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posted October 04, 2013 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This man intrgues me. For those who don't know who he is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins

I started watching his videos yesterday and I got hooked.

This is how he looked liked when he was young:
http://files-cdn.formspring.me/photos/20130412/n51678a7f5b35a.png



What do you think his rising is?

His chart is an interesting case...



Moon, Mercury and Venus in Pisces, NN conjunct Neptune and other aspects - shouldn't he be spiritual or religious at least?

But...
Sun conjunct Eris (the controversy he creates) and Darwin (his biggest inspiration), this so makes sense
Saturn conjunct Jupiter - religious skepticism?
Mercury conjunct Church - lol
Echo conjunct Cap Mars - the need to talk and teach about the material?


What do you think?

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posted October 04, 2013 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 04, 2013 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting choice.
Btw, Dawkins is conjunct my MC from the 9th house by 1 degree. I hope that means I'll meet him someday

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posted October 04, 2013 03:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Scorpio or even pisces. He has this thin wiry androgynous look

No bulk at all so

Off with taurus, aqua, cancer, cap or leo

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posted October 04, 2013 03:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He actually looks like a cereal killer in the third pic

What's that guys name that was a psych honours student that murdered young girls. Yeah!

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posted October 04, 2013 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First time I saw him speak (on a YouTube video) I said, "This guy is SUCH an Aries!"

I got his sun sign correct. Maybe that's his ASC, too.

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posted October 04, 2013 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries, it's explains so much!

I'll have to go with his ascendent being Sag, too.

And now I'm imagining him finding this thread...

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posted October 04, 2013 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Well, he IS an Aries, so yeah it does explain why he seems like one.

Not sure what you meant there, though.

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posted October 04, 2013 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just meant his entire personality and way he expresses himself is Aries. I never actually wondered what his sign was before. The guy is brilliant in many ways with a gift for words (sometimes he uses it, sometimes he abuses it) but I'm not actually that much of a fan and as he's something of a proselytizer he does more harm than good to his cause with his confrontational and often insulting attitude that even alienate some of the people who already share his views, IMO.

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posted October 04, 2013 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't seen many interviews but so far I haven't had a problem with the way he expresses himself. My Sag Mercury doesn't mind his bluntness and firmness. Actually it can be amusing

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posted October 04, 2013 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lilithsquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Moon, Mercury and Venus in Pisces, NN conjunct Neptune and other aspects - shouldn't he be spiritual or religious at least?
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I think that Piscean universal love might translate more to a desire to teach the humankind about the universe in the form of science in his case? He is english, most english people are not exactly religious.

(I have a bit of pisces/neptune in my chart, as atheist as can be)

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posted October 05, 2013 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think now?

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posted October 05, 2013 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
The guy is brilliant in many ways with a gift for words (sometimes he uses it, sometimes he abuses it) but I'm not actually that much of a fan and as he's something of a proselytizer he does more harm than good to his cause with his confrontational and often insulting attitude that even alienate some of the people who already share his views, IMO.

Ditto...'just not my cup of tea.

Now I wonder if it's the Mars in Cap that grates on me. I tend to clash with that placement...if Cap Mars shoves me, my Cap sun shoves back...like a see-saw, on and on.

His chart looks interesting, though, maybe he just got caught up in something like a circus routine that doesn't do the full breadth of his personality justice.

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posted October 06, 2013 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I'm weird but I find the passion he defends his point of view with very entertaining. And I love when he gets baffled by others' statements and questions Just gimme some popcorn!

He called astronomy rubbish but I forgave him lol.

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posted October 06, 2013 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I guess I'm weird but I find the passion he defends his point of view with very entertaining. And I love when he gets baffled by others' statements and questions Just gimme some popcorn!

No, you're not. Jerry Springer will always be more popular than John Stossel because people crave the confrontation, especially if it's about making the speaker (and thus fans) seem better than everyone else because people not only want to see fighting, they want to feel superior, and people like Dawkins delivers ('course Jerry Springer will also always trump Dawkins, too, as Springer throws in various types of vulgarities that don't require a lot of thinking, pure junk food for the mind, think of it as verbal wrestling, it's fake showmanship that whips the crowd into a frenzy). It's why the snarky loudmouths become syndicated and best selling authors, because most people LOVE that even though it's ineffective at convincing anyone (but it does make the fan base feel superior and/or the thrill of metaphoric wrestling). It's not noble, but it is undeniable.

