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Topic: Which 12th house Planet is the Hardest?
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Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 08:33 PM
  
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I find it particularly interesting President George Bush junior had a lot of controversy and tragedy during his presidency, wasn't the most popular president in history and made some enemies overseas. His sun and Saturn are in twelfth, afflicted, and his wife spoke of a time they were in Germany and worried they had been poisoned.
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Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 08:33 PM
My other tattoo would be "what are the orbs?"  ------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 08:37 PM
I checked astro.com, Ami, President Bush's is really in 12, nowhere near his Leo ascendant. He has a Cancer sun. His Saturn in Cancer isn't close enough to conjunct.He does have three planets in house 1, Mercury, Venus and Pluto. Mercury and Pluto are both conjunct the ascendant three degrees orb. Oh and he has a Libra moon IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I checked astro.com, Ami, President Bush's is really in 12, nowhere near his Leo ascendant. He has a Cancer sun. His Saturn in Cancer isn't close enough to conjunct.He does have three planets in house 1, Mercury, Venus and Pluto. Mercury and Pluto are both conjunct the ascendant three degrees orb. Oh and he has a Libra moon
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Venusian Moon
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posted September 07, 2013 09:39 PM
My sun and north node are in my 12th house.No dad ;( IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted September 07, 2013 09:43 PM
My very simple point is: one shouldn't just assume that something is necessarily bad just because it is not well understood. Just like the generalizations out there about the 12th house being secretive or dark or sinister. That is nonsense. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 09:49 PM
Some parts of the twelfth house are dark and sinister. You see a bittersweet quality and often there is tragedy.. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
My very simple point is: one shouldn't just assume that something is necessarily bad just because it is not well understood. Just like the generalizations out there about the 12th house being secretive or dark or sinister. That is nonsense.
I don't agree because the Houses are what they are. They are domains and when planets enter the domains, they will carry the traits. There are traits which exist on a spectrum for each house. For the 12th there is secretive and hidden and then on the other end, super spiritual.
However, you can't really dismiss parts of the houses imo
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 10:23 PM
I am trying to figure out which planet would be the hardest, getting back on topic. Saturn seems to be challenging. The sun, too, and Neptune from what I have researched, can be quite a disaster in 12 even though it rules the house traditionally. Neptune is a difficult planet, in general so in the 12th it's no exception to this rule.
Uranus, too? Mars maybe. In some cases the sun or moon. It's easier to figure out which ones are not so much a problem. Maybe all of them have that darker side it just shows up in different ways.
Like with Neptune in 12, people can be tangled up in crimes, some are guilty, others claim to be innocent, it can result in not getting a fair trial and someone can waste years in prison, literally waste away there without ever having a fair trial.
I have had issues in my life with all my twelfth house placesments but have never been accused of crimes and imprisoned, never committed a crime. In fact I do not experience many of the twelfth house's infamous pitfalls. I did grow up fatherless, classic sun in twelfth. IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted September 07, 2013 10:51 PM
Neptune for a Pisces sun, with a Scorp asc, thus Neptune in Scorpio...Yea, hard...and especially with a wide oppo to my Taurus moon. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by hippichick:
Neptune for a Pisces sun, with a Scorp asc, thus Neptune in Scorpio...Yea, hard...and especially with a wide oppo to my Taurus moon.
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hippichick
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posted September 07, 2013 11:04 PM
Makes me the biggest friggin aritst at "divine discontent" EVER, thus escapism...ugg  IP: Logged |
Venusian Moon
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Registered: Feb 2013
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posted September 07, 2013 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
My very simple point is: one shouldn't just assume that something is necessarily bad just because it is not well understood. Just like the generalizations out there about the 12th house being secretive or dark or sinister. That is nonsense.
