posted October 29, 2013 10:57 AM            

But what is their order pf importance? In other words, is a Leo Asc more "Leo" in nature than their Leo Sun cousins?

In my experience, the Asc sign is very evident in idnividuals and tehn followed very closely by the Moon.

Sometimes I can struggle to make out the Sun sign positions.

But what are your experiences?

Does someone who has the Moon in Taurus seem more 'Tauruean' in nature than someone with the Sun/Ascendant therein?

posted October 29, 2013 11:13 AM            

Then the Sun, the Sun is just their and is your core sense of self, ego, spirit & and how you do things.

posted October 29, 2013 11:24 AM            

For me sun is a relative to the question: what is the point of life?

Moon is feelings at the moment.

And asc obviously how you present yourself.

posted October 29, 2013 12:07 PM            

That way it's like, going through all the planets, moon mercury venus mars saturn etc, and then finally to the ultimate point - the sun. The sun is the result of all the journey. And it repeats itself all over again. Like photosynthesis cycle.

But that's not a rational way to explain it. Scientifically speaking, sun affects us more than moon, but they are both required to live. Still I would go with sun.

posted October 29, 2013 12:28 PM            

my asc is scorpio
my chart ruler is domicile.
my moon is exalted
my sun is domicile

posted October 30, 2013 02:15 AM            

Is that a consistent feeling one that fleets?

I don't dispute that other planetary placements do have a role to play. But my thinking is more on the lines of "pervasive" personality.

Who are you "all" the time as opposed to "some" of the time?

I, for instance, unconsiously look for pleasant environments and am drwan to comfort.

I do like physical expressions of affection; hugging, kissing, caressing etc.

I do pay careful , sometimes even obsessive, attention to my bank balance.

posted October 30, 2013 02:48 AM            

If you think logically, then moon position (in space) is closer to earth than sun. I don't know where ascendant is located though. Maybe in between the sun and moon? Can anyone tell me where it is?

Really? The Sun??

The Ascendant is no clearly defined position that cannot be pointed at.

It is, and I quote, "the point on the ecliptic at which it intersects the eastern horizon at a particular time, typically that of a person's birth."

I am more likely to recognize the Moon position than the Sun sign.

posted October 30, 2013 03:16 AM            

Me personally I would put Mars & Saturns importance near aswell, probably over the ascendant... the ascendant is important but these are on equal footing .. imo

I think that Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Pluto etc only add to the flavour and do not necessarily retain independent importance.

For instances, a Gemini Ascending who has Saturn and Pluto in the sign of the 1st house cusp may, on the one hand, repsond to their environment through the intellect.

On the other hand ,there is definite attention to detail(Saturn) in how one relates to others i.e sentence construction and the use of appropriate words to convey meaning.

And this Gemini may have an interest in studying language and its origin etc(Pluto).Or they may enjoy reading books that have psychological themes-as they have a healing affect on them(Pluto).

posted October 30, 2013 03:22 AM            

Of course,that's how she and people might see me but it doesn't mean that I stop being a cancer that is sensitive.

I second this notion. That is why I said that the Moon runs a very close second to the Ascendant.

Many people think that I appear "serious". But they also see that I am changeable and moody.

posted October 30, 2013 03:25 AM            

I honestly can't imagine not identifying with the Sun sign.

I tend to think of the it like this...

ASC = Attitude, outlook on the world, our mask.

SUN = Mission in life, inner sense of identity, our will or intentions.

MOON = Security needs, emotional responses, our need for a 'haven'.

The Asc rules the surface of our personality, like a banner or slogan that we walk around wearing. It's our social mask, our mannerisms, and our personal point of view on life. Because of this in the early stages of knowing someone we could potentially mistake them for their Asc sign (and 1st house planets). Usually once we know someone more deeply we'll see the rest of their chart as well.

I have read somewhere that when things are going well in our lives, and we're feeling confident, we tend to feel like our Sun position... We feel vital, alive and in control, in the style of our Sun position. But the when things go wrong and we're worried about our security, or we became emotional about personal issues, we tend to feel like our Moon sign... The frightened child in us emerges. We seek and give comfort in the style of our Moon, and if backed into a corner we'll lash out in the style of our Moon too. Remember the Moon rules the sign Cancer (with it's pincers) and Cancers tend to attack only when provoked or cornered.

posted October 30, 2013 03:52 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I know the ascendant is supposed to be the first thing people pick up on when they meet you but that is just not the case IMO. I always pick up on people's sun sign and sometimes the moon, but never the ascendant. The ascendant is much more subtle, for me i pick up on the ascendant after I know what it is and im like "aha ! Now that makes sense" but I have never guessed anyone's ascendant after meeting them.

