posted May 07, 2016 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
This is a good basis for taking a second look at the sign supposedly on your Asc and questioning it. Many times the correct Asc is actually in the sign previous to the one suggested by your birth time of record. You can go to my Rising Signs page and read the two signs previous (or the sign following if time of record suggests 20°+) to the one indicated by b.t.

There are different reasons for this, but most importantly, assuming time of your delivery was recorded accurately, it is because that moment is a function of your mother's body. It is not synonymous with your choice of Asc/personality as an incoming soul. That moment of delivery is the physical aspect of the birth process which is akin to the pole to which a tether ball is tied. it is part of the formulation, but not complete. There is a 5-hour window in which the Asc of choice is found (4.5 hrs pre- to about 1/2 post-delivery). Edgar Cayce referred to this moment of choice as 'spiritual birth'. It is also known as the Incarnation moment, that moment when an inter-dimensional opening allows the transference of a soul's consciousness, intentions, karma, etc, to enter the earth plane.

The time of record is always the starting place, the holding place for an Asc until we can identify another one that is correct. All this is explained on my website.

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posted May 07, 2016 10:08 PM            

''Aries descendant/Mars in 7th: Want a go-getter or action oriented and active relationship

Taurus/Libra descendant/Venus in 7th: Project beauty and kindness onto partner or most comfortable in a loyal, very loving partnership.

Gemini/Virgo descendant/Mercury in 7th: Project intelligence or communication onto partner or crave relationship based on common ideas.

Cancer descendant/Moon in 7th: Crave nurturing and emotionally supportive partner or desire for partnership based on building a home.

Leo descendant/Sun in 7th: Tend to project sense of self onto another person or relationship is one full of romance and building a kingdom together.

Scorpio descendant/Pluto in 7th: Drawn to those perceived to have more depth or most want a relationship filled with transformational intimacy

Sagittarius descendant/Jupiter in 7th: Want partner who is larger than life or partnership filled with exploration and expansion

Capricorn descendant/Saturn in 7th: Desire partner with financial or business stability or a more traditional partnership of marriage

Aquarius descendant/Uranus in 7th: Desire a quirky, free-spirited partner or a non-traditional or polyamorous way of relating

Pisces descendant/Neptune in 7th: Projection of divine onto partner or build a partnership based on spiritual connection''

posted May 08, 2016 08:13 AM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:
I have a Scorpio descendant and to be honest, I'm not that attracted to Scorpios or Scorpio placements. I even have Pluto in the seventh house.

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i also have scorpio DC and are not at all attracted to Scorpios. but Neptune is in my 7th.. then fishy-neptunian types are just for me irresistible

look for mars as well. my mars is in 2nd conjunct 3rd.. I definitely like mercurial types and down to earth individuals with regards to money.. my mars conjunct venus and sun. I feel very attracted to leo mars (no planets in Leo) and venusians ( strong libra more than Taurus although I married a Taurus)

posted May 08, 2016 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Adding to what ail and Kerosene said, the sign the DC falls in isn't necessarily supposed to be interpreted as the sign you're attracted to either. The DC is there to show the traits that your relationship or significant other might have or represent, and how these play in to attracting and even completing you!

A Scorpio DC doesn't mean you will be attracted to Scorpios...but maybe you're attracted to meaningful, merging relationships! Maybe you're attracted to the idea of sharing your cores with one another, telling each other the secrets you've never told anyone else and then saying "I'll have to kill you now." Maybe you don't give yourself away very easily and you want that one person you can utterly surrender yourself to. Maybe you even tend to find yourself in toxic relationships! These are all things Scorpio can represent.

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posted May 08, 2016 08:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I agree with these.

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wow you brought something to my mind. I have always been attracted to foreigners and only dated foreigners with few exeptions. I also attracted to men I can share phylosophies and talk about beyond the ordinary things.. my ex is an anthropologist and we enjoyed so much conversations about history and cultures.. the other important relationships have been foreigners as well

I have scorpio DC. my 8th in sagitarius. I am attracted very much to sagitarian humor and playfulness. my ex husband was very jupiterian, foreigners and put his Jupiter on my 8th.

I have not planets in 8th, but someone I dated put his moon in my 8th and that has been wow, too much.. maybe that house becomes more important. a guy put his Neptune in my 8th and was also very important.

posted May 08, 2016 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
What's a secondary Descendant? How do you find that?

Hey Lavender, how have you been?

