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Topic: Out of curiosity: what happens if one acts contrary to ones sun sign, NN etc.?
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andstuff
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posted June 05, 2013 07:29 AM
  
Yes, what happens? If Capricorns start going about their business Aries style or the other way round? If an Aries NN native locks him or herself in family life? I cannot understand, everyone keeps saying something like the destiny starts taking things away and whatnot, is it true? Are there actually stories? What's the deal? IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted June 05, 2013 07:30 AM
This is getting funnier and funnier.------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
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posted June 05, 2013 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
Yes, what happens? If Capricorns start going about their business Aries style or the other way round? If an Aries NN native locks him or herself in family life? I cannot understand, everyone keeps saying something like the destiny starts taking things away and whatnot, is it true? Are there actually stories? What's the deal?
The whole chart has hundreds of interactions between planets, angles, houses, asteroids, aspects etcThe Sun is the strongest energy and so people can be identified by their suns, more than any other planet but it is not foolproof as a person may be identified by his ASC or even his Moon or a planet on the ASC or MC( even) lol ------------------
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Jessica2407
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posted June 05, 2013 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
Yes, what happens? If Capricorns start going about their business Aries style or the other way round? If an Aries NN native locks him or herself in family life? I cannot understand, everyone keeps saying something like the destiny starts taking things away and whatnot, is it true? Are there actually stories? What's the deal?
what do you mean by 'destiny starts taking things away'? IP: Logged |
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posted June 05, 2013 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
This is getting funnier and funnier.
Should I be insulted by your condescension or what? If yes, tough luck, better find yourself some other source of gratification ------------------
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andstuff
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posted June 05, 2013 07:40 AM
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what do you mean by 'destiny starts taking things away'?
Starts tinkering with circumstances in a manner that makes one act in accordance with this karmic purpose or some other (£""&)( concept IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 05, 2013 07:45 AM
^^ ah okay.I believe in this concept to be honest with you. How can destiny take away something you aren't meant to have? or may be that you are meant to have only for a short period of time? or that you are meant to have AT some specific time of your life. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 05, 2013 07:51 AM
Most people aren't aware of their destiny and don't know what they are here for, unless they study astrology (or whatever can help them gain more clarity).
I mean most people live their lives without questioning themselves, so how can they know that they're "not following their destiny"? (by the way, how many people actually believe in destiny? free will sounds more appealing, generally speaking). I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us "fail" badly at living out our purpose here  But I doubt anything outrageous happens, that is, if you're unaware. For more conscious folks, there can definitely be a feeling of unease, like they aren't doing what they should be doing. I think that's usually where apathy and depression come from - following the wrong path, so to speak. Not living up to your potential, wasting resources. Maybe on a soul level, we can sense it when we're not doing what we "should".
My guess is that when we're going against the flow, we get restless and anxious, feeling irritated or just generally unhappy with our lives. That's a major sign we're doing something wrong, imo. So if you're an Aries with zero Cap, a weak Saturn and 10th house, try and be more Cap like.. see where it leads (you're probably gonna get very frustrated!).
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posted June 05, 2013 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
Starts tinkering with circumstances in a manner that makes one act in accordance with this karmic purpose or some other (£""&)( concept
Ohh you mean this. Hmm.. Yep, I guess so.
Usually some event happens that makes you question yourself (it can be anything.. loss, illness, accident.. whatever, as long as it makes an impact).
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andstuff
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posted June 05, 2013 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
So if you're an Aries with zero Cap, a weak Saturn and 10th house, try and be more Cap like.. see where it leads (you're probably gonna get very frustrated!).
No, these are not my placements, I just used that as an example. I'm just trying to understand WHY this should happen. Seems unfair, that's all. Like one obtains something precious and then - oh la-la! - someone up there decided it should be take away, frustration should befall the individual JUST BECAUSE they have not been doing things the way they allegedly should have for some obscure reason. I'm not talking about foul play, I'm talking about doing things in a way thats not in sync with this soul programme. Like probably with the North Node example, Aries NN devoting him/herself to family life, being sweet to others etc. - what would happen to such a person?
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Doux Rêve
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posted June 05, 2013 08:22 AM
I got that it was an example, the 'you' was generalistic, haha.Hm well, that's a difficult question.
I don't think anyone has an answer, we may have opinions on this but truth is, we don't know how exactly the Universe works. Some people believe in karma, some believe in free will, some believe in destiny, and so on. It's hard to understand. I guess things usually happen for a reason, but we don't always know that, until something else happens that makes us realize "whoa, I was supposed to go through X Y Z so that I could find myself here, today, and be the person I am". And there are so many factors in astrology that just because someone has an Aries NN, doesn't mean they can't be a sweet, caring family person.. all it means is that they should work on being more assertive and energetic, more outspoken and brave (and many other things).
