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Topic: Which 12th house Planet is the Hardest?
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Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 06:44 PM
  
Does it differ for men and women?
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12muddy
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posted September 07, 2013 06:53 PM
I think it depends on how much influence that planet has, in a person's chart. Say, I have saturn as my chart ruler and lucky for me it's in the 1st. I believe that if it were in the 12th I'd be in a whole new world of issues. personally I find having mercury there is difficult, simply coz I haven't found a way to "fix" it. Most of the time I either think/say too much or too little. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted September 07, 2013 07:01 PM
My Saturn is in 12th and I think it's great. I really don't see what's so bad about the 12th House. Many of the world's greatest leaders are based in the 12th House. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I think it depends on how much influence that planet has, in a person's chart. Say, I have saturn as my chart ruler and lucky for me it's in the 1st. I believe that if it were in the 12th I'd be in a whole new world of issues. personally I find having mercury there is difficult, simply coz I haven't found a way to "fix" it. Most of the time I either think/say too much or too little.
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Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
My Saturn is in 12th and I think it's great. I really don't see what's so bad about the 12th House. Many of the world's greatest leaders are based in the 12th House.
Have you always felt left out? Saturn in the 12th feels like the kid who wants to join the group but holds back out of fear. Do you feel this way?
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aquaguy91
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posted September 07, 2013 07:06 PM
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Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Sun conjunct saturn
Do you have these both in the 12th, AG? ------------------
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aquaguy91
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posted September 07, 2013 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you have these both in the 12th, AG?
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Dark_Sun9
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posted September 07, 2013 07:22 PM
I have N.node in Scorpio in the 12th, seems to tune me into some sort of higher realms when i get any sort of high, gives me a very giving, compassionate and self-sacrificing aspect to my being but also creates alot of paranoia and fearIP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 07:23 PM
WOW Yep That is hardI wonder if some planets are harder for men and some harder for women. Any ideas, AG? ------------------
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12muddy
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posted September 07, 2013 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
My Saturn is in 12th and I think it's great. I really don't see what's so bad about the 12th House. Many of the world's greatest leaders are based in the 12th House.
The 12th house can indicate mental/emotional sufferings and childhood abuse, that's bad enough hehe. About saturn... You have 10th house Cap sun, and cap mars so I don't think saturn in the 12th can cause problem. I already have a few planets in the mushy 12th house including the sun, I'd much rather not to have Saturn there too. Saturn in the 1st balances things out for me. Except for mercury, the others don't cause troubles. Well nothing I can't deal with anyway (this is probably another blessing from 1st house saturn ). IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted September 07, 2013 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Sun conjunct saturn
Aquaguy, 7thGuardian once mentioned that people with 12th house planets (especially the sun) often have better luck if they don't live in their "native" cities. It makes sense, the "mother land" is the source of our blessings and/or our sufferings. I think if you can, living elsewhere may help to lighten your burden. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted September 07, 2013 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Have you always felt left out? Saturn in the 12th feels like the kid who wants to join the group but holds back out of fear. Do you feel this way?
Yes. I'm a loner. But I grew up conditioned to not join a group and be alone. Not out of fear. For sure. More out of choice. I tend to swim against the current anyway.
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted September 07, 2013 08:00 PM
Vladimir Putin. Tony Blair. Ariel Sharon. Gordon Brown. George W. Bush. All leaders of powerful nations with 12th House suns. And we shouldn't forget Abraham Lincoln. Ulysses Grant. Jimmy Carter. Ghandi. 12th House is the house of leadership. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Vladimir Putin. Tony Blair. Ariel Sharon. Gordon Brown. George W. Bush. All leaders of powerful nations with 12th House suns. And we shouldn't forget Abraham Lincoln. Ulysses Grant. Jimmy Carter. Ghandi. 12th House is the house of leadership.
That's the most intriguing part of the 12th house, YTA. It's the house of Pisces yet you see these world leaders with activity there. I wonder what the connection is to this house and the world stage? Maybe it has something to do with fulfilling collective needs?
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Ami Anne
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posted September 07, 2013 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Vladimir Putin. Tony Blair. Ariel Sharon. Gordon Brown. George W. Bush. All leaders of powerful nations with 12th House suns. And we shouldn't forget Abraham Lincoln. Ulysses Grant. Jimmy Carter. Ghandi. 12th House is the house of leadership.
I didn't know this, Ian. For me, if it is within 10 degrees of the ASC, I call it conjunct the ASC.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 08:10 PM
Abraham Lincoln has a first house sun, twelfth house moon  IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted September 07, 2013 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
That's the most intriguing part of the 12th house, YTA. It's the house of Pisces yet you see these world leaders with activity there. I wonder what the connection is to this house and the world stage? Maybe it has something to do with fulfilling collective needs?
SSS, there is this article that explains it quite well. YEah the title is a bit pompous "Da power of the 12th house", but lol it's a good read 
http://www.weathersage.com/vs/mcevoy/12thhouse.htm IP: Logged |
11qwert11
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posted September 07, 2013 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
personally I find having mercury there is difficult, simply coz I haven't found a way to "fix" it. Most of the time I either think/say too much or too little.
I've also got mercury in the 12th house and its exactly how you described it. Often times in a conversation I keep thinking what to say but end up not saying anything.
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12muddy
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posted September 07, 2013 08:19 PM
Quote:"The illusion and delusion that the twelfth house can create around an individual can make them ideal people on which to hang a projection".
http://blog.beliefnet.com/astrologicalmusings/2007/01/leadership-and-the-twelfth-hou. html It's in the house of Neptune and Neptune is known for its illusion and half-truths. Quote from Supernatural the TV series: - "We're humans. And when humans want something, really, really bad— we lie." - "Why?" - "Because. That's how you become President."
ok, I'll stop. I have a thing with politics so I often get carried away lol.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 08:19 PM
I do feel the ninth and twelfth are very strong in terms of synastry.IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted September 07, 2013 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by 11qwert11:
I've also got mercury in the 12th house and its exactly how you described it. Often times in a conversation I keep thinking what to say but end up not saying anything.
<giving you an e-hug> yeah, we think a lot and thoughts get jumbled up. In the end coherent thoughts and sentences can't be formed so we stay quiet. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted September 07, 2013 08:23 PM
12th house Mercury is the placement of the poet.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 08:24 PM
I find it particularly interesting President George Bush junior had a lot of controversy and tragedy during his presidency, wasn't the most popular president in history and made some enemies overseas. His sun and Saturn are in twelfth, afflicted, and his wife spoke of a time they were in Germany and worried they had been poisoned.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted September 07, 2013 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
12th house Mercury is the placement of the poet.
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