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Topic: What aspects make a narcissist or psychopath?
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted November 05, 2013 12:24 PM
  
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Folks, astrology is not a tool for chatacter assassination-by-placements! Grow up, please!Geea is right, it is irresponsible to claim you can see a psycho in the chart. With HINDSIGHT you can see in his chart what influenced him but twins are absolute proof that the chart does not MAKE the man but describe the materials he came into.this life with. And since charts progress by the time so and so became a wackjob, their chart was well altered from what you are looking at. Take a first house Neptune..this could be said to confuse.the issue.of.one's identity, or indicate a con-artist... Or a genius painter. Please don't reduce astrology to a tool for justifying hatred or contempt (or fear). After decades of people asking me "is this the right one (job)(home)(whatever) I swear the chart does not make anyone anything. People make their charts into a treasure trove or a minefield through their own Free Will.
People are reading too much into this thread. I actually know someone with sun sextile Jupiter who is a bit on the narcissistic side and has gotten away with some pretty rotten behavior in the past, made excuses and didn't even receive a slap on the wrist. It's true! It's not like I am just making up what I think could possibly be in the chart of a narcissist or somebody who gets away with bad behavior, I actually know of one actual example. Others have provided examples they might know personally, or have been researched a bit and published articles. It just seems like people are overreacting a bit to this. If one person has sun sextile Jupiter and could possibly get away with murder if she tried, does it mean everyone with this particular aspect would murder someone? Of course not! This aspect does help endear them to authority figures though. That's what sun and Jupiter in good aspect indicates. Sun and Jupiter energies are on good terms, they work positively in the native's lives. This means they are going to have the blessings of authority figures. If I see someone with sun sextile Jupiter am I going to automatically assume they are narcissists, no, but I would be on the look out for it just because I know a bit about astrology and what Jupiter is all about. Anyone can read up on astrology and find out this info, not just on LL.
And if we know people like this irl, without mentioning much info on them so no one here will know who they are, can't we talk about them here and what we see in their charts? That's pretty much what we are doing.
Even with Lance Armstrong, he has a first house Neptune and has gifts but is it okay to talk about his shortcomings with this placement as well?
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Ami Anne
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posted November 05, 2013 12:54 PM
You don't have to defend yourself, SSS. You didn't do anything wrong. We are free to talk about Astrology as we are.
If people don't like it, they can express their opinions and we can choose to move on with the discussion.
That is what I think we should do and not get sidetracked with this kind of thing. It serves no purpose.------------------
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12thhouser
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posted November 05, 2013 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by Pure:
As someone who has no water and who attracts people with no water I vehemently disagree with this statement.
Unless you've got undiagnosed NPD yourself? Don't forget 'no water house placements' either. IP: Logged |
geea
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posted November 06, 2013 02:20 AM
^ you have a neurotic fixation on water voids
(dont worry, i know what i talk about i grew up with someone who has a degree in psychology  )@SSS, i dont deny who and what you may have known but its irrelevant considering this planet has 7 billion people you never met. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted November 06, 2013 11:48 AM
Yes we can all express our opinions. Sorry SSS, about the "grow up people" however I have an aversion to using astrology to put people in boxes of any kinds.Yes, some water voids are psychopaths, but as pointed out earier, the Kray twins, proven psychosociopaths have plenty of water. And some people may appear to be using their first house Neptunes psychotically, but plenty do not! I'm sure Ami would agree...?
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted November 06, 2013 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Yes we can all express our opinions. Sorry SSS, about the "grow up people" however I have an aversion to using astrology to put people in boxes of any kinds.Yes, some water voids are psychopaths, but as pointed out earier, the Kray twins, proven psychosociopaths have plenty of water. And some people may appear to be using their first house Neptunes psychotically, but plenty do not! I'm sure Ami would agree...?
Water voids are more narcissistic, the article pointed out. A good question would be is a narcissist automatically a pyschopath, too, or are these two different kettle of fish?
Ted Bundy is a psychopath and he has Jupiter in Scorpio so I know water signs are capable of being just as psychopathic as any other. I like to look at aspects to see what they can get away with, but that's just me. Of course, not everyone with the same aspect has the same experience. There are so many variables, transits, progressions, synastry, midpoints. No two people are going to be identical that's why I look at people I know irl and rely somewhat on what I have read about certain aspects. I do agree about good aspects from Jupiter to the sun giving people more ease and luck in their lives. I wish I could order one for myself 
Believe me, if someone were handing out good aspects from sun to Jupiter, I would be first in line and would take as many as allowed. IP: Logged |
Liliya
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posted November 06, 2013 12:00 PM
Psychopath and narcissist are two different things. Doesn't mean, that one can't have both conditions.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted November 06, 2013 01:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
Yes we can all express our opinions. Sorry SSS, about the "grow up people" however I have an aversion to using astrology to put people in boxes of any kinds.Yes, some water voids are psychopaths, but as pointed out earier, the Kray twins, proven psychosociopaths have plenty of water. And some people may appear to be using their first house Neptunes psychotically, but plenty do not! I'm sure Ami would agree...?
