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Topic: What aspects make a narcissist or psychopath?
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12thhouser
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posted November 04, 2013 07:27 PM
  
More from the article about Lance Armstrong, those with NPD, and astrology:"Lance does not have a single planet in water!... On top of that, he has no planets in the water houses either! This is one very tough cookie with no empathy or kindness for others. If he appears kind, its likely because there is something in it for him." This seems to be the hallmark of those with NPD... if they do act generously, there’s an agenda.
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Gabby
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posted November 04, 2013 07:29 PM
(37117) Narcissus conjunct AC/Merc or Sun
my Narcissus conjunct my DNA and i think im pretty awesome, especially my DNA!IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 04, 2013 07:29 PM
If he has no empathy does that make him a sociopath and how does the author of that article know for certain Lance Armstrong has absolutely no empathy whatsoever. He could have low empathy, not no empathy. If someone has no empathy at all, they would get caught right away, in childhood, and locked up forever, a true Michael Myers type.IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted November 04, 2013 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
If he has no empathy does that make him a sociopath and how does the author of that article know for certain Lance Armstrong has absolutely no empathy whatsoever. He could have low empathy, not no empathy. If someone has no empathy at all, they would get caught right away, in childhood, and locked up forever, a true Michael Myers type.
Water is associated with empathy. He doesn't have any, by house or sign. Those I know who've watched Armstrong talk about his drug use for the Tour de France said he showed no remorse for what he did.
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somethingexcellent
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posted November 04, 2013 07:39 PM
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aquaguy91: I fail to see the connection between jupiter and sociopaths/psychopaths. Jupiter has nothing to do with mental disorders, it has to do with ones luck or lack thereof
Jupiter is your evolution from experience. You mentioned being wasteful with resources due to your opposition and square, but that's not bad luck, it's being unable to evolve from your experiences with resources! Jupiter can be related to empathy disorders, I think, because if you fail to integrate your Jupiter well, you do not learn nor care to learn how to grow towards greater good, which is a Jupiter function. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 04, 2013 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Water is associated with empathy. He doesn't have any, by house or sign. Those I know who've watched Armstrong talk about his drug use for the Tour de France said he showed no remorse for what he did.
Not about his actions in regard to this particular incident or similar he has engaged in but it doesn't necessarily mean he completely lacks empathy. He has, most likely, convinced his psyche he can forgo empathy in this particular area of his life. He has rationalized it. Rationalization is one way people lower their empathy, from what I have seen. Anyone can do it if they rationalize, not just sociopaths or people with NPD. They make an excuse and decide they will have no empathy, but they could still go home, cuddle their dog or cat, hug their S.O. and children, let them cry on their shoulders, be comforting, kind, compassionate. Everything you expect from someone who has empathy. Humans are complicated creatures.
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12thhouser
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posted November 04, 2013 07:51 PM
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
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Not about his actions in regard to this particular incident or similar he has engaged in but it doesn't necessarily mean he completely lacks empathy. He has, most likely, convinced his psyche he can forgo empathy in this particular area of his life. He has rationalized it. Rationalization is one way people lower their empathy, from what I have seen. Anyone can do it if they rationalize, not just sociopaths or people with NPD. They make an excuse and decide they will have no empathy, but they could still go home, cuddle their dog or cat, hug their S.O. and children, let them cry on their shoulders, be comforting, kind, compassionate. Everything you expect from someone who has empathy. Humans are complicated creatures.
I gave one example of his low/lack of empathy. I'm guessing there are plenty more. Like the way he divorced his wife who stood by him during his cancer. I felt the article made an interesting point with a lack of water placements and NPD. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 04, 2013 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Jupiter is your evolution from experience. You mentioned being wasteful with resources due to your opposition and square, but that's not bad luck, it's being unable to evolve from your experiences with resources!Jupiter can be related to empathy disorders, I think, because if you fail to integrate your Jupiter well, you do not learn nor care to learn how to grow towards greater good, which is a Jupiter function.
I like this explanation, too! If you are not responding well to Jupiter, could mean you are cut off from growth of your psyche which leads to a more evolved outlook on life. Mercury and Jupiter are kinda at odds with one another. Jupiter is thought of as philosophy and wisdom while Mercury is more like logic and lore. Maybe that's why so many complain about the sun Sags they know? People with Jupiter emphasized are those most likely to fail in responding to it's higher vibration? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 04, 2013 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I gave one example of his low/lack of empathy. I'm guessing there are plenty more. Like the way he divorced his wife who stood by him during his cancer. I felt the article made an interesting point with a lack of water placements and NPD.
Like I said, it's due to rationalizing. This is how people lower their empathy. He could have had empathy toward his wife while she stood by him when he had Cancer, he lowered it by telling himself negative things about her during their divorce. Empathy tends to fluctuate. I firmly believe that. I have seen it countless times, so many examples irl of what I am referring to here. People are not constant in how they think or feel. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted November 04, 2013 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Like I said, it's due to rationalizing. This is how people lower their empathy. He could have had empathy toward his wife while she stood by him when he had Cancer, he lowered it by telling himself negative things about her during their divorce. Empathy tends to fluctuate. I firmly believe that. I have seen it countless times, so many examples irl of what I am referring to here. People are not constant in how they think or feel.
Rationalizing in lieu of empathizing. perhaps the hallmark of one with NPD. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 04, 2013 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Rationalizing in lieu of empathizing. perhaps the hallmark of one with NPD.
