posted June 05, 2013 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hm I've got moon conj NN - is this a problem or a this beneficial?

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posted June 05, 2013 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hm I've got moon conj NN - is this a problem or a this beneficial?

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Logically thinking, it should be beneficial for you to express your moon.

posted June 05, 2013 02:54 PM            

I look at astrological destiny as a collection of paths or roads converging and diverging in all directions. You can drive down any path, but the further you travel, the closer you get to wherever that path leads. Nothing forces you to drive down that road, you can choose to turn around, pull over, or even take a branch of that road off to a completely different destination.

Blaming astrological destiny for personal challenges is like blaming a road for being washed out from a flood. The reality is, in this universe sh1t happens. That includes factors which limit or challenge us down the road we choose to travel. So an Aries who want's to act like a Cap can try, but may have great difficulty because it's not the road they are driving down. They must travel from Aries to Capricorn, like a person driving through the desert and longing for a swim must travel to the ocean. Everything in a linearly progressive universe is a process. Your question is actually a very NN Taurus in 12H question believe it or not. Essentially you appear to be asking, "Why must I suffer consequences for just being comfortable with who I am now, why must I be penalized for choosing not to travel down new unknown and unpleasant paths?"

I believe the answer to your question is, consequences only come when you do harm (and that is just the simple law of cause and effect). Stay where you are if you like, pull over and enjoy the sunset, hike around a bit; the road will be there when you get back. "Astrological destiny" is about learning to experience whoever you are, as deeply as possible. So just make sure you are honest with yourself about when it is time to jump back in the car and find a place to eat, otherwise you end up starving to death in a pretty place. We humans always have such an obsession with time and seem to think we must reach some cosmic deadline at a certain level of personal evolution, or else we failed; but "destiny" has all the time in the world. I believe we never fail; that the universe is collecting experiences from every object created within and of it, so all experiences are valued and cherished. I also believe we choose our charts before birth, specifically for the potential "roads" which can be traveled from our individual perspective.

posted June 05, 2013 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
The answer to your question is a very complex one with many different conclusions, depending on how each person believes astrology works.

I look at astrological destiny as a collection of paths or roads converging and diverging in all directions. You can drive down any path, but the further you travel, the closer you get to wherever that path leads. Nothing forces you to drive down that road, you can choose to turn around, pull over, or even take a branch of that road off to a completely different destination.

Blaming astrological destiny for personal challenges is like blaming a road for being washed out from a flood. The reality is, in this universe sh1t happens. That includes factors which limit or challenge us down the road we choose to travel. So an Aries who want's to act like a Cap can try, but may have great difficulty because it's not the road they are driving down. They must travel from Aries to Capricorn, like a person driving through the desert and longing for a swim must travel to the ocean. Everything in a linearly progressive universe is a process. Your question is actually a very NN Taurus in 12H question believe it or not. Essentially you appear to be asking, "Why must I suffer consequences for just being comfortable with who I am now, why must I be penalized for choosing not to travel down new unknown and unpleasant paths?"

I believe the answer to your question is, consequences only come when you do harm (and that is just the simple law of cause and effect). Stay where you are if you like, pull over and enjoy the sunset, hike around a bit; the road will be there when you get back. "Astrological destiny" is about learning to experience whoever you are, as deeply as possible. So just make sure you are honest with yourself about when it is time to jump back in the car and find a place to eat, otherwise you end up starving to death in a pretty place. We humans always have such an obsession with time and seem to think we must reach some cosmic deadline at a certain level of personal evolution, or else we failed; but "destiny" has all the time in the world. I believe we never fail; that the universe is collecting experiences from every object created within and of it, so all experiences are valued and cherished. I also believe we choose our charts before birth, specifically for the potential "roads" which can be traveled from our individual perspective.

Astrology is simply math which defines reality in a specific way, not an angry set of gods waiting to bite your head off when you don't do what they tell you to do. Just be honest with your self and the aspects of our universe which do bite people's heads off (mortality, karma, circumstance, etc.) will be easier to understand/work with.