Personally, I vastly prefer Tyson as he's even more brilliant and delivers with class than snark, which is crucial if you're trying to convince others. He has a way that get people to THINK about what he's saying (and can find another perspective they won't actually reject, like when he showed how the Muslim world used to be the leaders for scientific advancement until the fundies took over and then artfully brings it around to what things like Creationism is doing to our society, and because he started off with the Muslim world many people who buy into Creationism were more likely to see his points, especially as he did not talk down or insultingly to them). Of course that doesn't sell anywhere as much. People prefer Springer, or closest equivalent, and in this case that would be Dawkins over Tyson. So you're not the weird one here.

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posted October 06, 2013 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, what can I say, I have a soft spot for some kinds of controversy Who is Tyson and what's his first name? You got me curious.

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posted October 06, 2013 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neil DeGrasse Tyson?

I like him too, he's so adorable.

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posted October 06, 2013 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Who is Tyson and what's his first name? You got me curious.


See? About everyone has heard of Dawkins, few have heard of Tyson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson

Btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2xGIwQfik

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posted October 06, 2013 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! I'm not even American so what do you expect

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posted October 06, 2013 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 06, 2013 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got a new pick up line

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posted October 06, 2013 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Jerry Springer will always be more popular than John Stossel...

How on earth is John Stossel superior to Jerry Springer? He offers a slightly different schtick, that's all.

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posted October 06, 2013 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How on earth is John Stossel superior to Jerry Springer? He offers a slightly different schtick, that's all.


Not from what I've seen. They're so different from what I've seen I don't even understand how you can ask that. (ETA: Note, I was referencing styles, not saying someone was inherently "superior." Granted, I do think Stossel and Tyson practice superior styles when it comes to persuasion than Dawkins or Glenn Beck, but they're not as entertaining and won't reap as much profit...and many that Tyson seeks to persuade don't WANT to be persuaded, they'd rather read or watch the "Dawkins" of their own thought guild instead for the same reasons fans love Dawkins.)

Disclaimer: I haven't seen much of either. But I do know Glenn Beck is closer to Jerry Springer than Stossel is.

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posted October 07, 2013 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remembered I saw this once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSRLETlKDg

I totally agree with him btw

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posted October 08, 2013 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I glanced at his chart and expected to find harsh aspects to Mercury because, as I watched his YOUTUBE videos, I could see that this is a person who is passionate about their convictions but has trouble expressing them convincingly.

But then I recalled that Mercury may be thought, but Mars is the method of delivery.
So I looked at aspects to Mars and found Mars opposing Chiron in cardinal signs Capricorn and Cancer respectively.

The Opposition of Chiron and Mars suggests someone who has trouble expressing their desire convincingly. And with the cardinal planets of Cancer and Capricorn therein, it shows someone who may be accident prone/fidgety.

There is extreme nervousness present in disposition in either speech (being slurred) or even the way a person walks (often fast paced and brusque).

Mars is trine Neptune-suggesting an active imagination and ability to merge one’s personal motivations with a global cause.

Perhaps he has taken it upon himself to “free” humanity from its delusion with God/he may be the one whom people deem is deluded? With Neptune it is not always that cut and dry.

Mars in Cardinal Capricorn is “resolute” and disciplined in approach whilst the Mars trine aspect with mutable Virgo makes him have a human touch.

With this aspect he may not only look at furthering his ideals but blending them with those of others-by seeing himself in a servitude role: This aspect makes one an avid idealist and humanitarian.

Mars in Cardinal Capricorn trine fixed Taurus in Uranus suggests an interest in the off beaten track.

Indeed, with Uranus in fixed Taurus, the outlook can favour that which is “practical” and “tangible”.

If one comes to understand that their approach is “right”, the assertive approach of Mars in Capricorn will go to “right” a “wrong”.

Luckily, however, the grand trine in Earth signs of Virgo, Capricorn and Taurus in the planets involved make him balanced and averse to a radical approach.

The beautiful earth grand trine (Mars , Uranus,Neptune) split by the opposition with Cancer Chiron to Mars in Capricorn is very definitive in his chart: There is as much self doubt and uncertainty as there is conviction about “another way” to look at things.

He’ll probably have to contend with emotional traditional people or even his own childhood references (represented very much by Chiron) always being a nag on his rational foot (Mars in Capricorn)all his life.

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