Cat
My history of interactions with you is that you like to cause trouble for the heck of it. So, I am just going to move on. Peace to you  ------------------
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DeepFreeze
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posted November 06, 2013 01:34 PM
Aspects and houses would matter much more than signs, wouldn't they? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 06, 2013 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Aspects and houses would matter much more than signs, wouldn't they?
That's what I think. I am fascinated by water houses. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 06, 2013 01:43 PM
Ami as someone who gets in fights all over the board(not just with me), I suspect you are projecting your Eris onto me again. No need for you to get in the middle of a convo that was not antagonistic in the first place. SSS and I can manage fine thanks! Of course if you would like to weigh in on first house Neptune, that might add to the conversation. Moving on allowed however! You take care! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 06, 2013 01:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
Ami as someone who gets in fights all over the board, I suspect you are projecting your Eris onto me again. No need for you to get in the middle of a convo that was not antagonistic in the first place. SSS and I can manage fine thanks! You take care!
Cat, Don't direct questions to me if you don't want honest answers  ------------------
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Catalina
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posted November 06, 2013 01:53 PM
The only question I asked was about first house Neptune. Honesty would be most appreciated if you care to answer.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 06, 2013 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
The only question I asked was about first house Neptune. Honesty would be most appreciated if you care to answer.
I don't care to interact with you, Cat. Take care ------------------
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted November 06, 2013 04:41 PM
Anyway, perhaps the first house Neptune will clarify what I was trying to say...re planets "making" people anything.This placement can be found in the charts of artists, dreamers, con artists, and also people who are just plain confused about who they are...or where they end and Other begins. So it can indicate an empath, a charity worker, OR a psychopath. When you take a person and look at their chart to explain their behavior, Neptune in first will stand out, but it is highly likely that most people with first house Neptune do NOT stand out much at all and only tend to Neptunian pastimes or careers...? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 06, 2013 04:47 PM
It could be a boundary issue and Neptune tends to confuse boundaries. The killer feels entitled to another person's body, to take out their rage or destroy for their own gain.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted November 06, 2013 04:55 PM
I don't see rage as Neptunian unless it is connected to something more openly agressive. Usually more likely to be passive aggressive, but somehow I think the ability to see themselves as the wounded one might make it easy to rationalize antisocial behavior. Like "cheat before you get cheated".. Armstrong,for example, may have been a cheater but he wasn't a killer..IP: Logged |
filleaspirant
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posted November 06, 2013 04:58 PM
I only have NN and Pluto in Water Signs, but I don't lack empathy. I'm a Virgo Sun, so I'm very much oriented to helping and serving people.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted November 06, 2013 05:00 PM
Yes, the rage part would be elsewhere in the chart. Neptune would be the lack of boundaries part, when one person thinks they can lay their hands on another. IP: Logged |
sassaqua
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posted July 22, 2016 09:18 PM
Can I just bump and say.. this is one of the most interesting and engaging threads I've read on this site. And not so much for the topic but for the method of the discussion, of which I attribute to SSS.To SSS - you are amazing and I think I'm in love with you. Your insights and logic are supreme. It's a shame that the little people about the place derail the thread with their personal attacks and subjective ideas and knee-jerk, defensive reactions, rather than allow an informative dialogue to unfold, which is based rather in genuine creative exploration. SSS, you should be an administrator on this site. It really needs to be kept at a level of higher standard. It's embarrassing and a great shame to see personal interjection interfering with the process of seeking knowledge and understanding. The lack of depth generally, that occurs on most threads is a big let down on this site.
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BeholdAstarte
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posted July 25, 2016 06:08 PM
placements that would contribute1) detached emotions, desensitization. so mercury signs such as gemini/virgo or mercury angular and def so with mercury in gemini or virgo making stressful aspects or conj to mars, Saturn or Uranus. 2) prominent Saturn w/harsh aspects 3) strong mars influence leading to selfishness, also loaded 1st house influence 4) then i would also add some sort of tension between the sun or moon to Jupiter, although Jupiter can be considered "lucky" theres a tendency towards pomposity and taking advantage of opportunities that can be derived from others, making one very unrealistic, overly confident in themselves thus never taking responsibility and adding the needed "charm" to get ones own way.
also, tension from Neptune can have chameleon, deceptive qualities that could contribute to schemes and such, acting as the victim and can be highly manipulative.. 5) signs/planets that will cut off the "flow" of emotions to moon or venus or make them self centered/cold. Uranus/pluto squares/oppositions to venus can make the love nature perverse, dark and rather twisted.. also these aspects typically attract rather unusual and dark experiences IP: Logged |
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