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Despite what I said above about the Asc I do the same. I'll pick up on someones Sun or Moon usually before the Asc. I still believe the Asc rules our mannerisms and outlook, but the Sun and Moon just seem to shine out for me in a more obvious way when I get to know people.

I'm a Capricorn with Sagittarius Asc. My personal out look is pretty Sag-like, and I do have Sag-like mannerisms, and speech patterns (mercury and Venus are also in Sag in my case). But I think most people are able to identify me as a Capricorn-like person in general... Responsible, stable, determined and all of that.

I mentioned people being mistaken for their Asc above, because this can happen in some cases. I think people with the Asc in the early degrees of a sign have big impact. And some people are just more sensitive to picking up on other people's Asc energy then others. The have been cases where I've strongly picked up on a person's Asc energy.

posted October 30, 2013 04:11 AM            

Plus if you say that sun is just a stereotype, then if you chose moon as the main thing, then the same thing would happen again. 12 moon signs, and everyone would be stereotyped by them. Same thing goes with ascendant

For me, it’s not really a question of stereotypes. That can’t be avoided.
But the idea is to have astrology be more accurate. If it can be proven that the Sun sign does not do justice to the description of the predominant personality of the individual concerned, why should we continue to assume it has dominance?

I am finding, in more and more cases, that the Asc and Moon sign are really more telling.Someone with the Sun in Cancer may find it very easy to relate to their “cardinal square” Sun in Libra partner.

This person may dismiss the astrological theory that this relationship is challenging and assert, “But we got on splendidly from the word go”.

posted October 30, 2013 05:29 AM            

I think I'm more of my moon than asc, though. but also i wonder how much it could have to do with my moon aspecting my sun more tightly. also - my chart ruler isn't a personal planet.

So, if the Sun is dominant, I'd have to assume that you come across as someone very confident,dignified and can "wing it" at any given social situations.

There is likely to be a surety about you and you may love talking about yourself and don't mind giving presentaions, being a host at a party and generally feel very comfortable in the public command?

When you have Scorpio on the Ascendant, this sign changes the outward personal projection quite a bit. You may appear a lot more reserved,serious and observant(rather than participatory) in character.

You may not like talking about yourself, may keep to yourself and generally
there is an added focus in doing things(as if obsessed) and you are unlikely to be flamboyant.

Where is your Moon? In Taurus?

This should make your emotional temperament quite placid and mature. This moon placement can help in soothing much of Scorpio Ascendants sweeping responses.

But here's the rub; do you find that you often "rationalize" your instinctive responses?

In instances where you see something and are completely outaraged that it is happening, do you find yourself calming yourself down? That could be the Moons response to Scorpio's intense feelings by sayig "its not that bad" or "maybe there are two sides to the story" etc.

posted October 30, 2013 08:20 AM            

Actually, when I was a bit younger my virgo asc seemed to dominate all the time. But as I grow my aries sun seems to be getting more daily life thing.

Maybe it's a formula: Asc + moon -------> Sun + moon.

Moon is like a bonus, like satellite going with you all your life. A good friend of yours. Sun is the ultimate point.

But seriously that's rubbish. I think there will never be anything in astrology agreed on, because obviously everyone has different opinion and different experiences.

posted October 30, 2013 08:33 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
[b]PlutoFish

The Moon is most personal to you and is your home, i would say the moon is the most important to an individual.
Then the Sun, the Sun is just their and is your core sense of self, ego, spirit & and how you do things.

Then the Ascendant, the beginning of the map, marking how you make every new start, beginning and how you face things.

Me personally I would put Mars & Saturns importance near aswell, probably over the ascendant... the ascendant is important but these are on equal footing .. imo

I think that Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Pluto etc only add to the flavour and do not necessarily retain independent importance.

For instances, a Gemini Ascending who has Saturn and Pluto in the sign of the 1st house cusp may, on the one hand, repsond to their environment through the intellect.

On the other hand ,there is definite attention to detail(Saturn) in how one relates to others i.e sentence construction and the use of appropriate words to convey meaning.

And this Gemini may have an interest in studying language and its origin etc(Pluto).Or they may enjoy reading books that have psychological themes-as they have a healing affect on them(Pluto).

But in as far as their ascendant is concerned, that remains unchanged. Being a Gemini rising means that words, expression, speaking,writing, communication etc is their modus operandi.[/B]

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Mars goverens the whole area of how you take action, without Mars you wouldn't be able to move...

Without Saturn you would have no ability to hold onto time or reality.

Personally i feel my Moon most, then ascendant, then sun, but it would depend on the way your chart is built

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus (1st)
Moon in Capricorn (2nd)
Mercury in Sagittarius (1st)
Venus in Scorpio (11th)
Mars in Leo (9th)