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posted May 08, 2016 09:16 AM            

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I'm not Lavendar but here's an explanation on secondary house, including the secondary Dsc.

THE HIDDEN INDICATORS OF ATTRACTION… SECONDARY HOUSES

After looking the obvious indicators of romantic attraction, as is shown directly by the 5th ,7th and 8th houses, I’ll start examining the HIDDEN INDICATORS OF ATTACTION in the person’s chart…

Our SECONDARY 5th, 7th and 8th house cusps…

Just as we all have the PRIMARY 5th , 7th and 8th house cusps in our chart, which we all know about, there are also other houses in our chart which function as secondary versions of these houses. A backup, if you will, that provides extra information about our tastes in that area of life… These ‘backup’ houses are called SECONDARY HOUSES, and I’ve found, they can be amazingly revealing in terms of our romantic tastes when scrutinizing the secondary 5th, 7th and 8th house cusps and rulers…

I’ll continue to explain this using the Dsc as an example. But remember that EVERY house in your chart (including the 5th and the 8th ) has another secondary house that functions in a supplementary way regarding the theme that house.

Here’s how it works… (Using the Dsc as an example)

Every sign in the zodiac is naturally linked (on a symbolic level) to a certain house cusp in our chart… Aries is linked to the 1st house, Taurus is linked to the 2nd house, Gemini is linked to the 3rd house, Cancer is linked to the 4th house, and so on….

So if you want to know which of the house cusps in your chart are symbolically linked to your Dsc… look at the sign of the 7th house cusp (our PRIMARY 7th house), and then find the house in your chart that is symbolically linked to your Dsc cusp sign. For example, if you have a Pisces DSC look at the 12th house. In the case of a Pisces Dsc, the 12 house will revel supplementary information about who you are attracted to, and who you have chemistry with. Also look at planets in the 12th, the sign of house ruler, and how this ruler is aspected. In another example, if you have an Aquarius Dsc look at your natal 11th house for extra clues on what you like in partnership. For a Capricorn Dsc look to the 10th house. For a Virgo Dsc look at the 6th house. For an Aries Dsc look at the 1st house, and so on through the zodiac….

The house symbolically linked to the DSC sign is the ‘SECONDARY DSC’ and it can function as an extension of the 7th house….. In terms of what you attract, what type of partnership experiences you have, and what you look for in a partner…. It’s like the secondary Dsc is an ECHO of the primary or original natal 7th house…. The first time an echo bounces it is the clearest and the loudest…. And this echo is shown by the house symbolically linked to the sign on 7th house cusp…

Looking at it in another way… People with an Aries Dsc look for others who ‘energize’ their personality and self assertion…. So when a partner places planets in Libra or Scorpio in this persons 1st house, it will feel like natural partnership material for them. Same thing for people with a Gemini Dsc… They look for those who will energize them in the area of communication…. So when people put planets in this person’s 3rd house of communication, it also brings to the fore issues of partnership… And for people with a Sagittarius Dsc, they look for others that they can share their beliefs with, and explore with, both mentally and physically… So when people put planets into this person’s 9th house it inspires them to want to join forces with this person… And as you can guess it continues like this on through the zodiac using Dsc signs…

FOR ANYONE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT LOCATING THE ‘SECONDARY DSC’…

Here’s a list of the house cusps to look to as an extension of your DSC for each rising sign. These house cusps are symbolically linked to the sign on your DSC… showing what other traits you are attracted to in others, apart from just what the DSC alone shows.

Aries rising, Libra DSC… The 7th House has double importance.

Taurus rising, Scorpio DSC… Look to the 8th House.

Gemini rising, Sagittarius DSC… Look to the 9th House

Cancer rising, Capricorn DSC… Look to the 10th House

Leo rising, Aquarius DSC… Look to the 11th House

Virgo rising, Pisces DSC… Look to the 12th House

Libra rising, Aries DSC… Look to the 1st House

Scorpio rising, Taurus DSC… Look to the 2nd House

Sagittarius rising, Gemini DSC… Look to the 3rd House

Capricorn rising, Cancer DSC… Look to the 4th House

Aquarius rising, Leo DSC… Look to the 5th House

Pisces rising, Virgo DSC… Look to the 6th House

Can you see the pattern now?

Celebrity examples…

Ryan Reynolds has late Virgo rising, with a Pisces Dsc. His secondary 7th house is the 12th house. So he’s attracted to Pisces and 12th house energy in his love life. He married Blake Lively who has a stellium in early Virgo (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and possibly the Moon) all falling into Ryan’s 12th house… Blake’s Asc is unknown, so we can only guess as to why she was attracted to Ryan.