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posted June 05, 2013 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
I just adore how you put that into words. Now I want to buy your self help book for comforting words at difficult moments. All the sequels!

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LOL thanks. no self help books in the works yet, but maybe one day.

I also wanted to add to the OP topic, NN and SN are not indicators of failure or being on the right track. SN simply means "the stuff we are familiar with from previous experience" it's skills and ways of seeing the world which have become habitual, autonomic, and don't offer much opportunity for personal evolution.

posted June 06, 2013 12:52 AM            

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posted June 06, 2013 01:43 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
So, Jess, how do they symbolize strong emotions? I have always been more emotional than the average person. How does my nodal axis influence this? Just the north node in Pisces would signify emotional issues because that's what I have had. I have south node in Virgo, twelfth house conjunct Pluto. Would it being in house twelve and conjunct Pluto also indicate really intense feelings, likes hysterical crying? I used to do this a lot though I have mellowed some.

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The nodes belong to the moon ya? The moon represents our emotional side.I think the nodes symbolize our emotional strengths/flaws/insecurities/fears/childhood traumas.

The pisces-Virgo axis.

Pisces is the natural ruler of the 12th house ya? It is a water house, it rules hidden emotions,raw emotions, emotions that we don't fully understand or have a good handle on. It rules everything that your soul has suppressed ya? Whether we like it or not, emotions run us. So if you have NN in pisces, you are most likely someone who is extremely emotional. But that's one extreme of this axis ya? Virgo is a mental-physical-emotional balance sign, highly critical,they do not hesitate to communicate noted imperfections. This critical side of virgo renders them emotionally self sufficient since this trait doesn't endear them to others ya? So emotionally Virgos are very reserved people.They do not understand emotional outbursts. I know my sister doesn't.she genuinely doesn't understand why a person is emotional!

posted June 06, 2013 03:04 AM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
There's a simple way to put it, this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTt64zFigdU - if you shun your inner-self - the core of your being, you get a distorted image of who you are... but those around you notice (same as in above video - where by her eyes/ears - she probbaly sees her self as Katie Melua...). You can't be aware of certain behaviors - if you ignore who you are inside, even worst - you project your inner demons on others, as you can accept that part about yourself.

Deja Vu.

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This paragraph contains more unsubstantiated bs than I can put up with. If you want to make a point, do bother to prove it, do not proclaim it as a universal truth for heavens sake. Besides your bs point about sun sign being the inner core stands no criticism. Still an amateur?

posted June 06, 2013 03:12 AM            

I understand most of your ideas, but the thing is I don't like the fact that my Scorpio side is denied its fulfilment (I have more Scorpio placements than I thought I had, SN being but one). I can't understand what's wrong with starving. Some oriental poet said better starve than eat no matter what. If the universe wants me to cook for a base earthly idiot who doesn't take me where my God is, surely I have a right to say "take this sh1t away and never offer it to me again". I don't want that route and I am allowed not to take it. Whoever keeps shoving it into my face will get a lovely powerful kick in the teeth with my brand new all saints damisi boot

posted June 06, 2013 04:57 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
@Xiiro:

I understand most of your ideas, but the thing is I don't like the fact that my Scorpio side is denied its fulfilment (I have more Scorpio placements than I thought I had, SN being but one). I can't understand what's wrong with starving. Some oriental poet said better starve than eat no matter what. If the universe wants me to cook for a base earthly idiot who doesn't take me where my God is, surely I have a right to say "take this sh1t away and never offer it to me again". I don't want that route and I am allowed not to take it. Whoever keeps shoving it into my face will get a lovely powerful kick in the teeth with my brand new all saints damisi boot

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I can understand your frustration with that kind of perspective. SN/NN are not about renunciation in my experience, they are about trajectory, gravity. Life tends to pull us toward a specific direction because life is an unfolding experience and we are a part of that unfolding. We are not however, bound to follow wherever life pulls us. My comment about starvation was not meant to state that staying in one's comfort zone is an act of self destruction. The point was to underline that staying in one's comfort zone against one's own better judgment is self destructive.

