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Topic: What aspects make a narcissist or psychopath?
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted November 04, 2013 05:43 PM
  
Grand trines can contribute to a life of "getting away with it" but they can also create opportunities for greatness. All depends on what you do with it. Most of the suggestions here are irrelevant to AC, whichis often different w twins too IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Grand trines can contribute to a life of "getting away with it" but they can also create opportunities for greatness. All depends on what you do with it.
That's what I think, too! It seems like the softer charts have an easier time getting away with stuff and it's not always mass murder or anything that horrible, although it could be, it can be little things, like taking paper clips at work, similar to that in triviality, while someone without the grand trine might get reprimanded for the same thing. A lot of it could be due to their personalities. Someone with a grand trine could be more charming, depends on the planets involved. The charm could be inconsistent if the trines are afflicted. Ascendant and moon sign might play into it, too. Some people just get away with more than others. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 04, 2013 05:51 PM
To have no empathy( or little), I don't think you can have a tender Moon placement.------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted November 04, 2013 06:04 PM
Empathy can be a very complicated matter because it tends to fluctuate in a single individual and they can feel different amounts at different times for different people or situations. Most people have, at the very least, a little empathy but, sometimes, it's only for specific people. They could empathize with their parents but not with their brothers and sisters for example, or with their grandparents but not their parents. I have noticed this. It's not really about someone either having empathy or not, it's who they feel empathy with.I have never met one person who feels empathy for everyone at all times equally. So, that's why you see serial killers who target specific groups. They appear to completely lack empathy for people in that group, to the point they see them as objects, not thinking, feeling, living beings. IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted November 04, 2013 06:24 PM
That was a great explanation SSS! Isn't it common for a serial killer to be absolutely protective of certain people? I think it was The Ice Man that had a family and children while contract killing for a job. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted November 04, 2013 06:27 PM
“The one common thread I've seen in charts of NPDs (Narcissistic Personality Disroder) and of people who lack empathy, is a lack of water planets and water house placements. Water is, of course, the element that rules emotions. Lack of water does not mean lack of emotion, but it does speak to a certain difficulty in dealing with emotion, and in come cases that could cause one to just shut off from emotion, which is the case in many NPDs.”
http://comfychairastrology.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-myth-of-lance-armstrong.html
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NeptunianSag
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From: Your imagination
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 04, 2013 06:36 PM
Scorpio sun with aries moon imo, with afflicted venus. Well, that was my experience. Add a dash of neptune, and there you go a wolf in sheeps clothing, deceiving but really is bad underneath it all.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by MsPrism:
That was a great explanation SSS! Isn't it common for a serial killer to be absolutely protective of certain people? I think it was The Ice Man that had a family and children while contract killing for a job.
Thanks for the compliment, Ms Prism! It's very common for serial killers to be so in sync with their families, and if they are not married, their parents, or those they grew up with, they never suspect them and even if there's a vague suspicion, they cannot believe it, so they ignore it and this is how more than one has been able to continue their killing spree even longer. So some of them do seem to have that special bond with certain people, so strong, they are never suspected by them. It's strange. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 06:39 PM
I fail to see the connection between jupiter and sociopaths/psychopaths. Jupiter has nothing to do with mental disorders, it has to do with ones luck or lack thereof. I have sun opposite jupiter and moon square jupiter. I am far from being a sociopath. these aspects have affected me by giving me a tendency to be irresponsible and wasteful with my resources.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I fail to see the connection between jupiter and sociopaths/psychopaths. Jupiter has nothing to do with mental disorders, it has to do with ones luck or lack thereof. I have sun opposite jupiter and moon square jupiter. I am far from being a sociopath. these aspects have affected me by giving me a tendency to be irresponsible and wasteful with my resources.
People with well aspected Jupiters are luckier, like you said. A lot of times people comment about serial killers, "they get lucky," meaning they don't get caught.
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted November 04, 2013 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[b]I fail to see the connection between jupiter and sociopaths/psychopaths. Jupiter has nothing to do with mental disorders, it has to do with ones luck or lack thereof. I have sun opposite jupiter and moon square jupiter. I am far from being a sociopath. these aspects have affected me by giving me a tendency to be irresponsible and wasteful with my resources.
People with well aspected Jupiters are luckier, like you said. A lot of times people comment about serial killers, "they get lucky," meaning they don't get caught. [/B][/QUOTE]
ok... and your point is? Btw most serial killers get caught.
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hannaramaa
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posted November 04, 2013 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by MsPrism:
That was a great explanation SSS! Isn't it common for a serial killer to be absolutely protective of certain people? I think it was The Ice Man that had a family and children while contract killing for a job.
He did, and even though he beat his family (his wife most often, typical) she was the only woman he ever loved, would die for. One time a big mafia guy hired him to kill his wife and child and Richard Kuklinski killed the mafia guy instead. Killing women and children was against his code of honor. I read a biography on him and looked up his chart and he was double fire (Leo moon! Leos aren't good with empathy. The right ones can control their emotions but that also includes empathy) IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 3497
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 04, 2013 06:51 PM
Well then let's rule out the krays as sociopaths/psychos, with Scorp sun, cancer rising and pluto, saturn in h8 and moon sextile sun (at least in Ronnie's case) Neptune in h4...I repeat any chart can be used differently by different people. It may point to possibilities but nothing is inevitable. In Hitler's chart Liz Greene pointed out that an unaspected Uranus apparently served to make him the "mouth" of an era and a zeitgeist that was not particular to him personally. Perhaps undisciplined empathy and psychic powers can actually make a watery person feel justified in psyc hopathic actions? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
ok... and your point is? Btw most serial killers get caught.