Angelina Jolie has her planets falling in Brad Pitt’s primary 5th 7th and 8th houses. Brad has Sagittarius rising with Gemini on the 7th house cusp, Aries on the 5th house cusp, and Cancer on the 8th house cusp. Angelina has Sun/Mercury in Gemini, Moon/Mars in Aries, and Venus in Cancer. From Angelina’s side, she has Capricorn on her Dsc. This matches Pitt’s Capricorn Moon/Venus energy, but not his Sagittarius Sun… Well, Angelina’s secondary Dsc is her 10th house cusp. She likes 10th house energy in her love life because of her Capricorn Dsc. Angelina has Jupiter in Aries conjunct her Mc… And Brad is a Sag Asc/Sun ruled by his Jupiter also in Aries…

Katie Holmes has Leo rising with Aqua on the DSC. She likes Aquarius and 11th house energy in her love life. Tom Cruise’s Sun falls in Cancer in her 11th house… Tom Cruise has Scorpio rising with a Taurus DSC. He likes Taurus and 2nd house energy in his love life. Katie’s Sun falls in Sagittarius in his 2nd house. (I know they’re divorced now, but since they were married in the 1st place I’m keeping the example)

Since Tom and Katie are now divorced, lets have a look at their exes, and how they fit into this pattern as well.

Before Tom, Katie was engaged to Chris Klein who had his Sun in Pisces in her 8th house, his Mars in Pisces in her 7th house, and his Venus in Aquarius in her 6th house but in the sign of her Dsc. Plus his Mercury in Aries trines her 5th house ruler Jupiter. He doesn’t hit her secondary Dsc (the 11th house) but since he has his planets in her primary 7th and 8th houses this isn’t necessary for attraction to occur.

Tom has previously been married to Nicole Kidman, and had a several year long relationship with Penelope Cruz.

With Nicole, her Sun in Gemini was in Tom’s primary 8th house, and her Moon in Sagittarius was in was in Tom’s 2nd house. His secondary 7th house due to his Taurus Dsc. So Nicole's Moon is in Tom's secondary 7th house.

Interestingly, from Nicole’s side she has the same Asc as Tom (Scorpio), giving her a Taurus Dsc. Her 2nd house is her secondary 7th house as well. In Nicole’s case, she has the Moon in her second house (the previously mentioned Sagittarius Moon) which adds an attraction to Cancer/Moon types to her profile. Naturally, this is part of why she fell for Tom (a Cancer Sun), and her current love Keith Urban (He has a Cancer Asc, and a Cancer Moon). Also Keith is a Scorpio Sun (Tom’s Asc) and Nicole’s Pisces 5th house cusp ruler Neptune is in Scorpio.

With Penelope, she very much influenced Tom’s primary 7th, and 5th houses. Her Sun in Taurus was smack in his 7th house, and her Pisces Venus and Jupiter were in his 5th house.

From Penelope’s side, she her chart shows an attraction to Tom both in a very obvious primary way, and in a secondary Dsc way. She has a Cancer rising, with a Capricorn Dsc, and her Dsc ruler Saturn is in Cancer (Tom’s Sun sign). Her 5th house cusp is Scorpio (Tom’s Asc). Penelope’s Capricorn Dsc means she likes Capricorn and 10th house energy in her love life. Her 10th house cusp is Aries, ruled by Mars in Cancer (Tom’s Sun sign again). And, Penelope’s Sun in early Taurus falls at the end of her 10th house, adding an attraction for Leo/Sun people to her profile. Both Tom and Javier Bardem (Penelope’s current husband) have Moon in Leo. Speaking of Javier, his Venus/Saturn conjunction in Aries falls into her 10th house (and thus her secondary 7th house). The combination of Venus and Saturn also symbolically matches her Capricorn Dsc. Javier is a Pisces Sun, and this resonates with Penelope’s Neptune in the 5th house, as well as her Pisces Venus.

With these examples hopefully you can see how house overlays, and also the signs showing up in the partners chart, are further explained by the secondary Dsc. Also look at aspects from the partner’s chart to the Secondary Dsc ruler to further explain your chemistry with that person.

ALL HOUSES HAVE SECONDARY HOUSE CUSPS LIKE THIS

This same pattern can be used on all your other house cusps including the 5th and the 8th if you are interested in looking more deeply into your romantic tastes….

