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posted May 31, 2013 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
Hmmm , it depends.

Are power and “empowerment” the same thing? If they are synonymous, then yes.

When we go to the doctor because we need healing, we are often relying heavily on academic wisdom to define what the best solution for us is: Much like how many people feel towards their relationship with the government, religion and political leaders. We always assume it is the “other” person who has the “power”.

But when we know enough about ourselves to make decisions about our own body, take responsibility for our health to a point where we are telling the “doctor” what we need, telling the government where they should focus their attention on as well as limiting religious doctrine from too much inference with the inner relationship we have with God/ “Is-ness”: Then we are “empowered”.

To me, that is what Pluto is all about. It’s never about ego-gratification and “power” over others but liberation from stifling co-dependency and more towards independence from within. It’s about cutting out the “middle man” –so to speak.

So wherever Pluto is located in the chart is where one can develop self-dependence and inner strength. Here “safe” co-dependency is simply not allowed.

Pluto in 1st can make one self-reliant and effective.

Pluto in 2nd can make one garner substantial wealth. The objective here can be self-sustenance and financial liberation from job dependency.

Pluto in 3rd can make one a powerful speaker and intellect. Your words can bring both healing/destruction. You may need to censor what you say in your interactions to prevent hurt feelings or misunderstandings.

Pluto in 4th can make the individual feel that they may not have a family/ may have lost them (in some way). Either way, the person has to start to create a “sense of security/belonging” from scratch. Pluto in 4th can make one truly understand what “belonging” really means.

Pluto in 5th can have one’s personality go through a transformation because of a significant love affair or through motherhood/fatherhood. A lover/ child can be an agent towards a personality shift for better/worse. These people are the types to experience a “one in a lifetime” love affair; usually characterized by drama, passion, sickness and death etc.

Pluto in 6th is like a detergent or cleaning agent. One can be a vehicle of purification through cleaning out mental clogs and physical illnesses in one’s life (the focus is more on the mental hang-ups and beliefs). One can be a valuable agent in mastering the mind-body effect role in wellness; especially when one starts with him/herself. One may have the insight to recognize the connection between pure thought energy and physical reality.

Pluto in the 7th house can be a gifted therapist, social worker and confidant. Even if these are not the career paths that one chooses, one can often attract social situations that can have one adopting the roles mentioned. When one finds herself giving profound clarity to others, it is often in those moments that one is really crystallizing things for themselves.

Pluto in 8th house can have one’s faith put through the grind: Losing other people who were once close to you or your valuables that other people now claim as “theirs”, is not unusual(divorce/estrangement/legal misappropriation of personal funds etc).

Whether or not you believe in fate/god is inconsequential because if either “belief” happens to be a superficial, it’ll be torn away from the native very early and have one come “face to face” with just how ugly life can get.

Pluto can call one to gain insight into their feelings and emotions and indeed come to the realization that they are ‘god’. This blatant even “blasphemous” thought (by other’s decree) may arouse you more than any other subservient belief systems.

Pluto in 9th house may incline one to transcend study in strictly religious doctrine/institutions and look to the diverse world around them. The psychology of society and learning why things are the way they are, may be some subjects of interests.

For those who are religious, this may not lead to abandoning religious beliefs altogether, but it could mean “adapting” this god so that he/she is various shades of grey. One may be ready to welcome the notion of “good/bad” dynamics and not be so pleased with a “god is always good” notion.[/b]

I haven’t quite figured out the rest consistently though, but I will soon.

All I can conclude is that, as much as you say that Pluto is where one discovers their “personal power”, I can include that it is perhaps where one may go through “hell” to know it.

It is not always easy to find one’s true self, it is plagued by both danger, fear and moments of feeling like you are “dancing with the devil” etc.

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posted May 31, 2013 04:17 PM            

Well said, ASc Taurus!

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posted May 31, 2013 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I have Pluto in 1st, conjunct Jupiter by 1 degree. Pluto's personal power should blossom under Jupiter's expansive light. Couple that with a Leo Asc and Scorpio Sun and I should be reeking with the stuff. So, what happened? I have both Pluto and Jupiter square Saturn and opp Moon. Power not exactly extinguished but certainly toned down a few notches.

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Interesting. Lets think about this. Pluto oppose the Moon--did you have a hard relationship with your mother?

Pluto sq Saturn--do you feel it is very hard for you to show your primal power?

Please, explain if you care to

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posted May 31, 2013 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpioMoon:
Well, I have pluto the 8th house, and i always felt that OTHER PEOPLE have always had control over my belongings, my attitude toward sex and taboo subjects, my finances, and so on. Pluto is square my ascendant and trine my sun/mercury. Before I found out about astrology, I wasn't even aware of the fact that I could even have plutonian energy around me.

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Wow I never heard that one as usually this Pluto is a primal powerhouse. I think your issue may be more the Pluto sq the ASC than the 8th House position. What do you think?

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posted May 31, 2013 10:09 PM            

The 1st house is the house of self, I'm literally scared at how I overcome hard obstacles and win over it, Its like pluto wants me to have a steel soul, and I'm really sensitive within but looks like pluto don't like this and wants me to transform into powerful thing.

Whatever, My Aries Sun will always be there

posted June 01, 2013 07:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
Pluto in 1st attached to grand trine kite.