One zen student said, “My teacher is the best. He can go days without eating.”
A second said, “My teacher has so much self-control, he can go days without sleep.”
A third said, “My teacher is so wise that he eats when he’s hungry and sleeps when he’s tired.”

I think the point I was trying to make is that the universe doesn't want you to do anything or go in any specific direction. Where you go and what you do is your responsibility. Fear of, frustration about, and focus on things that have not happened (like one's destiny) only serve to distract us from enjoying our self in the present and the present is where your life is happening.

I want to elaborate a bit on the comment I made earlier:

SN Scorpio 6H is about understanding we are valid to exist, we have a right and reason to exist in the world. Scoprio seeks truth and depth where it is found and the 6H indicates where we naturally fit as a productive and symbiotic cell in the greater organism. These are things you have learned and so you probably feel valid being yourself, feeling what you feel, and doing what you do. You just know that your perspective is valid and important (even if it only ends up being important to you). It's just rational.

Taurus NN 12H is about exploring one's self by appreciating one's inner qualities; learning to really savor the fundamental facets of one's self. Whenever a Node is in the 12H the Nodal lesson involves experiencing things within the confines of one's own world. My SN happens to be in the 12H and much of my life experiences have been about drawing me out of my own world and into the world of others. When NN lives there though, the lesson is about allowing yourself to get lost in your world. Learning to discover the value and beauty of self with the imagination/heart instead of the head (6H). Learning to savor and appreciate our self develops compassion and appreciation for others, which is the whole point of the nodal lesson.

This lesson asks you to stretch your wings beyond rationalization and learn to just revel in the indescribable beauty of your world. To me that doesn't sound like "deny your Scorpio and come to the bovine dark side". To me that says "congratulations, you have come to a point in your existence where you understand Scorpio so well, it can be used as a foundation for understanding how to taste, absorb, and bathe in your world the way a professional Taurus does". Your Scorpio side's fulfillment is not only encouraged, it is praised and further encouraged to invest that experience. When we graduate high school, we don't throw away everything we learned and start fresh in college. We apply the skills acquired in our earlier years to enhance our college experience. The exact thing happens with Nodes. Nodal astrology only shows us the subjects we have taken and which subjects will best lead to a credential our skill-set is tailored toward. You don't have to go to college if you don't want to. You can even hang out at your old high school every day if it makes you happy.

So, why should Scorpio be treated like the bad guy?: It shouldn't, it should be appreciated as a cherished skill and applied toward whatever best fulfills you (which you should discover by using your NN as a cheat sheet).
Why do you have to learn the Taurus lesson?: Because you are already a professional Scorpio. You don't need more Scorpio school to achieve fulfillment. You have all the preparation you need to start exploring the other half of the Scorpio/Taurus energy.

You don't have to paint any specific picture, these are just the paints which happen to be on your palate. If you don't want a Taurus flavored painting, paint the whole thing in Scorpio, or Capricorn, or don't use astrology to paint at all. Astronomy may be able to drop an asteroid on your head for ignoring it, but astrology never will.

posted June 06, 2013 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
This paragraph contains more unsubstantiated bs than I can put up with. If you want to make a point, do bother to prove it, do not proclaim it as a universal truth for heavens sake. Besides your bs point about sun sign being the inner core stands no criticism. Still an amateur?

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I'm not a psych capable of mind control or your personal therapist - to be able to breach trough that blockage you set on yourself. That might be the only way someone could prove you something you don't want to know - something you dismiss on spot without a second though, something you defend with so much hostility. I learned my lesson the hard way - last time i tried... and that was a regretful mistake - i give you that (your hateful vibe can be so draining...). Maybe you chose to see yourself as a social butterfly that spreads only joy, but here (at least) - i can assure you... that's not the way you're perceived by others - especially those born under Capricorn Sun - as you spread so much hate in the direction of their Sun (something which is visible trough most of your posts).