Using myself as an example…. I’ve got Aries on the 5th house cusp, so when people put planets in my 1st house there’s also a romantic overtone added to this overlay. Along with the typical 1st house themes of strengthening my identity, and personal presence… This maybe because with my 5th house cusp being in Aries, these types of issues press my ‘romantic excitement’ buttons, so to speak. Having my sense of identity strengthened and acknowledged by another would feel more exciting and ‘romantic’ for me, then average, because it brings the themes associated to my 5th house cusp sign to ‘life’.

Funnily enough, I get a similar type of experience if someone else’s natal Mars strongly aspects my chart, and also I tend to notice them more if their Mars is strongly aspected with in the context their own chart as well. Like if a person has Mars conjunct the Sun for instance. Or if they have their Mars strongly aspecting my important parts of my chart….

Again, I think this is part of the ‘echo’ that comes from the primary natal 5th, 7th and 8th houses…This echo can manifest in THREE ways. And by ‘echo’ I’m referring to those relationship connections that include, and also go beyond, direct 5th, 7th and 8th house overlays (which we are all traditionally taught to see as the be all, and end all, of relationship synastry and overlays)… You have to stretch you mind a little to see these ones. But with practice you'll start to notice some repeating themes, similar to what I’ve written above.

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I know you have written that before, but never stop to bring something new to my awareness. I started playing with my secondary houses and what I found surprised me very much

2nd 5th is 6th in Libra (virgo 5th cusp)
2nd 7th is 8th in sagitarius(7th in scorpio)
2nd 8th is 9th in capricorni (8th in sag)

posted May 08, 2016 10:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Claudine:
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But I like how this dsc is described. So it's nothing to do with Aquarius Sun, rather it's about Uranus\Aquarius qualities in partnership (partner). imo

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My husband has sun conjunct Uranus.

posted May 09, 2016 11:49 AM            

HMmmm
I definitely feel my moon in the 7th when it comes to partnerships...
I do give freedom though. Like you can do what you want , as long as you love me more and eventually come back to me

posted May 09, 2016 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Pisces Plutonian:
I have Pisces on my descendant and I'm not attracted to it. My sun is in Pisces and I have all of the typical traits of the sign, so I don't feel like dating a person just like me.

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Good example of when you don't need a person with points/qualities of the sign on your DC/7th. This flips things around so that the balancing point in relating to others could be found with planets in their chart conjunct/parallel your Asc or 1st house planets.

Its all about person #2 bringing in balancing factors, and there are no strict rules about this. Astrology is far more dynamic than flat wheel charts would suggest. Sagittarians (or those with other planets there) can find synastry balancing points with those who have planets/points in Capricorn (by parallels of declination) or in Cancer, as well as Gemini (both allow contra-parallel synastry aspects).

This is part of why you see so many couples who have adjacent Sun signs, particularly Cancer/Gemini, or Cap/Sag -- or cross mixture of those.

My Asc = 17 Virgo. My wife's Mars 20 Pisces.

posted May 09, 2016 11:37 PM            

I like Virgo well enough, especially if they have fire placements, since I'm all earth and air. As you might guess, we get along just fine, and Virgo men are attractive - but unless they have fire to be able to make the first move, it's a stalemate. They don't want to move, I don't want to move...so I've never dated one!

I generally like Leo placements (especially Leo Mars), but I haven't met very many Leo Suns to know whether or not I like them. Leos are usually not in the same tiny social circle as quiet Virgos such as myself.

There's not much in common with my exes and my DSC. What is common with them is: Aries placements (I have Moon-Mars conjunction and a ton of Mars squares), Aquarius placements (I have Venus trine Uranus), Gemini (I have Gemini Moon/Mars and Mercury in Virgo/7th house) and Taurus (I have Venus in Virgo/7th house, Mercury conjunct Venus and several Venus squares).

posted May 10, 2016 01:55 AM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:
I have a Scorpio descendant and to be honest, I'm not that attracted to Scorpios or Scorpio placements. I even have Pluto in the seventh house.

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Kicking the dust off an old thread, okay.
Something I was told was always look one house up, because of progression.
Whereas any planets in(if any)the 7th and the one that rules it(and aspects to that one) always show details of partner in someway as already covered in answers posted// later that becomes the 6th and that relationship can make you SICK UNLESS everything is just perfect.
Inner planets can move more quickly or not if rx in development(progression). Aspects formed between two person in natals may not pan out.
At least maybe as the 8th becomes the 7th you may have great sex, often a rather important element, ime