posted July 24, 2013 11:35 PM            

I've read on some sites that the semi-square, semi-quiquadrate, quintile are purely mathematical and have nothing to do with astrology.

posted July 25, 2013 12:02 AM            

Sometimes I think minor aspects are only considered minor because more math is involved whereas trines and squares for example are seen easily (ie look for planets around the same degree in a sign sharing element/mode). It's kinda hard to locate a quintile for example, or a semisquare, but I don't think they should just be disregarded.

I also think it's interesting to try looking at aspects with numerology and zodiac goggles. Example...the trine cuts the zodiac into three slices (trines are formed by 120 degrees and that is one third of 360) and what is the nature of the trine? There's a commune between the planets involved, promoting ease and a flow of energy. And what sign rules communication? Gemini.

Edit! Whoever says math has nothing to do with astrology is clearly ignorant, because astrology IS math. Other aspects are purely mathematical too - if they weren't, then you could say every planet in the same element is trine, but you can't because degrees are involved, numbers are involved, math is involved. What is a sextile but half of a trine? Sextiles and semisquares are more similar than one would think...

posted July 25, 2013 12:08 AM            

We could do this a different way though. If you have say a Quintile or Semi-square aspect in your chart, I could put up the interpretation and you could tell us if it's correct for you or if it's totally off.

What do you say?

@SomethingExcellent:

posted July 25, 2013 12:12 AM            

Yeah I find a lot of these astrologers seem to know very little about astronomy and just find the 'sciencezy" part confusing. I agree with you on how ignorant it is..

LOL I just realized that bit about minor aspects and math was on that librarising site. The biggest joke in the world of astrology.

Aww are you sure msprism?

Can you just scan them or something?
I would not want you to type everything, if it's too long etc.
Gosh I need to buy astrology books myself..

Hmm I was wondering about Venus semisquare mars actually!

posted July 25, 2013 12:34 AM            

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Kerosene: Venus semisquare mars

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I'm going to try to reason and intuit it based on what I know about Venus/Mars and semisquares.

I think in this case, your Venus and Mars energies are at a conflict, but not with each other, with outside forces, the world. Here, you have your ideals on one hand, things you want to have, a relationship you want, but then on the other hand, you have things you want to do, things you want to prove and be, and though they may not seem to conflict with each other, together they cause problems with one another.

Here your Venus may want someone to walk and talk with, someone you can hold hands with but they aren't going to drag you home and lock you up. Buuuut then you have your Mars who also wants someone you can fight with, who can be able to stand up to you and vice versa. So now you have to choose, do I want chat and watch sunsets and laugh at the pollution in the air or do I want to run away from them because they have to prove themselves first.

And then that might be the juggling of masculine and feminine that one interpretation mentioned - you'll react in polar ways at different times, depending on who's being stimulated, Venus or Mars, by the other person, by the situation you're in, etc.

posted July 25, 2013 12:35 AM            

Anyway, the book is by Sue Tompkins and she explains the aspects generally while usually focusing on the hard ones. I'll give you her description of the Semi-Square and then the description of Mars and Venus contact. We can try to flesh out the meaning of yours, like the Three Musketeers!

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Aspects in Astrology - Sue Tompkins

THE SEMI-SQUARE AND SESQUIQUADRATE – DIVISION OF THE CIRCLE BY EIGHT

I am not exactly clear as to the exact difference between these aspects and the square but certainly they are not necessarily any weaker than that aspect. These are not ‘minor’ aspects. A tight semi-square or sesquiquadrate will undoubtedly be far more important than a wide square aspect. For the sake of ease, for the rest of this section, reference will mostly only be made to semi-squares but the reader can take such discussion to include both semi-square and sequiquadrate aspects. I have noticed one of the differences between squares and semi-squares through looking at the horoscopes for the times of accidents. These charts are often full of trines and oppositions but noticeably lacking in squares. Typically, earth is also the weakest element and Saturn is weakly placed for reasons that will become obvious. However, there is usually no lack of semi-square and sesquiquadrate aspects.

There are many exceptions to this but these usually occur when the accident is not a fait accompli and there is perhaps an extreme fight for life or some other kind of exceptional struggle.

One might expect trines to feature prominently in accident charts because they allow the unimpeded flow of energy.

I suggest that squares are less common because they block, impede, hinder and inhibit the free flow of energy. Thus in the case of the outbreak of a fire for example, squares in the chart might suggest that the fire would be less likely to get out of hand because it would meet with resistance. This illustrates very clearly I think that squares are not necessarily ‘bad’ news and neither are trines necessarily ‘good’ news. In this example, a multitude of trines would indicate good news from the point of view of the fire for it would be easy for it to grow and burn on without hindrance. Oppositions induce extremism and thus are common in accident charts, as are conjunctions (especially to the angles), because they give rise to a build-up of planetary energy.

