posted July 25, 2013 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by orocairion:
Sorry for bumping in, but this piqued my interest
Like being interested or in love with someone?

I have Venus semi-square Mars, and I can relate to that.

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How about this?

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In this lifetime the erotic impulses of human love, desire and sexual relationships are a highly charged focus of your attention. Expressing your sexual energies and personal magnetic attractiveness in ways that are loving and respectful or at least not harmful to yourself and others will be one of your issues. Dominating others through your sexuality, or allowing yourself to be dominated in this way is also a theme. Dissonance or turbulence in intimate relationships, especially over differences in sexual drives, or needs, must be handled with care. Expressing your passion in ways that are compatible with your own values and sense of beauty is the key here.

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I don't think I really have this problem.. I am pretty respectful when it comes to my sexually.

The gist of this; don't be a hoe bag..! lmfao

posted July 25, 2013 05:38 AM            

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THE QUINTILE SERIES – DIVISION OF THE CIRCLE BY FIVE

The quintile is an aspect of 72 degrees and the bi-quintile 144 degrees. It is possible and totally in line with harmonic theory to continue dividing the circle by multiples of five, to arrive at the vigintile (18 degrees), the decile (36 degrees) and the tredecile (108 degrees). However, whilst these latter aspects do form part of the quintile series, only the very tightest orbs should be employed for them, in fact perhaps no orb at all beyond that of a couple of minutes.

The reader is strongly encouraged to look at the work of John Addey, Charles Harvey, David Hamblin and others, which has done much to throw light on the quintile series and the nature of ‘fiveness’.

Hamblin has isolated and promoted the notion of ‘style’ as being descriptive of the quintile aspect, so that a quintile will say something not only about an individual’s personal style but also about the style and technical quality of their creative work. With respect to fiveness, Hamblin quotes Leonard Bosnan (The Meaning and Philosophy of Numbers) which I would also like to do here:

Five, according to its root meaning, is the number of harvesting, of arranging the ‘sheaves’ of the produced Substance, the hitherto potential substance which now becomes matter . . . The number five represents that Cosmic process during which Matter is qualified, separated into kinds, and arranged, like the harvest for use.

This description of fiveness sounds to me very like Virgo, which is ruled by Mercury, the planet that a numerologist would normally attribute to the number five. In fact tentatively linking the ideas associated with Mercury to the quintile series is a good way of beginning to gain some understanding of this aspect.

The relationship between the mind and the quintile series has long been made, which also sounds very Mercurial. More precisely, John Addey links this aspect with the idea of imposing one’s mind on the world.

If quintiles describe style, perhaps we can go one step further and say that a quintile aspect will describe how we might communicate or give form to our mental processes either orally, through the written word or through the use of our hands. Hamblin also points out that the quintile series is strongly emphasised in the charts of people who are preoccupied with making, forming, linking and arranging things.

In his book Harmonics in Astrology, John Addey suggests that the quintile series describes the kind of art a person is drawn to. He also links this series with the urge to power, ‘the prelude of all creation, the desire to dominate some kind of material’. Knowledge is power, as is the idea that gives birth to some kind of creation. Addey also associates the number five with the character of a marriage. One aspect of marriage might also be considered Mercurial for it is about linkage and connection. If we take the word ‘marry’ in the widest and truest sense, it means to unite, and the quintile aspect is concerned with the impulse to unite an idea with some kind of material substance. As Addey says:

Every artist (using that word to include every kind of human art – that of the sculptor, the town planner, the cook, the politician, the doctor) envisages an idea or ideal or formal principle and, wishing to express it, asks himself how he can make it a manifest reality.

The artist (again using this term in the widest possible sense) is also usually ‘married’ to his or her creative work. Bill Tierney says that quintiles ‘seem to describe the potential of abilities normally considered exceptional or gifted, and abilities that are not necessarily developed or conditioned by experiences in the external environment’.