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
And what benefit does your hating on it in every possible place give you? You act as if someone expects you to be everything that anyone has ever written about Capricorns. No one does. If you're totally different, then be different. It happens and there's nothing wrong about it. What's the problem then? You definitely have one. Are you so afraid that you're destined to transform into a Capricornian person? That your "we're here to have fun, not learn" philosophy is wrong and daddy Saturn will beat you up? Or maybe you're not as non-capricornian as you want us to think and it frustrates you?

I don't really mind you don't indentify with your sun sign. What I mind is your hate campaign against the element of earth. And often earthy people. You don't have to appreciate our qualities but constat reminding us what a piece of **** we are to you is unnecessary.

The solution is so simple. Accept that you happen to have this zodiac sign. After all it's just a meaningless label, isn't it? You are NOT obliged to embody its characteristics.

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...other than that - this is an astrology forum, a public place open to debates related to astrology. I'm not the one who created astrology and the notions around it - so no, those are not my personal opinions (i can't take credit for those notions). I just learned about it like anybody else (from those interested in astrology) - and chose to participate in discussions related to it - based on what i know so far, something which most agree upon - as it makes a lot of sense. Something that's supported by some of the top sites in terms of astrology:
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_planets1_e.htm

Sun

The Sun tells us of the actual core of a person, the inner self, of that which is of central concern. It also shows us the general vitality and the ability to assert oneself, it describes a general tone of being which colors everything else.
http://cafeastrology.com/sun.html

The Sun, the giver of life, represents our conscious mind in Astrology. It represents our will to live and our creative life force.

Just as the planets revolve around the Sun in our solar system, we derive our life purpose from the Sun in our natal charts. The Sun is our ego. It is also our "adult"-- the part of us that censors our "inner child", that reasons things out, and makes final decisions. The Sun is our basic identity, and represents self-realization. When you are asked, "Who are you?", and you've passed your basic statistics and occupation, your answers will be a description of your Sun. The Sun also represents our overall vitality. The Sun directs us, and can be considered "the boss" of our chart.

The Sun - is so important in the chart, that the happiest people on this earth are those who identify (without over-identifying) with the Sun's expression. Though one might think that the traits of their Sun would come easy to them, the truth is, the Sun shows what we are learning to be. It is very important to remember that the Sun represents reason as opposed to instinct.

...something which you call bs. Fine, just don't give me credit for it - as that just wouldn't be fair.

posted June 06, 2013 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
The nodes belong to the moon ya? The moon represents our emotional side.I think the nodes symbolize our emotional strengths/flaws/insecurities/fears/childhood traumas.

The pisces-Virgo axis.

Pisces is the natural ruler of the 12th house ya? It is a water house, it rules hidden emotions,raw emotions, emotions that we don't fully understand or have a good handle on. It rules everything that your soul has suppressed ya? Whether we like it or not, emotions run us. So if you have NN in pisces, you are most likely someone who is extremely emotional. But that's one extreme of this axis ya? Virgo is a mental-physical-emotional balance sign, highly critical,they do not hesitate to communicate noted imperfections. This critical side of virgo renders them emotionally self sufficient since this trait doesn't endear them to others ya? So emotionally Virgos are very reserved people.They do not understand emotional outbursts. I know my sister doesn't.she genuinely doesn't understand why a person is emotional!

So may be in a past life, you were so highly critical of others. Now in this present life, you need to work towards a good balance between being too emotional and emotional reserved?

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I've always thought I needed to strive for better balance. I started out with too much emotion, now I am pretty calm most the time. Thanks, Jessica, for your input.

posted June 06, 2013 01:44 PM            

If this was so, then fine. But you know what? Tons if people do it. Surely there must be a reason why this happens?

If someone was told their ego longs to be rubbish surely they wouldn't get down to fulfilling that programme immediately?

"you are blond" - "no, I am a redhead" - "no, you're blond" - "but my hair is red, and naturally red too" - "then you should dye it blond, because at the end of the day you are blond, stop resisting it"

And ESP because you are not my shrink (thank f**k for that!!) and precisely for this reason you are not entitled to make comments and conclusions re: my personality. And you know why that is? Because you have zero information about me. Zero. And yet you want to lecture me about what I am.