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 05, 2013 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
Yes, what happens? If Capricorns start going about their business Aries style or the other way round? If an Aries NN native locks him or herself in family life? I cannot understand, everyone keeps saying something like the destiny starts taking things away and whatnot, is it true? Are there actually stories? What's the deal?
With the north node, supposedly, you gain rewards by demonstrating the traits associated with it. For instance, if it's in Aries, you gain when you are brave, bold, fearless, pioneering, fresh, new, quick acting, independent. These traits will increase good fortune in your life, according to western astrology, while being indecisive, clingy, fair, hesitant, dependent, and balanced will not. It sounds strange but Aries energy is very focused, it's the opposite of Libra, so being focused and only concerned with one single objective benefits people with north node in Aries while being fair to everyone, taking in their point of view, will work against the fortune of Aries north node. They are at their best when they are in situations where they depend on themselves and must act quickly. So, think of it as an example of a missed opportunity because someone with Aries north node failed to act, or waited to make a decision. This is an example of how the south node works against the interests of the north. If the North Node were in Libra, opposite could be said, someone benefits when they take their time, looking at every possible angle before they act, carefully deciding what to do next. They suffer a setback when they are impulsive. I have north node in Pisces, south in Virgo. I notice what happens to me is, if I am very critical or judgmental, my luck gets bad, if I am kind, accepting, sweet, it gets better. IP: Logged |
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posted June 05, 2013 08:43 AM
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Doux Rêve: So if you're an Aries with zero Cap, a weak Saturn and 10th house, try and be more Cap like.. see where it leads (you're probably gonna get very frustrated!).
Yeah that's what I was thinking - if you go against your natural personality traits, it'll probably get very tiresome very fast. Like, take an introvert and make them try to act extroverted! It will wear on them fast, just as if you tried to take a supah fiery person and told them to act calm, think everything through, and wait ten minutes before doing anything (like and earthy person might!  ). IP: Logged |
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posted June 05, 2013 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I have north node in Pisces, south in Virgo. I notice what happens to me is, if I am very critical or judgmental, my luck gets bad, if I am kind, accepting, sweet, it gets better.
this sucks. i don't want luck to turn bad depending on what qualities i manifest, I don't believe this has any right to be this way. aren't we talking personality warping here? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 05, 2013 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
this sucks. i don't want luck to turn bad depending on what qualities i manifest, I don't believe this has any right to be this way. aren't we talking personality warping here?
I don't look at it that way because every sign has unique contributions that need expressing and can benefit others. You have to think about what your soul needs, NN and SN are supposed to be soul based. You are developing what your soul lacks based on what you did in other lifetimes. Like with Aries north node, it's about being too slow about decision making, calm, and overly dependent on others in the past. Now, they must charge ahead, lead, act very quickly based on little information. Their soul desires this experience. People who have no interest in astrology will be drawn into their nodal placements and if you ever look at their charts while knowing something about them personally, you will notice the correlation between the nodal axis and problems they experience. With Virgo south node, people have noticed in the past, I can be too judgmental and they say "Everyone hates your intolerance" which is what being too judgmental boils down to, not tolerating others. So, I have to think, do I want to be hated by everyone or can I move into the Pisces north node and become more accepting and tolerant of everyone's individuality instead of expecting them to conform to what I expect? If I decide to become more accepting, people respond by having less negative opinions. IP: Logged |
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posted June 05, 2013 09:10 AM
@StarlightSmileSupreme: my NN is not Aries, so really I don't knowI just want to be left alone. SN values make me happy enough, I am lacking NOTHING. It's just that I abhor this "learn the lesson the hard way" song and dance, what if something horrible happens to me? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 05, 2013 09:12 AM
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@StarlightSmileSupreme: my NN is not Aries, so really I don't knowI just want to be left alone. SN values make me happy enough, I am lacking NOTHING. It's just that I abhor this "learn the lesson the hard way" song and dance, what if something horrible happens to me?
Just tell me the signs of your nodal axis. Where are your north node and south node, houses too, and I will tell you. What you do with it is up to you  If you don't mind telling, that is. IP: Logged |
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posted June 05, 2013 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Just tell me the signs of your nodal axis. Where are your north node and south node, houses too, and I will tell you. What you do with it is up to you If you don't mind telling, that is.
No I don't, I'd be curious what you see in mine. NN Taurus in the 12th, SN Scorpio in the 6th. And I screwed all the down to earth things, I do not need them. I love cooking, but so what? Will my luck increase in proportion to the quality of my cooking? IP: Logged |
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posted June 05, 2013 09:44 AM
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andstuff: I just want to be left alone. SN values make me happy enough, I am lacking NOTHING.