The 1st house is the house of self, I'm literally scared at how I overcome hard obstacles and win over it, Its like pluto wants me to have a steel soul, and I'm really sensitive within but looks like pluto don't like this and wants me to transform into powerful thing.

Whatever, My Aries Sun will always be there

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How interesting. Could you please explain the Kite to me. I have not worked with this chart shape. If you could get behind the eyes of it and tell me how it feels, that would be great! Thanks so much

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posted June 01, 2013 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Interesting. Lets think about this. Pluto oppose the Moon--did you have a hard relationship with your mother?

Pluto sq Saturn--do you feel it is very hard for you to show your primal power?

Please, explain if you care to

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Yes, my relationship with my mother posed difficulties for me. I needed to support her at a very young age.

Re expressing my 'primal power', I am not entirely sure what that entails. Sure I can be powerful and have demonstrated it in the work place but relationships are something else. Perhaps Saturn, which is conjunct Venus in 4th, poses a challenge in that sphere. I need to learn how to claim my power!

posted June 01, 2013 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Another thing I see with my clients( and myself) is that the House of Pluto is where a person has power. Which house is your Pluto and do you agree/disagree? Why?

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Yes, I feel that this is true for me! Except the power is mystic and undefined. I feel like my Plutonian power is in the 12th and therefore, I have budding psychic abilities. I feel like if I try to tap into those energies my psychic powers can grow. I do not think I will ever have true premonitions but something more unique. I can feel it.

posted June 01, 2013 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:

Pluto in the 7th house can be a gifted therapist, social worker and confidant. Even if these are not the career paths that one chooses, one can often attract social situations that can have one adopting the roles mentioned. When one finds herself giving profound clarity to others, it is often in those moments that one is really crystallizing things for themselves.

Pluto in 8th house can have one’s faith put through the grind: Losing other people who were once close to you or your valuables that other people now claim as “theirs”, is not unusual(divorce/estrangement/legal misappropriation of personal funds etc).

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posted June 01, 2013 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Yes, my relationship with my mother posed difficulties for me. I needed to support her at a very young age.

Re expressing my 'primal power', I am not entirely sure what that entails. Sure I can be powerful and have demonstrated it in the work place but relationships are something else. Perhaps Saturn, which is conjunct Venus in 4th, poses a challenge in that sphere. I need to learn how to claim my power!

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Saturn conj Venus seems to be people who feel they must be perfect in order to be loved. Do you feel this way?

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posted June 01, 2013 01:50 PM            

Yes, absolutely, in answer to your question. Or have to be better than everybody else. Very self-critical. There must be a Visualisation or Mantra to nullify the effects of Saturn which I could use!

posted June 01, 2013 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Hey, this is becoming interesting!

Yes, absolutely, in answer to your question. Or have to be better than everybody else. Very self-critical. There must be a Visualisation or Mantra to nullify the effects of Saturn which I could use!

So the Saturn effect in this instance is obviously suppressing Plutonic power.

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One of my clients has Venus conj Saturn and I learned from her how high her standards are for herself, in order for her to be loved so I kind of got behind the eyes of this aspect.

She is an outstanding college professor, so has achieved a lot in her career but Saturn conj venus does make one feel they have to be worthy of love and no one really is lol

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posted June 01, 2013 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Yes, I feel that this is true for me! Except the power is mystic and undefined. I feel like my Plutonian power is in the 12th and therefore, I have budding psychic abilities. I feel like if I try to tap into those energies my psychic powers can grow. I do not think I will ever have true premonitions but something more unique. I can feel it.

It's interesting having a 12H Pluto. Since the power seems so distant and at times, it feels like it can swallow me whole. I'm learning to better harness it and energize it properly. It seems my self-undoing is truly, revenge. How appropriate, seeing as Pluto is in Scorpio.

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Wow very interesting!

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posted June 01, 2013 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Yes, I feel that this is true for me! Except the power is mystic and undefined. I feel like my Plutonian power is in the 12th and therefore, I have budding psychic abilities. I feel like if I try to tap into those energies my psychic powers can grow. I do not think I will ever have true premonitions but something more unique. I can feel it.

It's interesting having a 12H Pluto. Since the power seems so distant and at times, it feels like it can swallow me whole. I'm learning to better harness it and energize it properly. It seems my self-undoing is truly, revenge. How appropriate, seeing as Pluto is in Scorpio.

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Do you feel like you have a double life in some way. One of my clients with Pluto here did. She had an actual double life but it could be a life where you are sweet on the outside but burning with primal passions on the inside but feel you can't show it and have to wear a 'nice mask"

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posted June 01, 2013 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Hey, this is becoming interesting!

Yes, absolutely, in answer to your question. Or have to be better than everybody else. Very self-critical. There must be a Visualisation or Mantra to nullify the effects of Saturn which I could use!

So the Saturn effect in this instance is obviously suppressing Plutonic power.

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I find that what Saturn conjuncts makes people obsessive about expressing too.

Does that fit?

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posted June 01, 2013 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:

Pluto in 3rd can make one a powerful speaker and intellect. Your words can bring both healing/destruction. You may need to censor what you say in your interactions to prevent hurt feelings or misunderstandings.

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I can certainly relate to that. I also seem to sense undertones in non-verbal communication and peoples motivations.

I have Libra Pluto conjunct Mercury and Saturn in the 3rd.