posted July 20, 2013 05:29 AM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
^^^ Hm. . . Is Chrion on the cusp of the 11th in non-equal house systems Anon? Like Ceridwen was speaking about a couple posts back.

Just curious!

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posted July 20, 2013 05:46 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
No, Chiron is at 6th degree in Virgo, 11th cusp starts from 10th degree in Virgo. With Equal it starts from 5th degree so Chiron is in 11th.

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Thank you for responding!

From some astrologer's perspective, that four degree conjunction to your 11th House cusp could be read as Chiron in the 11th. I've read that if a planet is sitting 5 degrees before the beginning of the next house, it's impact will be felt in the next house.

The Twelve Houses by Howard Sasportas

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Planets Near House Cusps

Generally, if a planet falls a few degrees before the end of a house and therefore close to the cusp of the next house, its effect may be felt in both spheres – in its own house as well as in the house which it is near. The orb of influence can even be slightly increased to roughly five degrees, providing that the sign the planet is in is the same sign as the next house cusp.

The sphere of experience associated with one house naturally leads to the next. A planet at the end of a house, and just prior to the cusp of the next, may bring the junction point of these two areas of life into focus. For instance, if Venus is near the end of the 6th house and close to the 7th house cusp, a person may fall in love with and marry (7th) someone he or she has met through a working situation (6th). If Mercury is between the 10th and 11th houses, professional connections (10th) may develop into friendships or contacts with new groups of people (11th).

The astrologer is so often working with an estimated or approximate birth-time that a planet near the cusp of a house might actually belong to the adjacent house. Likewise, given the kinds of discrepancies which occur depending on which house system is used, a planet near a cusp in one system may fall in the neighbouring house in another method. For these reasons, some astrologers believe that a planet placed in the middle of a house has the most reliable influence because it is so firmly established in that domain.

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posted July 20, 2013 05:51 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^^ So that means I will feel the effect of Chiron in both houses? Chiron, the wound that can never be healed, not sure whether I would want it in both houses.

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I don't know if we have quite a good hold on Chiron and how he gives us our wound. We think it might be an inherent wound, a childhood wound but it's possible that it's gained at a later date.

posted July 20, 2013 06:19 AM            

Chiron's wound teaches us and Saturn's stability grounds us.

posted July 20, 2013 06:33 AM            

have you been on LL before? Under another username? I am just curious.

Apart from that I totally agree with you. NOthing is just black or white.

posted July 20, 2013 06:43 AM            

Oh no Ceri, I'm definitely not saying that they are easy experiences at all and I didn't want to downplay anyone's tough transits or natal positions. I just mean that it's sometimes easier to experience that true growth period by keeping that light at the end of the tunnel. I notice that a lot of people suddenly feel like it's NEVER gonna get better and I think those thoughts enhance the pain.

I like to keep the optimistic view of even the most difficult planets because of their enduring impact on our lives.

posted July 20, 2013 07:06 AM            

I also always try to think of the positive of Saturn and Chiron and they DO have positive sides as well.
However, as a personal anecdotal remark it seems to me like I am facing the toughest periods in my life (but also those which led ultimately to the big necessary and GOOD changes) when Tr Saturn was in challenging aspect to Sun, Moon, ASC, Neptune or NN. (ASC, Neptune and NN are conjunct each other anyway).

posted July 20, 2013 07:37 AM            

I have read your posts and what you write is beyond my level of knowledge at this point. I'm hoping to reach the period of enlightenment where I can make sense of the depth you put into your work. I am not a great text learner, naturally. I sometimes fear this forum will be shut down and I won't have the breadth of practical experience that you and other posters have offered so generously.

I wish you all the strength in the world to get through this time in your life and come out with the treasures that come from hard work.

One of the hardest times in my life (which was years ago now) and I've tried to refrain from speaking about your Grandmother passing because of it, was when my progressed descendant moved to my natal Pluto and my own Grandmother passed. For me, it wasn't timely and I felt like my soul was ripped asunder.

My sincerest condolences for the passing of your Grandmother, Ceri. I hope she is at peace now and if you feel she is, I'm certain of it.

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posted July 20, 2013 08:17 AM            

About sun-mercury. I read too fast and thought “cashimi” was “sashimi” and I was like wth haha.

Yes, “I am what I say, I am what I think”. My mind is quite fixed, even as a kid when adults taught me things I didn’t agree with I thought to myself “Like hell you’re gonna brainwash me with that cr*p”. But at the same time, I know my ideas are just subjective and always have room for reasonable doubt, so I (mostly) respect other people’s choices and ideas. It’s not impossible to persuade me or to get me to compromise.

I talk a lot, and use lots of facial expressions, noises and hand-movements. I touch the people whom I talk to a lot and often invade their personal spaces. Funny enough, my mercury is in retrograde, so although I think a lot about a lot of things, I usually withhold my opinions on topics that I consider “important” coz I’d much rather hear other people’s opinions. On topics that I feel very passionate about then I’ll express my thoughts and debate vigorously. I spend a lot of time talking and debating with myself and I also like to play chess alone.

“Sometimes the father is a talkative type”- “This conjunction describes an opportunity for the individual to think for themselves, to form their own ideas, to be a real independent thinker “

He’s not very talkative but he’s different from the fathers that I know. When I was little he once told me that just because he was the father didn’t mean he was always right.

“Whatever the personal history there seems to be a strong urge to break free from it, to wage a revolutionary war against whatever traditions and values one was born into. Frequently, Sun– Uranus types cannot bear to think of themselves as being anything like, or in any way associated with, some authority-figure or regime they encountered when young.

Commonly, the rebellion is against an early father-figure but sometimes it is against one’s country or the political atmosphere in which one was raised, or some other collective influence.

This is very accurate. I was raised in an extremely strict and harsh environment, which restricted the power of expressing myself. I disagree with my family, with traditional values and most of the social rules and politics of my birth country. There were a lot of feelings of being alienated and isolated. “Breaking free” was constantly on my mind, until I actually broke free.

I guess that with sun-uranus, I recognise that everyone is unique and unconventional and therefore, interesting in some way.

posted July 20, 2013 08:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I also always try to think of the positive of Saturn and Chiron and they DO have positive sides as well.
However, as a personal anecdotal remark it seems to me like I am facing the toughest periods in my life (but also those which led ultimately to the big necessary and GOOD changes) when Tr Saturn was in challenging aspect to Sun, Moon, ASC, Neptune or NN. (ASC, Neptune and NN are conjunct each other anyway).

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