Aw cool I have a Scorpio NN, Taurus SN! Except mine are in H3 and H9 respectively. Any ways, it is comfortable staying with your SN...very comfortable...why leave?? The answer I've found, any ways, is you will grow and develop more as a person the more you face things that challenge your SN and therefore facilitate growth towards you NN! I'm a selfish, indulgent person, and it's easy for me to relax and let others prattle on around me, sitting on my mound of possessions and people...but that's not growth. For me to grow, I have to learn to share, to give away loyalty and to stand by said loyalty, and to compromise. I'm not sure how a Taurus NN/Scorpio SN would work though...hm... IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 05, 2013 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
No I don't, I'd be curious what you see in mine. NN Taurus in the 12th, SN Scorpio in the 6th. And I screwed all the down to earth things, I do not need them. I love cooking, but so what? Will my luck increase in proportion to the quality of my cooking?
Taurus can be a really beneficial place for NN IF you like earthly possessions. You will attract them. You could have really good luck through unknown circumstances, since it's in the twelfth. You benefit from using your imagination on the earthly level, by being creative. I envision you as a Martha Stewart type. Either that, or making people who are suffering physically comfortable, seeing to their earthly needs. The south node in Scorpio sixth suggest, in a past life, you were gracious about helping others, you worked very hard and could have been a healer of some kind. In this life, it is more personal since twelfth is thought to be the place where you receive from the universe while sixth is you giving to it. You will take it easier and reap material benefits earned in the past. This is a nice combination for physical comforts
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Jessica2407
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posted June 05, 2013 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Just tell me the signs of your nodal axis. Where are your north node and south node, houses too, and I will tell you. What you do with it is up to you If you don't mind telling, that is.
Hey SSS, Would love to hear what you think about NN in libra 10th house, SN in aries 4th house. NN sq mercury,venus and saturn, sextile mars.
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posted June 05, 2013 09:53 AM
^^ You're joking, not being American I didn't know who this Martha is, but when I was told I laughed my head off, the lamest scenario I have heard of, easily. I am a visual artist and I tend to look down on "practical creativity". I once painted bookshelves dark red and their binding golden, but then again so what. I once had a lover taken away from me. It was very obsessive and involved a lot of mutual dependency. Almost as if life took away something that made my SN happy. I am afraid it will do it again if there is someone who lives up to my standards of what love is. So I keep wondering if all I can have is rubbish down to earth commodity £$$££%$%^ IP: Logged |
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posted June 05, 2013 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by andstuff:I have north node in Pisces, south in Virgo. I notice what happens to me is, if I am very critical or judgmental, my luck gets bad, if I am kind, accepting, sweet, it gets better.
right there with ya
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 05, 2013 10:02 AM
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Hey SSS,Would love to hear what you think about NN in libra 10th house, SN in aries 4th house. NN sq mercury,venus and saturn, sextile mars.
Hey Jess, I have seen you chart and I recall a stellium in seven, right, with the sun even though you have the Cancer descendant due to Cap rising, the Leo planets fall in seven, also, then you have north node in Libra. Your chart screams PARTNERSHIPS. You need that close relationship with another, it is what your soul needs and you are VERY serious since one of your seventh house planets is Saturn. I only hope i am remembering your chart correctly. You have sixth, seventh and eighth planets? Regardless, the majority are in the part of the chart where the other person is emphasized, which would be the left while the top of the chart I think of as the impersonal space, like being in a vast urban area, like a city, barely knowing anyone yet surrounded by thousands of people so that you yearn to be connected yet do not experience it, especially if sun or moon are up there and nothing is below the horizon. The bottom half is like a cozy neighborhood where you are on first name basis with many people, and might know them well enough to gossip about their lives, see them everyday, go places with them, visit their homes, etc. This is how view it, anyway. Since your planets are mostly in the "Libra" half as opposed to the "Aries" and your NN is in Libra, it suggests partnerships will be the most important thing, you need closeness with one other person. The squares are just frustrations and challenges to realizing what you need, like, you might tell yourself why you shouldn't be with someone when really, you need them more than anything and it's important to work on the relationship. With a Neptune square, you could find reasons that do not really exist, based on irrational fears, or misinformation. So don't let the squares keep you from expressing what is represented by the north node. I do not let the Sag Mars square or Pluto keep me from the ideals of mine although I probably did some in the past. The squares just block you from realizing what you should be doing so things are delayed. Later, you might wonder, "why did I ever think that, look at how much time I wasted!" IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 05, 2013 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
right there with ya
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