Because division of the circle by five, seven and nine does yield such exceptional, specific and rarified qualities, these aspects do not lend themselves very well to conventional ‘cookbook’ interpretations. By its very nature the ‘cookbook’ will tend to deal with the general, rather than the specific, those things common to all of humanity rather than the peculiarities and exceptional talents of the very few. Thus whilst there is David Hamblin’s excellent book Harmonic Charts available, on the whole, the quintile, septile and novile aspects require more individual, refined and specific attention than is usually the case when examining ‘ordinary’ aspects.

Perhaps looking at some examples of quintiles might be useful here. Let’s consider a Sun– Saturn quintile for instance. Here the individual might adopt a personal style of self-control, self-discipline, self-protectiveness and seriousness. Their creative gifts might involve planning and structuring. The mind might tend to work along quite ordered and systematic lines. The kind of psychology that might be associated with Sun– Saturn aspects, and in particular with the kind of hard aspect interpretations in the ‘cookbook’ section of this book, would not apply. If the quintile was describing anything about the father (and I believe it would still be doing so) it would describe him also as being rather self-controlled and serious and perhaps having creative gifts with respect to structuring and planning. In fact I know of someone who has this contact whose father designs shop layouts, gardens and the like – the former as a vocation, the latter as a hobby. He works out the layout, the overall structure, and decides what will go where. And the person with the aspect thinks a good deal and comments on architecture.

I have Jupiter in the 10th house bi-quintile Saturn in the 3rd. My work involves writing and generally communicating about astrology, which might be termed an old philosophy of time: Jupiter– Saturn. This is the way I impose my mind on the world, this is my kind of art and describes what I think about.

In our example (Fig. 11, See here), Jane Austen has a lot of quintile aspects. Mercury quintiles the Ascendant, which is very fitting for a writer but perhaps we should not take this too seriously as her birth-time may not be that exact. However, she does certainly have Mercury quintile Neptune, which is ideal for imaginative thinking and creative writing. More striking though, is the fact that the Sun and Moon quintile each other as do Venus and Mars, which both also bi-quintile Jupiter.

If I was to see Venus, Mars and Jupiter linked in a chart by the usual hard or soft aspects I would expect the individual’s love-life to be very interesting. The combination would be descriptive of a person who would just have to have a very full romantic and sexual life in real life. In fact, especially with the hard aspects, one might expect the individual frequently to be juggling with several partners at the same time, even in the eighteenth century when such behaviour might have been less acceptable. In fact, whilst she undoubtedly was very romantic and dreamed of the perfect romance, Jane Austen never married and, I think it’s safe to say, never ‘slept around’ either. Reasons for this can be found quite easily in the chart; the Neptune rising in Virgo (ruler of the 7th house) semi-square Venus and Neptune squaring the Sagittarian Sun all speak of great romanticism and idealism. A romanticism that might render a person unable or unwilling to shatter their dreams by entering into anything less than the perfect union. Certainly this is not the chart of a woman who would marry for reasons of economic or social survival as women of the day and the lesser characters in her books did.

The Venus– Mars– Jupiter quintiles show very clearly in her creative work though. All her books concern themselves with romance and in particular, with the coming together of the young woman (Venus) with the young man (Mars). Members of the clergy (Jupiter) also inevitably crop up as suitors and potential marriage partners. Her own father (Sun in Sagittarius conjunct IC square Neptune plus Jupiter on the MC) was a rector.

The quintile between the Sun and Moon is also indicative of creative thinking which is concerned with the marrying of masculine and feminine principles.

John Addey has commented on what he sees as the ‘obsessional’ quality of the quintile, and this I take to mean the kind of obsession where the mind continually gravitates towards the same subject. With both Sun– Moon and Venus– Mars linked by quintile, perhaps one might say that Jane Austen was obsessed with thinking about relationship. Because the linkages are by quintile aspect though, this concern with relationship did not manifest in an exterior form in her life but instead described what dominated her thinking, the way she imposed her mind on the world, and the subject matter of her art.

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posted July 25, 2013 05:55 AM            

It should make itself felt being that tight, right?

posted July 25, 2013 05:57 AM            

I have a few minor aspects, of which three of them include my chart ruler and the other four my Sun. All of them do feel personal - reading posts about aspects between those planets in general does resonate.