My point is, Jupiter well aspected points to being well liked, not getting caught, getting away with things others do not get away with. People with well aspected Jupiters tend to be charming and jovial. Jupiter is the greater benefic, it isn't called that for nothing. It is fortunate for the person who has it well aspected or prominent, even if it means getting away with things others, generally, do not. Yes, they do get caught but it takes a while and most of it is due to their luck. What I mean by don't get caught is they don't get caught on their first murders, it takes a while. They typically kill for years before they get caught. So for their many victims, they might as well not get caught because they do not in time to save them.
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted November 04, 2013 07:01 PM
Yes, jupiter people are well liked because they are genuinely nice and mean well. jupiter doesn't have a darkside in my opinion, its the obly planet you can really say that about. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted November 04, 2013 07:02 PM
If people click on the link I posted above, they'll see the explanation of those with NPD--lack of water placements or water house placements.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Well then let's rule out the krays as sociopaths/psychos, with Scorp sun, cancer rising and pluto, saturn in h8 and moon sextile sun (at least in Ronnie's case) Neptune in h4...I repeat any chart can be used differently by different people. It may point to possibilities but nothing is inevitable. In Hitler's chart Liz Greene pointed out that an unaspected Uranus apparently served to make him the "mouth" of an era and a zeitgeist that was not particular to him personally. Perhaps undisciplined empathy and psychic powers can actually make a watery person feel justified in psyc hopathic actions?
That's my opinion, too, we see eye-to-eye, Catalina! People will justify their lack of empathy by telling themselves so-and-so doesn't deserve it so they will not give it. This is why empathy fluctuates. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yes, jupiter people are well liked because they are genuinely nice and mean well. jupiter doesn't have a darkside in my opinion, its the obly planet you can really say that about.
It's not that Jupiter has a dark side. It's more about Jupiter letting certain conditions fester by turning a blind eye. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
If people click on the link I posted above, they'll see the explanation of those with NPD--lack of water placements or water house placements.
That's just one example, but a very valid, one, 12thhouser, thanks for the link! I skimmed it but look forward to studying it in depth. I'm confused, why would somebody say Madonna is NPD? She might be a huge star but she doesn't seem that way to me. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted November 04, 2013 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
That's just one example, but a very valid, one, 12thhouser, thanks for the link! I skimmed it but look forward to studying it in depth.
It's more than one example, if you read the article. It says that's a common thread among those with NPD.
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geea
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posted November 04, 2013 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Geea
You are a sweetie and I don't mean to be flippant with you. You prolly have something personal with this topic. However, most conditions can be seen by the chart. I believe a person can overcome any chart with a true relationship with God. Other than that, I don't think one can. At any rate, I think all conditions and issues can be looked at with Astrology.
If i show you a chart, without giving you any information, can you guess if the person suffered schizophrenia or real demonic posession? 
Again, food for thought, nothing personal
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
It's more than one example, if you read the article. It says that's a common thread among those with NPD.
I disagree with some of those names being NPD, Donald Trump and Madonna, specifically. Did you read what it said about Lance having Jupiter conjunct Neptune in Scorpio/house 1? Ted Bundy has a Scorpio Jupiter also and he his sun and moon are ruled by that planet. Okay, so he might have them conjunct in first house Sagittarius, the article isn't very clear on that, lol. He is a Scorpio ascendant so he does have his ascendant in water. Bundy does have Jupiter in Scorpio, that's a water placement. He has Venus there too, I think. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted November 04, 2013 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Did you read what it said about Lance having Jupiter conjunct Neptune in Scorpio/house 1?
You misread the article: "Lance is a late Scorpio rising, with Neptune and Jupiter conjunct in the 1st house." Lance Armstrong has Jupiter conjunct Neptune in Sagittarius. He has Scorpio rising, but Jupiter and Neptune in Sagittarius in the 1st. Neither a water sign or house with those placements. quote:
Ted Bundy has a Scorpio Jupiter also and he his sun and moon are ruled by that planet.
The article was referring to those with NPD, not sociopaths. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted November 04, 2013 07:22 PM
If i show you a chart, without giving you any information, can you guess if the person suffered schizophrenia or real demonic posession?
Again, food for thought, nothing personal. I think this may be able to be distinguished but it would be a study and not something I would want to undertake on a bet etc ------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 04, 2013 07:26 PM
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Astrologically, the word myth speaks to Neptune. Lance is a late Scorpio rising, with Neptune and Jupiter conjunct in the 1st house. Neptune rising by itself gives one an aura or a glamourous image, and conjunct Jupiter it just makes him seem larger than life.
This is what the article says and it's kind of vague. My point is supported by this info, though. Lance has a prominent Jupiter, angular, in a strong house, but, I meant my interpretation for sociopaths rather than those with NPD. People tend to lump the two together, hence the original topic.
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