And no one cares about your crap opinions that consist of copy pasted text everyone can google alright. Fascinatingly talented people contribute to this board, it's always valuable to read their thoughts. You are not one of them, and its not really my fault.

My knowledge of psychoanalysis kind of leads me to think that you hate me for a reason. Most probably you are not lucky with girls and you hate it when one tells you your competence is dubious. Ego issues. You are pitiable in your wish to permanently lecture me.

Talking about vibe to a natural born empath is also a pretty lame move. That's our buzzer you see, all things related to vibe. And don't get me started.

Anyway, if opinions are allowed, as you insist they are, there are users who do not contribute to forums, they just parrot sh*t everyone knows as if it was sensational. This is what you do. No substantiation, no useful info, just some lame pretence at superiority and never ending "you're an idiot", which cannot be used to prove anything.

Please stop harassing me and pretending you are in any way entitled to comment on me. Get over it. Nothing you say stands any chance of being cool, so would be wiser to be quiet

posted June 06, 2013 04:29 PM            

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andstuff: I cannot understand, everyone keeps saying something like the destiny starts taking things away and whatnot, is it true?

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I don't think that's it at all...I like how Xiiro put it, that it's like trajectory. I think that if you start to fight against it or try aiming somewhere else, you will land somewhere where the grass isn't as green as it could have been, ya see?

posted June 06, 2013 08:16 PM            

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@ 7th Guardian: you are acting as if I was the only person who reads sun sign descriptions and says "this doesn't sound like me"

If this was so, then fine. But you know what? Tons if people do it. Surely there must be a reason why this happens?

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I do that as well - though, that's not what you do. Instead of being subjective and putting it in polite terms ("like a sociable person would do" - "Doux Rêve" for example, that's what it means to be sociable as she proved trough her actions - not trough self-praising herself as one and acting otherwise) - describing why you don't find some descriptions fitting to your personality (other placements maybe) - you insult all Capricorns with hateful notions of your own... describing the Capricorn sign in all kinds of insulting and degrading ways - as if all Capricorns are some kind of monsters... ending with a line like "that's not me" or "who'd want to be like that".

I happen to know some Capricorns (my grandma, my best friend from childhood, some of my current friends, some members from here) and none of them seem to fit your "personal descriptions". Maybe they're not perfect - but nobody is... Most of them prove to be quite sensitive inside (once you get to know them on a personal level) - while others proved to be sensitive and kind to others even on a public level. So yeah - guess it bothered me to see someone like you who keeps projecting her inner-demons on others (you're the only "member" i know from lindaland - who seems to fit those description of yours) - then adding something like "that's not me" ... which is like - doing it by the book, if we're to talk about psychoanalysis.

No point in quoting the rest of your trolling.

Have a nice day.

posted June 06, 2013 10:29 PM            

Will you EVER learn to back up your dubious generalisations? You see a valid argument is always backed up in a way that cannot be refuted. If you're so bloody bent upon making a point, why do you keep forgetting to bother? Do you understand plain English? Where is argumentation? There is none. "I think so" is not an argument

And yes the so called "creative" Capricorns is a bit of a joke. So when they start saying creativity is inherent to them yes they should shut up. One of their favourite examples is David Bowie. Meanwhile look at his later work, it's bland, totally off, totally not moving, we have some labour but no real beauty, like "hours", so lame. Now google "demolished thoughts", a record made by well someone (with quite another sun sign) the same age as Bowie when he made "hours" - moving, over-reviewed, a work of genius that has gone down in history already and became a classic the second it hit the shelves.

I am just tired of non-stop "look at us we're so cool" threads created by C.s. the same things repeated over and over. And I'm irritated the likes of you keep saying they know what my inner core is - see, every time I ask you what it is and why you just recoil from answering and keep giving me this troll bs. Do you even know what a troll is? You're not using the term correctly, another one.

If you cannot demonstrate and prove anything except your grandma s sun sign (which doesn't mean C is a good sign, hello?) what's the point in these silly ejaculations? I keep asking you to stop harassing me. You stalk me, find my threads to insult me, this is enough, seriously.