I stumbled upon this website that lists some info on the sesquisquare. Does any of it fit for you all?
http://learn-astrology-concepts.blogspot.nl/2013/02/sesquisquare.html

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
Kero! Your interpretation makes so much sense for my closest Sesquiquadrate. It's between my Sun and Saturn. The Sun rules my 5th House and Saturn rules my MC.

I'll have these sudden bursts of explosive energy, wacky, childish "I'm having the best time because I can" sort of thing. Then, the next thing you know, my authoritative side comes in and rains on my parade. I'll internally say things like "Wtf are you doing? You're making a fool of yourself."

What's awesome though is that I can see that when I was a kid, the sesquiquadrate was fulfilled by authority figures, parents and teachers, etc. I would ALWAYS act wacky and crazy in front of others but then a teacher or parent would tell me to calm down, that I can't be so expressive.

Oooh, this is so interesting to break down!

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Haha, thanks for sharing! I have this aspect to and yes, that's it, eternal doubt about whether to act fun and wild and being serious. Like you, I'd get people worked up over it and saying, "You're making us look like an idiot!"

posted July 25, 2013 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Moon quintile Mars
orb: 0°04

It should make itself felt being that tight, right?

BTW I have Hamblins book. VERY interesting, especially in terms of synastry.

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Hey there Ceri. Thank you for the book recommendation! I'm always on the look out for new information.

I bet it would be felt with an orb that tight. I'll put up a snippet of Moon-Mars to see if any of it resonates with you.

I guess the short interpretation for the Quintile series would be that you may obsess mentally over the planet's connection and this may present itself in your creative efforts. Though it isn't acted out physically with others in your space.

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MOON– MARS

Fierce protection. Quick nurturing response. Sensitivity to discord. Angry feelings. Emotional conflict. Sexual feelers.

Rather like Sun– Mars, those with hard aspects between the Moon and Mars have a very strong need to ‘do’, to act, to roll up their sleeves and get on with the project in hand. Commonly there is much activity around the domestic scene, and the home is often not so much a place to retreat from where the individual may recharge their batteries, as the reason for those batteries getting run down in the first place. Typically, there are lots of comings and goings and snatched meals. The individual may find this exhilarating or exhausting depending upon the nature of the aspect, the overall feel of the chart and the condition of the 4th house in particular.

Usually there is plenty of emotional action in the individual’s life, together with internal emotional conflict. Often the individual finds it difficult to integrate their need to take one course of action in order to feed one emotional need whilst having to take a different course of action in order to feed some different, seemingly conflicting emotional need. For example, safety, home, familiarity versus independence and sexual excitement. Sometimes there is emotional action in the life, as in arguments and plates flying around. Frequently though, the individual will have come from such an atmosphere and may take pains not to repeat it. All Moon– Mars contacts give rise to people who are very sensitive to any kind of conflict as well as any kind of threat.

Although Moon– Mars combinations may be associated with ‘touchy’ behaviour and sometimes a tendency to fly off the handle very easily, people with the hard aspects especially, often find it difficult to express their anger. Whilst this may result in them going overboard in attempting to make their position abundantly clear, it may also sometimes result in the individual being unable to express their anger, perhaps through fear of the consequences. The fixed signs are especially prone to hold on to their rage and then just letting rip every once in a while, whilst the mutable signs tend to express their anger through irritability and carping behaviour.

Some Moon– Mars people speak of an early home life (and this is especially the case with the opposition, I have found) where the parents or other family figures ‘never argued’ but nevertheless were extremely angry with each other. Typically the Moon– Mars child would have picked up on all the unexpressed rage and, like a sponge, absorbed it.

Charles Carter describes the Moon– Mars type as usually kind-hearted, sympathetic and keen to help. Certainly people with this combination are nearly always very protective.

Basically, people with these contacts have to integrate their need to assert themselves with their need to feel safe. On the whole the Moon– Mars person is a very good individual to have on your side, for they will seek to take care of you. With the hard aspects though, the individual may sometimes act like a mother whose children are about to be snatched away from her or accused of something. The problem with the hard aspects especially is, as always, the possibility of going too far and in this case, jumping in too quick. The Moon– Mars type may jump in and fight your battles, well before you even realised you were at war.