According to Charles Harvey, semi-squares and sesquiquadrates ‘can be remarkably productive of solid concrete results’. Personally I suspect that this is because these aspects do not have the uncertainty and hesitant quality of the square aspect. Because they are so purposeful, it is as if nothing can stand in the way of the concrete release of these aspects. They manifest and become actualised in a very obvious exterior way in the world. In other words, these aspects precipitate events. Squares do this too of course but whereas the energy of a square often gets blocked for a time because of the difficulty and uncertainty of integrating two energies that are at variance, semi-squares tend to force some kind of release. From the point of view of an individual’s psychology and early developmental history, in my experience the semi-squares and sesquiquadrates do differ from the other hard aspects. People do not usually relate so much to the psychology of planetary interchanges linked by these aspects. This could be because such psychology does not exist or because it is different, or as I believe to be the case, because it is more deeply buried in the unconscious. Unconscious aspects of our psyche are more likely to erupt violently in unexpected happenings in our lives. As soon as we become aware of something, the symbolism of our chart starts to get lived out in much less dramatic ways. As we become aware of the deeper facets of our nature we start to exercise more choice and have more control over our lives. I suggest that the reason why semi-squares and sesquiquadrates manifest so readily in terms of outward events is simply because of the greater unconsciousness of these aspects. To support this theory one might also cite the fact that astrologers themselves are only starting to become conscious of the importance of these aspects even though they have been known about for centuries. The same could of course be said of quintiles, which were discovered by Kepler in the early 1600s but largely ignored until recent years.

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VENUS– MARS THE ROMANTIC ADVENTURER.

Love and competition. Romantic triangles. Sexual love. Assertion and compromise. Putting energy into beauty. Fighting for money.

All aspects between these planets are to be found in individuals renowned for their charm, warmth and personal magnetism. All other things being equal, these people radiate ‘personality’.

With all contacts, Mars seems to give vigour to Venus whilst Venus softens the Mars principle.

This is also a highly creative combination with, as always, the hard aspects being the productive ones and likely to be found in the charts of those who actually do something creative whilst the soft aspects often describe the enjoyment of playing at some creative talent, or appreciative ability. Not commonly, Venus– Mars interchanges (and I have found this repeatedly when there is not even a Venus– Mars contact but an emphasis on the Venus and Mars signs Taurus and Aries in the chart) yield talent with textiles, fabrics and colour and they can be useful for those who design and work with cloth. Or for those who sew. One woman I know, with a tight square between these planets, designs her own fabric, mostly batik, and makes various cushions, pictures and garments out of silk.

The combination is also found in singers, musicians and actors and doubtless in many other occupations, although personally, I do not associate Venus– Mars with art (as in painting) so much as creative, craft-type pursuits. Presumably this combination is concerned with doing something with that which is beautiful or aesthetically pleasing. One might also expect artistic competition with this combination; situations where the individual might have to fight for their art, or their ability to make money out of that art.

But if the creative talents of Venus– Mars are interesting, the relationships are likely to be even more so, for this combination belongs to the person who cannot really be happy unless in a warm and loving sexual relationship. Whilst depending on the sign and house placements to some extent, those with this combination strong often give out very strong sexual vibes. The typical Venus– Mars person is erotic and sensual without even trying. This combination is usually not only particularly interested in, but usually better able to relate to, the opposite sex – possibly because those with the hard aspects, especially, often tend to be competitive with their own sex. Venus– Mars types are rarely on their own for long and falling in love seems to come particularly easy to those with this combination prominently placed in their charts. The much-used cliché about ‘loving in haste and repenting at leisure’ is often very applicable with the hard aspects especially. The type often marries young and often a childhood sweetheart. In the days when couples having sexual relations ‘had’ to get married, Venus– Mars was very much a signature of the so-called ‘shotgun wedding’. Arguably, society is kinder to Venus– Mars contacts now than it used to be as these conventions no longer apply for most people.

Frequently, those with the hard aspects have an early history where love involved competition. There was usually some sort of early fighting for affection in the household, either the parents with each other or the child feeling that they were in competition with one parent for the affection of the other. Commonly, too, one or both parents had a lover outside the marriage, so that those in the home could be said to have been in competition with the lover. That’s how Venus– Mars might view it anyway. Sometimes the issue of romantic and sexual competition comes about because the individual is raised in a family where all the offspring are of the same sex and similar age and they end up in competition with each other for girlfriends or boyfriends.

In any event, those with Venus– Mars hard aspects tend to have a vague notion that if they are not careful they are going to miss out on something and end up living life out in the cold, and without a relationship – and for Venus– Mars it would be difficult to imagine a bleaker prospect. So there is often an impulsiveness in Venus– Mars people about getting romantically involved, a tendency to jump in feet first as if in some sort of competition to hook the best lover in the shortest possible time. There is often a belief on the part of the Venus– Mars person that everyone else is after the object of their affections. Often they are. I know of no combination as likely to get itself involved in extramarital affairs and complicated romantic triangles as this one – though it may be their partner that is romantically involved in two places at once.