Yes, good point! It could just be the rationalizing we see without empathy. This is one way they could actually lack it entirely though I am not totally convinced they do. Thanks for the insight!IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted November 04, 2013 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Jupiter is your evolution from experience. You mentioned being wasteful with resources due to your opposition and square, but that's not bad luck, it's being unable to evolve from your experiences with resources!Jupiter can be related to empathy disorders, I think, because if you fail to integrate your Jupiter well, you do not learn nor care to learn how to grow towards greater good, which is a Jupiter function.
That's just part of the way it manifests in my life. I do tend to invest and spend my money haphazardly, which is something im working on. I also have bad luck.. Seeing as my Jupiter is in the 6th house and my midheaven is in Sagittarius I usually have bad luck in the workplace.well actually my luck is partly good because I can always get a job easily but it always comes with tons of bs . I have never had a job that I liked because there is always tons of bsI have to put up with. That's essentially how Jupiter affects me .
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DeepFreeze
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posted November 05, 2013 01:43 AM
John Wayne Gacy - classic example of the psycho masked with charm. EXTREMELY well liked. Business man, involved in politics, clown for the kids, helped people in his community. But psycho *afflicted moons* IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted November 05, 2013 02:08 AM
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Do you have any teories or facts of what aspects in natal chart bring these personalities: Narcissist
Retrograde planets in Aries! Narcissism seems like a distortion on everything Aries-related.. the self - one's self image etc.. Venus in Aries retrograde seems to be the biggest culprit in my experience. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted November 05, 2013 02:33 AM
It's not lack of water.I know a double Piscean narcissist. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted November 05, 2013 02:44 AM
Leo moon, obviIP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted November 05, 2013 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yes, jupiter people are well liked because they are genuinely nice and mean well. jupiter doesn't have a darkside in my opinion, its the only planet you can really say that about.
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speak for yourself.
All planets have positive and darksided' traits.
Jupiter is not arrogant in the way Mars is..
Jupiter has that I'm holier than you attitude.
I'm always right etc. I have Sun,Moon, Asc, Mercury, and Venus square Jupiter.
I don't believe in luck simply because i have control of my life and my actions . However Jupiter is in Virgo...
Narcissism/sociopathy and Virgo just does not go together..
I can list every single flaw I posses with out thinking.
Yet I'm optimistic about them..
I can list qualities that can easily counter those flaws etc. In terms of Jupiter in Virgo it does make me a snob.
Not proud of it, just a simple fact..
My dad with unaspected Jupiter in Virgo is a HUGE snob! As for you.. I won't comment on the lack of character flaws you seem to ignore... isn't your Jupiter in Leo hmm.. Hmm actually now that I think about it..
Jupiter in virgo isn't so bad..
At least I'm not a superstitious nut. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted November 05, 2013 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
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speak for yourself.
All planets have positive and darksided' traits.
Jupiter is not arrogant in the way Mars is..
Jupiter has that I'm holier than you attitude.
I'm always right etc.I have Sun,Moon, Asc, Mercury, and Venus square Jupiter.
I don't believe in luck simply because i have control of my life and my actions . However Jupiter is in Virgo...
Narcissism/sociopathy and Virgo just does not go together..
I can list every single flaw I posses with out thinking.
Yet I'm optimistic about them..
I can list qualities that can easily counter those flaws etc. In terms of Jupiter in Virgo it does make me a snob.
Not proud of it, just a simple fact..
My dad with unaspected Jupiter in Virgo is a HUGE snob! As for you.. I won't comment on the lack of character flaws you seem to ignore... isn't your Jupiter in Leo hmm.. Hmm actually now that I think about it..
Jupiter in virgo isn't so bad..
At least I'm not a superstitious nut.
And just what would you know about my character flaws? IP: Logged |
Pure
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posted November 05, 2013 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
"Lance does not have a single planet in water!... On top of that, he has no planets in the water houses either! This is one very tough cookie with no empathy or kindness for others. If he appears kind, its likely because there is something in it for him."
As someone who has no water and who attracts people with no water I vehemently disagree with this statement. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 05, 2013 08:39 AM
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geea
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posted November 05, 2013 09:28 AM
@Kerosene
How many Jupiter in Leo do you know IN REAL LIFE?IP: Logged |
geea
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posted November 05, 2013 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Pure:
As someone who has no water and who attracts people with no water I vehemently disagree with this statement.
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Ami Anne
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posted November 05, 2013 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Retrograde planets in Aries!Narcissism seems like a distortion on everything Aries-related.. the self - one's self image etc.. Venus in Aries retrograde seems to be the biggest culprit in my experience.
Interesting, Odette. I never heard of that or thought of it. ------------------
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Catalina
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posted November 05, 2013 10:34 AM
Folks, astrology is not a tool for chatacter assassination-by-placements! Grow up, please!Geea is right, it is irresponsible to claim you can see a psycho in the chart. With HINDSIGHT you can see in his chart what influenced him but twins are absolute proof that the chart does not MAKE the man but describe the materials he came into.this life with. And since charts progress by the time so and so became a wackjob, their chart was well altered from what you are looking at. Take a first house Neptune..this could be said to confuse.the issue.of.one's identity, or indicate a con-artist... Or a genius painter. Please don't reduce astrology to a tool for justifying hatred or contempt (or fear). After decades of people asking me "is this the right one (job)(home)(whatever) I swear the chart does not make anyone anything. People make their charts into a treasure trove or a minefield through their own Free Will. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 05, 2013 10:37 AM
Aquaguy, Sweetie
Just ignore 
The skill of ignoring is right up there with typing. I could never have my business if I responded to every dumb thing people said to me.
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