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Doux Rêve
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posted July 18, 2013 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone use a different house system than Placidus? If so, why?


In Placidus, my houses are really uneven.

So I've been reading about different house systems and so far the ones that hold the most interest for me are Koch and Porphyry.

Of course some of my planets change houses, so I've been trying to understand how exactly this could affect me.

But I feel like it's the right time to reconsider my natal chart.

I want to keep a close eye on my transits and progressions, to see how they affect me in a given time, and if the house system supports that change.

Will post my discoveries here, if any.

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posted July 18, 2013 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use equal houses most of the time.

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Doux Rêve
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posted July 18, 2013 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you relate to your placements well?
Have you tried using Placidus?

I don't like equal or whole signs systems, they don't seem to fit.

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posted July 18, 2013 10:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Do you relate to your placements well?
Have you tried using Placidus?

I don't like equal or whole signs systems, they don't seem to fit.


I dont think Placidus fits me either.
I prefer equal btw, but its your choice.

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Doux Rêve
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posted July 18, 2013 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it is a personal choice, each astrologer uses what they think works best.

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posted July 18, 2013 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since so much stuff in my chart is close to cusps, switching from one house system to another will place something in the house next to it more often than not.

I don't agree with whole signs, that puts too many planets in house 1 and that doesn't sound like me at all!

Equal house is somewhat like Koch. I like Saturn to be in 7th instead of 8th because I can relate to it better and equal house places it in 7.

Koch and Equal place the sun in house 12. I agree with this more than 11th.

Actually, I was just checking out Astro.com and found an unconventional house system called Azimut and I can really relate to it. It puts five planets, including Venus, and the sun in house 12, afflicted moon and Saturn in 7, Afflicted Mars and Neptune in 1. TBH this is the one that sounds most like my life!

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posted July 18, 2013 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
only Placidus.

(and I have tried several out)

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Doux Rêve
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posted July 18, 2013 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My chart is really unbalanced.
That's why I want to see if there's a way to change that.

The transits are bugging me, though.
Because I can't evaluate their effect properly, I can't tell if I relate to tNeptune in my 10th or 11th more, for example.

And I can always find something that somehow confirms my experiences, but in different places in my chart..

For example: with Neptune in the 11th, I attract people who are Neptunian - somewhat true.
But then again, Neptune is also squaring my DSC, so that could point to it, also.

And if Neptune is actually in the 10th, that makes my life goals blurry - true.
But then again, it also squares my SN / NN - again pointing to a similar manifestation.

Ugh!


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posted July 18, 2013 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For a second I thought I was seeing Meyray's chart!

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posted July 18, 2013 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, they're very similar.

That's why we get each other so well.

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posted July 18, 2013 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I definitely relate more to my Equal house chart than Placidus.

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posted July 18, 2013 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some years ago I did a reading, based on houses, for a woman, who later became one of my closest friends. She was born in Sweden with REALLY unbalanced houses, ridiculously so.
(btw every other system, that has ASC on 1st house and M>C on 10th house cusp, will deliver unbalanced results like these, at certain locations at certain times).


I was very certain she would pick the interpretation based on equal houses to be the right one (I didn`t tell her which one, and even if I did, it woldn`t have mattered anyway, as she has no clue about astrology).

The interpretation based on equal was okayish in accuracy; the one based on Placidus left her literally shaking and wondering how on earth I could have known these things she had never even shared with her close friends.
And despite the unbalnced houses in her chart.

BTW this is her chart http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/Darkdreamer_02/swedenhouses_zpsec0c2613.gif

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posted July 18, 2013 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, wow.

My chart looks perfectly normal compared to hers!

Hmm.. Ceri, you're making me reconsider my decision, now!

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posted July 18, 2013 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jazabel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at the planets that change house position and see which ones describe you better.

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posted July 18, 2013 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both fit, that's the "problem".

I can relate to them both.

Especially because Moon and Saturn are rulers of IC and MC, they naturally rule the 4th and 10th houses in my chart anyway, so that makes it even more difficult to see the difference.

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posted July 18, 2013 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It feels like I'm having an existential crisis.

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posted July 18, 2013 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Both fit, that's the "problem".

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Actually that is a bit of a solution, too.
To have a great impact (if not being angular or connected to the luminaries) the astrology needs to confirm the statement in more ways then one.

For example:
if a chart has Venus in Capricorn trine Saturn - it is a stronger statement about Venus-things being Saturnian in nature as if there was no SAturn aspect AND sign-placement.


However, while I am not fond of the argument "it fits" (cause what fits? How? From whose perspective? In what timeframe of your life? and have you just considered an isolated aspect or seen it in context of the whole chart?), at least consider the rulerships as well.