No person happy with themselves and having enough self worth, happy with the size and shape of all of their body parts (yes, all of them) would ever even care about what some user or other says on a forum. Perhaps you should work on liking yourself first or giving yourself a reason to do so, not stalking someone to lecture and accuse them of god knows what.

posted June 07, 2013 06:23 AM            

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^ is there a website called psychoanalysis for dummies you read about inner demons at?

Will you EVER learn to back up your dubious generalisations? You see a valid argument is always backed up in a way that cannot be refuted. If you're so bloody bent upon making a point, why do you keep forgetting to bother? Do you understand plain English? Where is argumentation? There is none. "I think so" is not an argument

And yes the so called "creative" Capricorns is a bit of a joke. So when they start saying creativity is inherent to them yes they should shut up. One of their favourite examples is David Bowie. Meanwhile look at his later work, it's bland, totally off, totally not moving, we have some labour but no real beauty, like "hours", so lame. Now google "demolished thoughts", a record made by well someone (with quite another sun sign) the same age as Bowie when he made "hours" - moving, over-reviewed, a work of genius that has gone down in history already and became a classic the second it hit the shelves.

I am just tired of non-stop "look at us we're so cool" threads created by C.s. the same things repeated over and over. And I'm irritated the likes of you keep saying they know what my inner core is - see, every time I ask you what it is and why you just recoil from answering and keep giving me this troll bs. Do you even know what a troll is? You're not using the term correctly, another one.

If you cannot demonstrate and prove anything except your grandma s sun sign (which doesn't mean C is a good sign, hello?) what's the point in these silly ejaculations? I keep asking you to stop harassing me. You stalk me, find my threads to insult me, this is enough, seriously.

No person happy with themselves and having enough self worth, happy with the size and shape of all of their body parts (yes, all of them) would ever even care about what some user or other says on a forum. Perhaps you should work on liking yourself first or giving yourself a reason to do so, not stalking someone to lecture and accuse them of god knows what.

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Your posts on lindaland - can be taken as irrefutable proof to what I stated regarding your behaviour. There's no need for psychology to see that - just "common sense". Yours on the other hand - such as:

"No person happy with themselves and having enough self worth, happy with the size and shape of all of their body parts (yes, all of them) would ever even care about what some user or other says on a forum."

- are based on what? I'm quite happy with the size and shape of my body parts (yes, all of them). I don't remember complaining or mentioning anything about that - so I'd take that's coming "from you" - a self-projection same as all your hate remarks from above.

Back to Capricorns and dubious generalizations (as you put it) - you said above that: "so called "creative" Capricorns is a bit of a joke. So when they start saying creativity is inherent to them yes they should shut up."

Really? This one - is very easy:

Elvis Presley (Capricorn) - one of the biggest music icons of all time also known as "the king of rock and roll".

Oliver Hardy, Rowan Atkinson, Jim Carrey (Capricorns)- among the biggest comedy icons of all time.

Then, we have other major movie stars such as: Anthony Hopkins, Ben Kingsley, Denzel Washington, Mel Gibson, Cary Grant, Gerard Depardieu, Kevin Costner, Nicolas Cage, Val Kilmer and so on...

posted June 07, 2013 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I can understand your frustration with that kind of perspective. SN/NN are not about renunciation in my experience, they are about trajectory, gravity. Life tends to pull us toward a specific direction because life is an unfolding experience and we are a part of that unfolding. We are not however, bound to follow wherever life pulls us. My comment about starvation was not meant to state that staying in one's comfort zone is an act of self destruction. The point was to underline that staying in one's comfort zone against one's own better judgment is self destructive.

One zen student said, “My teacher is the best. He can go days without eating.”
A second said, “My teacher has so much self-control, he can go days without sleep.”
A third said, “My teacher is so wise that he eats when he’s hungry and sleeps when he’s tired.”