Amongst other things, such goings on can add spice to life and those with this combination like a bit of zest in their romantic adventures – and adventure is what the Venus– Mars individual thrives on; there is usually an enormous amount of energy invested in romantic and sexual involvements.

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There's a fair bit more to the Venus-Mars aspect interpretation but I didn't want to overload you if it just doesn't click. If it does and you want the rest, I'm at your service!

posted July 25, 2013 12:43 AM            

All of that resonates with me!!!!

posted July 25, 2013 12:49 AM            

So let's try to define the semi-square from your experience with it Kero.

What are the stipulations of a semi-square, for you? Like if you were going to read it between any two planets.

posted July 25, 2013 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
According to Charles Harvey, semi-squares and sesquiquadrates ‘can be remarkably productive of solid concrete results’. Personally I suspect that this is because these aspects do not have the uncertainty and hesitant quality of the square aspect. Because they are so purposeful, it is as if nothing can stand in the way of the concrete release of these aspects. They manifest and become actualized in a very obvious exterior way in the world. In other words, these aspects precipitate events. Semi-squares tend to force some kind of release. From the point of view of an individual’s psychology and early developmental history, in my experience the semi-squares and sesquiquadrates do differ from the other hard aspects.

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So basically semisquares are bursts of energy between the two planets, kinda like fire crackers.

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Amongst other things, such goings on can add spice to life and those with this combination like a bit of zest in their romantic adventures – and adventure is what the Venus– Mars individual thrives on; there is usually an enormous amount of energy invested in romantic and sexual involvements.

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This is true I invest way too much time on relationships.

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The type often marries young and often a childhood sweetheart. In the days when couples having sexual relations ‘had’ to get married, Venus– Mars was very much a signature of the so-called ‘shotgun wedding’. Arguably, society is kinder to Venus– Mars contacts now than it used to be as these conventions no longer apply for most people.

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posted July 25, 2013 01:09 AM            

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MsPrism: So let's try to define the semi-square from your experience with it Kero.

What are the stipulations of a semi-square, for you? Like if you were going to read it between any two planets.

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Ok u didn't ask me, but...the semisquare is half a square, so you can start from there. Now to add another dimension, the semisquare cuts the zodiacal wheel into eight pieces, so think of other things that have themes of eight: Scorpio, H8, so on. The theme of eight seems to be change, adaptation, but not only that, it regards outside forces - H8 is inheritance whereas as H2 is income, for example.

posted July 25, 2013 01:10 AM            

I'll have these sudden bursts of explosive energy, wacky, childish "I'm having the best time because I can" sort of thing. Then, the next thing you know, my authoritative side comes in and rains on my parade. I'll internally say things like "Wtf are you doing? You're making a fool of yourself."

What's awesome though is that I can see that when I was a kid, the sesquiquadrate was fulfilled by authority figures, parents and teachers, etc. I would ALWAYS act wacky and crazy in front of others but then a teacher or parent would tell me to calm down, that I can't be so expressive.

posted July 25, 2013 01:20 AM            

But ahem, what other minor aspects are either of you wondering about? Maybe even an example? I'm feelin' lucky tonight! I mean, I'm not some wealth of knowledge, but I like trying to work through things. Hone my astro claws!

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Oooh, this is so interesting to break down!

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posted July 25, 2013 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
So to think of things like that, you get two planets that invigorate one another when stimulated by outside forces, that may combine to create conflicting dynamics when inspired by the situation they're in. They aren't in direct conflict, but you still seem to have an inharmonious situation of which you might not know the origins.

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Woh. You are suspiciously intuitive. That sounds very astute S.E. (P.S. I need a better nickname for you! )

posted July 25, 2013 01:23 AM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
Kero! Your interpretation makes so much sense for my closest Sesquiquadrate. It's between my Sun and Saturn. The Sun rules my 5th House and Saturn rules my MC.

I'll have these sudden bursts of explosive energy, wacky, childish "I'm having the best time because I can" sort of thing. Then, the next thing you know, my authoritative side comes in and rains on my parade. I'll internally say things like "Wtf are you doing? You're making a fool of yourself."

What's awesome though is that I can see that when I was a kid, the sesquiquadrate was fulfilled by authority figures, parents and teachers, etc. I would ALWAYS act wacky and crazy in front of others but then a teacher or parent would tell me to calm down, that I can't be so expressive.

Oooh, this is so interesting to break down!

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Would'nt saturn/sun make you extra bossy? Are you a control freak, maybe?

