posted October 13, 2013 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by ash20:
So having libra on my 12th could be interpreted as venus in the 12th?? Bc i just read something on venus in the 12th and it resonated with me.

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posted October 13, 2013 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I like 12th house relationships, could it be due to having Venus in Pisces?

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posted October 13, 2013 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I like 12th house relationships, could it be due to having Venus in Pisces?

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posted October 13, 2013 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by ash20:
So having libra on my 12th could be interpreted as venus in the 12th?? Bc i just read something on venus in the 12th and it resonated with me.

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yes also venus neptune can workout in similar ways

posted October 13, 2013 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by ash20:
Can anyone tell me about mars overlaying someones 12th house?
How does this aspect usually play out?

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My mom and I have it. Perhaps Mars is not as smooth sailing as a planet like Venus or Jupiter? My mom and I do a lot of bickering and there's subtle powerplays in our relationship and a bit of jealousy. Mars seems to be inflammatory.

posted October 13, 2013 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I was going to say, romantically-speaking, I can tell you what it's like from the Mars side.

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posted October 13, 2013 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I was going to say, romantically-speaking, I can tell you what it's like from the Mars side.

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posted October 13, 2013 08:58 PM            

I do feel a lot of it has to do with the 12H overlays: his Venus, my Mars. I feel that, intrinsically, we're always unconsciously psyching ourselves out and causing trouble where none needs to exist. Oddly, this came to my attention due to a scene I wrote today for a companion novel to my TV series. While there are undoubtedly similarities, it seems strangely likely to be going on here.

For example, despite being very recently intimately involved, the closeness can go very quickly out the window. Almost like it never even happened. She easily picks upon even the subtlest of his nuances, and he's hyper-attuned to her. All should be well - except, oh, God, the mixed signals.

So, he's honestly trying to deal with the newfound level of intensity by holding it together to the best of his ability. (Why he's got such problems in this area - is a longer story.) She's, of course, stunned herself. Were he to be receptive - or even further aggressive, or just friggin' clear - she'd be equally receptive, and then some.

Yeah, no.

This, 'oh, my God, are you kidding me?' charade continues with his noticing something she's doing - which in turn is a reflection of something HE's doing - which then evokes a memory of their intimacy; since he's trying to 'fight it off', his expression becomes one of focus - intensity. She misperceives this as annoyance, even repulsion. Obviously, she then feels immediately self-conscious and wants to crawl into the nearest hole and die. Instead, she just stands there, like an idiot, (so she feels) drowning in the awkwardness - until he recovers, or, more often, they both change the subject VERY quickly.

Intimacy fail. Intimacy MASS fail.

But it honestly took that scene for me to wonder ... knowing what I know, and, having experienced similar, less extreme (usually) versions.

I'll explain.

Mars is, obviously, the basic driving force. Everyone's will operate a bit differently, too, and that'll change how it's behaving synastrically. In general, however, Mars' energies just become muddled.

I've heard that all attempts on behalf of the Mars person seemingly go into a black hole with the 12H person. Like they're just misconstrued, or not even registering. This seems unlikely - or only in the event of an attraction. When it's a relationship, it gets kind of ridiculous.

It's not a stretch, either, that my characters can get their wires that crossed so soon after being intimate to where it's almost like nobody knows what just happened - or is happening. I've been there.

My take is that there's a real mixed-signalling going on here. It's as if TO know what's going on, we'd HAVE to be IN each other's heads.

Part of a hidden cool factor I'm enjoying in this project is the epistolary nature of publishing the characters' journals - which basically tells you exactly what's going on, and seems SO different from what's happening on screen. It's almost comical - if it weren't so tragically frustrating.

It just seems to get THAT 'lost in translation' somewhere.

So now I'm wondering if a lot of this isn't a result of my misreading something on his behalf, which then causes me to withdraw whatever 'signal' I might've been broadcasting, and him to react in kind.

It's just a WHOLE lot of misunderstanding, misreading, misinterpreting, misperceiving, and missing the mark.

That's Mars in the 12H to me. His Mars, incidentally, is hanging out with my Sun-Pluto in my 2H. That just adds a whole new dimension on top of things - along with his Moon-Eros in my 8H. Ay, yi, yi.

posted October 14, 2013 01:10 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Who's the Mars?

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posted October 14, 2013 01:13 AM              

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
In the guy with Mars in your twelfth, do you notice any jealousy?

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Yes and extreme suspiciousness.

posted October 14, 2013 01:23 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Thanks for writing that lengthy description, well done and insightful. You make valid points about Mars in twelfth. It is more dynamic, subtle and confusing since it is at odds in the place Venus is accidentally exalted.

The results are even more difficult to put your finger on but you are aware of the feeling, which keeps returning.

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Glad that kind of helped; and you're right! Venus is accidentally exalted. It is a difficult thing to really explain, isn't it? The way I think of it is like walking into a house but discovering it's a hall of mirrors. Before you know it, you're lost, confused, and surrounded by illusions. It gets frightening, because you don't know which one's your partner, which is reflection, or if the whole thing is some giant trick.

posted October 14, 2013 01:25 AM            

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Originally posted by ash20:
IndigoDirae,
Thanks for giving the mars p.o.v.

I will admit in the beginning i gave him mixed signals since i was still liking another guy. He even at one point told me he didnt think i liked him! ... Which was kinda the case, but only because i was so focused on another guy.

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Yeah, when there are other people involved - it gets even trickier. I was also focussed (temporarily, for about a year) on an old relationship I'd been trying to resolve. So, while things became complicated, he and I never officially discontinued our relationship. It just ... changed nature and became de facto platonic for that period, so it's only just now becoming physically intimate again.

posted October 14, 2013 01:34 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Glad that kind of helped; and you're right! Venus is accidentally exalted. It is a difficult thing to really explain, isn't it? The way I think of it is like walking into a house but discovering it's a hall of mirrors. Before you know it, you're lost, confused, and surrounded by illusions. It gets frightening, because you don't know which one's your partner, which is reflection, or if the whole thing is some giant trick.

When it's Martian energy it's easy to see it scattered, too. You feel as if there's a great effort, but you're not sure for what.

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posted October 14, 2013 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
And another problem is feelings come and go with great frequency in house twelve and they can be intense and short lived.

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posted October 14, 2013 09:48 AM              

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Originally posted by jjj:
Someone s gemini mars is in my 12th... we have already his neptune on my mars and my mars opposing his neptune synastricallyand we are both very neptunian... oh boy.. the attraction is freaking strong and he flirted with me in an obvious way and made sexual remarks... he sometimes touches me when we talk, it is heavenly. there is so much otherwordly tenderness.
but we will probably never get into the sack, he is avoiding me like a runaway bride... always teasing, but never fulfilling. it drives me crazy.
i suspect that he has a big intimacy problem plus he is taken and maybe he has even problems in mars area... natal mars square pluto and chiron in 8th... but yeah, the promise of perfect passion.

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I understand what you mean but im the one thats elusive. With me and this guy his mars is square my
Neptune and uranus and i can tell i frustrate him alot and i easliy upset him. So i think bc your mars is opposing his neptune thats probably why you feel he is avoiding you.