I think the point I was trying to make is that the universe doesn't want you to do anything or go in any specific direction. Where you go and what you do is your responsibility. Fear of, frustration about, and focus on things that have not happened (like one's destiny) only serve to distract us from enjoying our self in the present and the present is where your life is happening.

I want to elaborate a bit on the comment I made earlier:

SN Scorpio 6H is about understanding we are valid to exist, we have a right and reason to exist in the world. Scoprio seeks truth and depth where it is found and the 6H indicates where we naturally fit as a productive and symbiotic cell in the greater organism. These are things you have learned and so you probably feel valid being yourself, feeling what you feel, and doing what you do. You just know that your perspective is valid and important (even if it only ends up being important to you). It's just rational.

Taurus NN 12H is about exploring one's self by appreciating one's inner qualities; learning to really savor the fundamental facets of one's self. Whenever a Node is in the 12H the Nodal lesson involves experiencing things within the confines of one's own world. My SN happens to be in the 12H and much of my life experiences have been about drawing me out of my own world and into the world of others. When NN lives there though, the lesson is about allowing yourself to get lost in your world. Learning to discover the value and beauty of self with the imagination/heart instead of the head (6H). Learning to savor and appreciate our self develops compassion and appreciation for others, which is the whole point of the nodal lesson.

This lesson asks you to stretch your wings beyond rationalization and learn to just revel in the indescribable beauty of your world. To me that doesn't sound like "deny your Scorpio and come to the bovine dark side". To me that says "congratulations, you have come to a point in your existence where you understand Scorpio so well, it can be used as a foundation for understanding how to taste, absorb, and bathe in your world the way a professional Taurus does". Your Scorpio side's fulfillment is not only encouraged, it is praised and further encouraged to invest that experience. When we graduate high school, we don't throw away everything we learned and start fresh in college. We apply the skills acquired in our earlier years to enhance our college experience. The exact thing happens with Nodes. Nodal astrology only shows us the subjects we have taken and which subjects will best lead to a credential our skill-set is tailored toward. You don't have to go to college if you don't want to. You can even hang out at your old high school every day if it makes you happy.

So, why should Scorpio be treated like the bad guy?: It shouldn't, it should be appreciated as a cherished skill and applied toward whatever best fulfills you (which you should discover by using your NN as a cheat sheet).
Why do you have to learn the Taurus lesson?: Because you are already a professional Scorpio. You don't need more Scorpio school to achieve fulfillment. You have all the preparation you need to start exploring the other half of the Scorpio/Taurus energy.

You don't have to paint any specific picture, these are just the paints which happen to be on your palate. If you don't want a Taurus flavored painting, paint the whole thing in Scorpio, or Capricorn, or don't use astrology to paint at all. Astronomy may be able to drop an asteroid on your head for ignoring it, but astrology never will.

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This is beautiful. Well put, Xiiro!

It's really nice to have some wise folks here.

7thGuardian,

thanks for mentioning me, I appreciate it

andstuff,

It's okay if you don't like your Capricorn Sun, really. You have lots of other things in your chart anyway, so!
But please, be more respectful in your communication. We're all here to share and learn, we're all equal here. No one is superior, and even though some things people say about you / your placements upset you, just ignore them.

Deal?

By the way, it applies to everyone, not just andstuff.

posted June 07, 2013 08:58 AM            

I am being stalked and told off for heavens sake. Permanently. This never ends. Nobody's patience is endless. This man (well not a boy anymore if I remember correctly) regularly finds my threads to tell me I'm rubbish. And he refuses to justify it. All that ever happens is this. All he ever says is that it's "obvious" and "common sense". I find this behaviour inadequate. I don't care about him, but he never misses an opportunity to post some condescending rubbish about me. How am I supposed to act? I totally forget he exists until he re emerges with another portion of ejaculations (not a rude word btw, it means a stream of eloquence) but he seems to remember me all the time, not a healthy pattern is it. I can't just nod humbly when someone tries to insult me. I can't take this from anyone. He deserves to be banned for this stalking. And look what an interesting thread turned Into because Of him. I asked him to shut his mouth several times.