I have venus and neptune/uranus Sesquiquadrate.
This is why I'm obsessed with romantic yet quirky things...

I think the way to my heart is wooing me in a non traditional way.

I think the most romantic yet quirky thing any was ever done for me was give me a large box and inside that box was a smaller and smaller box until there was an average tennis ball and it had a note that said 'the ball is in your court'.

posted July 25, 2013 01:24 AM            

I have ASC sesquiquadrate Uranus & Neptune.

If anyone wants to interpret that..

posted July 25, 2013 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Would'nt saturn/sun make you extra bossy? Are you a control freak, maybe?

I have venus and neptune/uranus Sesquiquadrate.
This is why I'm obsessed with romantic yet quirky things...

I think the way to my heart is wooing me in a non traditional way.

I think the most romantic yet quirky thing any was ever done for me was give me a large box and inside that box was a smaller and smaller box until there was an average tennis ball and it had a note that said 'the ball is in your court'.

I swear I had a nose bleed..... That was just perfect for me...
That person just won my heart!!!

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Haha with that nose bleed comment, you MUST watch anime!

I can tell why they won your heart, that is super original and yet so simple. Awe, I'm happy you experienced that moment!

Hm. . . Am I bossy and/or a control freak.

I do perceive myself as bossy, yes but a control freak? Hm. . .

I think of a control freak as someone that can't have anything a different way than they want. I don't think I'm like this at all but definitely everything in my personal space has to and will be my way. Like how I have my room. It was always my decision and nothing would change that. Like when I was still living at home and decided to have nothing but a bare mattress and my mother was very upset because she claimed I was living like a monk.

posted July 25, 2013 01:43 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:

So to think of things like that, you get two planets that invigorate one another when stimulated by outside forces, that may combine to create conflicting dynamics when inspired by the situation they're in. They aren't in direct conflict, but you still seem to have an inharmonious situation of which you might not know the origins.

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Like being interested or in love with someone?

posted July 25, 2013 03:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Chiming in..

I have ASC sesquiquadrate Uranus & Neptune.

If anyone wants to interpret that..

Great post, by the way, MsPrism.
Thanks for copying it.

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Thanks Doux!

Now hm. . .how could these play out?

I'll put up a small bit of the info from the book. Maybe we can piece together an interpretation with your help!

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Aspects in Astrology - Sue Tompkins

NEPTUNE AND THE ANGLES

If the Ascendant is, at least to some extent, descriptive of an individual’s persona (literally actor’s mask) then a conjunction from Neptune may yield a number of interesting possibilities. It may be that the individual appears to the world as very Neptunian, perhaps as elusive, enchanting or other-worldly, sometimes rather vague and confused. More often though, the Neptune rising individual does not make an immediate physical impact on their environment. Individuals with this placement do not have a fixed kind of persona although the rising sign is usually quite obvious.

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URANUS AND THE ANGLES

Those with Uranus squaring the Ascendant, however, are usually not reinforced for their ‘differentness’ by the family. They often themselves feel different or think that others may find them odd. This usually feels rather uncomfortable and the individual often finds it difficult to integrate their unconventionality into the rest of their personality or life-style. Those with Uranus rising usually have no wish to conform. The type will be highly individualistic and uncompromising in their insistence upon having space and freedom. And especially space and freedom to pursue whatever (to others at any rate) radical or unconventional life-style is appropriate to them.

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So with Uranus sesquiquadrate the Ascendant, do you feel that you tend to go back and forth between being conventional and being just plain different? Do you feel like it's not okay to be different and other times, that you're just not the same?

If we look at it like S.E. does, he makes reference to us not understanding this part of ourselves, maybe it jumps out of you all of sudden and you don't really know where it came from? Like randomly being very rebellious and then snapping back to that "lens" you've grown used to? Maybe being emotional when you're used to be logical or the reverse. Like a sudden burst of rebellion toward that lens and then the rubber-band feeling of being snapped back into place?

With Neptune being largely spiritual and other-wordly, do you randomly feel/say/think very spiritually, start hypothesizing the after-life and this might confuse your normal way of viewing things, like it disrupts or fogs that Ascendant lens of yours?

posted July 25, 2013 04:13 AM            

I can relate to the square descriptions when I read them, and I don't think I'm unaware of their influence (thanks to astrology, duh).

I know it's not as obvious or tense as a square, but the energy feels similar - my personality is very changeable and chameleon-like (which is also due to the Gemini of course) and I tend to lose myself in my environment - very sensitive to atmosphere changes and the overall "vibe" of a place, person, and so on.
At the same time I'm very individualistic and need a lot of personal space, and while I wouldn't call myself unconventional, my views are definitely different from my family's, which can lead to some clashes.

It does come out quite erratically because that's not how I'm "supposed" to be (prominent Saturn - convention, tradition VS Neptune / Uranus - lalaland, freedom).