Basically, the feelings of this type are very easily and very quickly aroused. The person is usually used to feeling unsafe and is very quick to smell danger and thus cultivates speedy reactions and responses – the kind of reactions that sometimes save lives. Like Sun– Mars, Moon– Mars may be courageous, enterprising and fearless. To feel is to act for Moon– Mars. The problem may be that they react out of habit, and out of habit they may expect conflict. It can take those with the hard aspects a long time to realise that they and their loved ones are not continually under threat and that there is no reason to believe or behave as if World War III is about to break out at any moment, or that it might do so if one makes the wrong response. Sometimes, because the type is so frightened of conflict they can go too far in rushing to the defence, so it may well be a Moon– Mars person who ends up firing the first shot. The need to protect the self and more especially one’s family and others with whom there is an emotional bond is usually keenly developed with all aspects. Not uncommonly, the family were threatened in some way in childhood, if not by anger or violence within the household, then by some threat from outside.

As has been said, frequently those with these contacts came from highly volatile families where the mother-figure especially might be expected to explode at any moment.

One man with the opposition in his chart described to me how threatened he still often feels when confronted with what he sees as very assertive women. He found his own mother to be very explosive, whilst the father was very passive and seemingly unable to express his anger in any direct kind of way. Apparently his mother was the kind of person to make scenes in restaurants and pick fights with his schoolteachers. He describes himself now as ‘very sensitive to discord’ and ‘reluctant to break any kind of emotional atmosphere’. A key phrase for this combination might well be ‘fiercely protective’ and as well as saying something about the individual it will often be describing the mother-figure in an exaggerated and caricatured way. I have known cases where the mother was so pushy and lived so much in expectation of some danger befalling her offspring that she went everywhere with the child. Sometimes she competes with the child and thus on another level unconsciously wants something awful to happen to the child (it works both ways of course: Moon– Mars people often fantasise about shooting their mother!).

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If you want more of this, I'll paste the rest! Please tell us your thoughts on your quintile.

posted July 25, 2013 06:59 PM            

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posted July 25, 2013 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:

I don't think I really have this problem.. I am pretty respectful when it comes to my sexually.

The gist of this; don't be a hoe bag..! lmfao

I remember seeing your picture, you seemed pretty tame to me.
It's always the nice looking guys that are complete freaks in the sheet hmmm -_O

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LOL. You are right, actually. I do look tame(probably thanks to my Pisces asc), but I'm not. I guess that's why girls tend to act shocked whenever they find out about my tastes.

posted July 25, 2013 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by orocairion:
LOL. You are right, actually. I do look tame(probably thanks to my Pisces asc), but I'm not. I guess that's why girls tend to act shocked whenever they find out about my tastes.

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Why, what kind of tastes would shock a girl so much?

posted July 25, 2013 11:29 PM            

Here's a hint, for fun:

posted July 25, 2013 11:30 PM            

I would probably do that for him lmfaooo. I am a little bit sadistic..

posted July 25, 2013 11:33 PM            

No no no. I couldn't do that. I'm masochistic far more than sadistic. Okay let's not let the thread take a nose dive? Unless you continue talking about it, it's your thread after all!

posted July 25, 2013 11:40 PM            

I always wonder what makes someone go kink and not look back.

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It's always the quiet ones. . .

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posted July 25, 2013 11:40 PM            

I have mars square neptune and uranus!

Fetishes are so fascinating to me, but I have none what so ever. :/ Wait no.. I like twins.. a lot!

I wouldn't mind making their sick fantasies a reality...

posted July 25, 2013 11:47 PM            

Hm. . . Mars square Neptune and Uranus. That's interesting. Tension caused between your Drive, Fantasies and the Unusual.

I've noticed that the Dominant ones have heavy Saturn, they want to control and they do so overtly.

Pluto is subtle though. I always wonder if Pluto is heavy in the chart of the submissive. Allowing themselves to be taken on that journey into kinkland.

posted July 25, 2013 11:58 PM            

I told ya, we need other people's experiences to stave off our increasing interest in the weird and wonderful.

You are supposed to go next after I tell one anyways.

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