Having the sun in the 12th house usually means unavailable dad whether emotionally or physically. I have read descriptions from astrologers. Check out sun in the 12th posts that have been created. Its true. Very sad. As a 12th house sun i know. You have saturn in your 12th house so its not the same situation. You can speak for 12th house saturns if you want but dont speak for us 12th house suns. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted September 07, 2013 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
For the 12th there is secretive and hidden and then on the other end, super spiritual
They are not mutually exclusive. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted September 07, 2013 11:21 PM
And the Vedic interpretations are drastically different. So much so that nothing is reconciled and folks yap generalizations that not only do not make sense but have no semblance to reality. Anyone like to say that George W Bush's father, George HW Bush was non-existent in the younger Bush's life? Quite the reverse. See, another instance of shoot from the hip observation. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted September 07, 2013 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
Having the sun in the 12th house usually means unavailable dad whether emotionally or physically. I have read descriptions from astrologers. Check out sun in the 12th posts that have been created. Its true. Very sad. As a 12th house sun i know. You have saturn in your 12th house so its not the same situation. You can speak for 12th house saturns if you want but dont speak for us 12th house suns.
What's been your experience, though? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted September 07, 2013 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
Having the sun in the 12th house usually means unavailable dad whether emotionally or physically. I have read descriptions from astrologers. Check out sun in the 12th posts that have been created. Its true. Very sad. As a 12th house sun i know. You have saturn in your 12th house so its not the same situation. You can speak for 12th house saturns if you want but dont speak for us 12th house suns.
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aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted September 07, 2013 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
And the Vedic interpretations are drastically different. So much so that nothing is reconciled and folks yap generalizations that not only do not make sense but have no semblance to reality. Anyone like to say that George W Bush's father, George HW Bush was non-existent in the younger Bush's life? Quite
the reverse. See, another instance of shoot from the hip observation.
Actually that's not true. Bush himself said his dad was away a lot when he was a boy in his autobiography. He mentioned that his dad was away for work a lot and it was just him and his mom on the home front.IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted September 07, 2013 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by hippichick:
Neptune for a Pisces sun, with a Scorp asc, thus Neptune in Scorpio...Yea, hard...and especially with a wide oppo to my Taurus moon.
i have a kind of similar chart. but i have scorpio pluto opp moon. my chart ruler, pluto, is in my 12th conjunct asc. it is what it is. i think i'd be worried if i had a child with it but at this point i'm over that 12th house stuff and have gone to spiritual end of it. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted September 07, 2013 11:37 PM
id imagine a 12th house moon would be hard in the instances it means no mother figure IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted September 07, 2013 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
id imagine a 12th house moon would be hard in the instances it means no mother figure
My niece has it and I don't think my sister (her mother) is a very good mother to her most times. my sister drinks a lot and my niece hates it, she has a lot of anger towards her. IP: Logged |
Venusian Moon
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From: Nyc
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posted September 08, 2013 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
What's been your experience, though?
What i just said. No dad.
My daughters father left her life last year and she doesnt have a 12th house sun but in synastry his sun is in her 12th house. It sucks.
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Samo717
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posted September 08, 2013 12:25 AM
I have sun conjunct chiron in 12. I constantly want to get away, to leave wherever I am. I think I have had depression my whole life. And I don't fear death, in fact I wouldn't mind passing on some days. Just being alive and dealing with life can be a huge challenge for me.. Very passive absent father. A lot of my close friends have 12th house suns... I think we naturally gravitate to each other because we understand that feeling of wantin to isolate. Thoughts...?I know a person with sun, mercury, saturn, uranus, and neptune in his 12th, far from the ascendant. He's a mess, pretty twisted person. No backbone. Half-truths. ------------------
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Venusian Moon
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posted September 08, 2013 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Samo717:
I have sun conjunct chiron in 12. I constantly want to get away, to leave wherever I am. I think I have had depression my whole life. And I don't fear death, in fact I wouldn't mind passing on some days. Just being alive and dealing with life can be a huge challenge for me.. Very passive absent father. A lot of my close friends have 12th house suns... I think we naturally gravitate to each other because we understand that feeling of wantin to isolate. Thoughts...?I know a person with sun, mercury, saturn, uranus, and neptune in his 12th, far from the ascendant. He's a mess, pretty twisted person. No backbone. Half-truths.
Im sorry ;(
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Venusian Moon
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posted September 08, 2013 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
id imagine a 12th house moon would be hard in the instances it means no mother figure
My daughter has a 12th house moon and im right here snuggling next to her in the dark. IP: Logged |
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