I do use this argument occasionally as well (with the caveats in brackets, of course lol), and for me it pretty much boils down to the 5th house.

5th house in Taurus, with ruler of 5th in Caprricorn, squared by Pluto on MC (which rules 11th and 12th house), that is me in a nutshell in terms of my sexual identity (and no I am not too happy about it most of thet ime).
But ONLY in the totality of the configuration I just mentioned, with signbackground, rulerships, aspects - connecting different houses through tenancy and rulership-.

Aries on the cusp of 5th house, ruler of 5th house in Sagittarius conjunct Neptune and ASC, sounds nice to me (I am always one for imagination, evasiveness, dreaminess and so on), but it is not how I act in reality, when it comes to love and romance and sex.
I am NOT outgoing in this regard, at all. I am also not too dreamy interestingly, even though I have this tendency in other areas of my life.
I am pretty much earthy in this regard, with a kind of introverted intensity.

So in this instance I will say it, too. ARies on the 5th housecusp with ruler in sagittarius? Not me at all.

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posted July 18, 2013 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Oh, wow.

My chart looks perfectly normal compared to hers!




Yes, it seems really ridiculous to interprete her chart with Placidus houses, yet this is what depicts her life perfectly. Not in an idealized way, but in a very - this happened- kind of way.

Mars on IC - Sun/Saturn-on MC, squaring Neptune there, what would YOU think it means?


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posted July 18, 2013 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sixth house stelliums can bring a lot of clearness and objectivity to the world.

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posted July 18, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've tried looking at house rulers, too, of course.

Mainly the 5th / 11th house rulers, because they change from one system to another.

In Placidus, 5th house cusp is in Leo, and Virgo is intercepted.
In other systems, ruler becomes Mercury.

That makes the Sun & Mercury rulers of my 5th, and they're conjunct in Scorpio.

But weird thing is, I do not relate either of them to 5th house matters *at all*.

If someone's planet makes an aspect to my Sun or Mercury, I do not experience that as sexual or even romantic attraction.
How come?

That's why I don't look at house rulers that much.. they just don't seem to fit in my case.

Like I have Venus ruling my 6th *and* 12th house, and Mars ruling 12th house..

It's all so confusing!

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posted July 18, 2013 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jazabel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Both fit, that's the "problem".

I can relate to them both.

Especially because Moon and Saturn are rulers of IC and MC, they naturally rule the 4th and 10th houses in my chart anyway, so that makes it even more difficult to see the difference.



The position of the Moon shows where one feels most comfortable.
With Moon in the 5th (PLC) , you like to go out and have fun with friends, love the arts, parties, clubs, a bit of gambling, painting, dancing, being in love most of the time.
With Moon in 4th house ( Porph), you are a homebody. You feel most comfortable in your own home. Cooking, watching tv, having friends coming over rather then going out.

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posted July 18, 2013 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That makes the Sun & Mercury rulers of my 5th, and they're conjunct in Scorpio.

But weird thing is, I do not relate either of them to 5th house matters *at all*.

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How would you expect them to "behave"?
And in what way do you experience them differently from what you would expect?

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posted July 18, 2013 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starlight,

Thanks..

Jazabel,

I love being at home.
But I do like socializing, too, and feel happy around creative people.
Again, both fit.

Ceri,

House rulers are always difficult to understand for me..

I don't even know where to start.

Let's use Placidus:

Sun & Mercury rule the 5th.
They're conjunct in Scorpio in the 6th.

So this tells me, that I'm picky in my romantic partners, and that I want depth and feelings in my romantic relationships (right?).
Sex is not a casual thing for me and I can feel awkward (Virgo, 6th house).

^ That's how I would interpret it.

But what role does Leo / the Sun play here?
That could very well apply to ruler of 5th Mercury (Virgo) in Scorpio in the 6th, by itself.

I don't see how Leo rules my 5th house.
Maybe the fact that I'm quite dramatic when it comes to my affections? (but that could be the Moon in the 5th).

I guess it does fit in a way, in my natal chart at least, but I'm not so sure when it comes to synastry.

Anyway, I do feel like Placidus works better for me, so maybe this whole thread is kinda pointless.

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I only use whole houses for vedic astrology, the houses don't change either because the sign changes too, see how it works?

It does change with tropical and that's inaccurate.

I primarily use placidus with tropical.

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posted July 18, 2013 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use a mix of whole sign and equal house system. I keep the AC's degree as a sensitive point for each house but within a whole sign house system.

I do that because it makes sense to me to keep things simple. and whole sign/equal are simple. I do not understand the placidus.

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