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somethingexcellent
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posted November 08, 2013 07:36 PM
  
Easily influenced/weak sense of identity? Look to the Sun...IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Moonlightx,I've met quite a number of people like that, but was never that myself. I have a lot of Mutable energy with Gemini Rising, Virgo Moon, and three planets in Sagittarius. In a way, it seems to be about empathy. You overly relate to people taking on their attributes and then wondering what happened. I have only done that in relationships with Cancers. I would subvert parts of my personality, so that their personality could shine through. I'm going to guess that perhaps a water element is at play. Otherwise, it just seems as if you're truly fascinated by people to the point of copying them. I don't think this will be a permanent thing for you. I think you will discover your strengths over time, and start to assert yourself. Another angle is that you're seeking acceptance, and by mirroring people you hope they like you more. You see that kind of behavior a lot in male white artists that do music in a black genre. Macklemore talking to Stephen Colbert doesn't use much slang at all, but Macklemore talking to bongoboy (whoever that is) uses a lot of slang. Same is true for Eminem or JT. Just trying to relate to the audience effectively, I think. Thinking about it, my wife does claim that I'm different in a couple situations. She says my face changes when I'm with my family. She says I seem younger. Also, she enjoyed when I would do improv, because I'd talk louder afterwards, so I guess I do change a little based upon my audience, too.
Yeah, it's easy for me to relate to others in some way. I also recognize the need for acceptance, but that stems more from my past and less from my chart I think. Thank you for your input.  Hopefully I'll develop a really solid sense of myself in the future. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I have exactly this same problem and I know it's why I got into astrology! My chart is highly mutable. Apparently I'm a 7 when 6 is already highly mutable. http://astrolibrary.org/elements/ Also, I have my sun ruler, Jupiter, conjunct Neptune and my sun conjunct Neptune as listed above. And I think there are few others lurking in my chart related to basically going along with what my partner wants instead of asserting what I want, which in a way isn't so much of a problem as I don't know what I want.... OMG, it's like circle! :-o
LOL.
Wow, lot's of mutable energy. I only have 2 mutable planets plus MC. I'm mostly cardinal but I guess Neptune messes with that a bit. Do you have any planets in your 7th house? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 08, 2013 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by moonlightx:
Does anyone else relate to this?I feel like I have a weak sense of identity despite the fact that I find the notion of a solid identity important. What I mean by that is, sometimes it's hard for me to know what I really like, what I'm really into. I take on other people's traits and even their interests easily, then later on, I realize what I've done and try to figure out "Do I like that or am I just latching onto what they like?" I've even taken on other people's mannerisms at times. It's very frustrating because it feels like I have no idea who I am, which is partly why I got into astrology in the first place.
Can you not make up your mind about what you want to do in life? That can be a sign of having a weak identity.Maybe you have Neptune afflicting personal planets, sun or moon?
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moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by orocairion:
That comes with a prominent Neptune. Not much can't be done about that other than to be aware it is their feelings and not your own.
Unfortunately. :/ I'll do my best to work on it though. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by birdsong:
I'm easily moved, influenced and probably led too lol.I have Sun, Venus, NN, Pallas, MC in Pisces
Sun Sextile Neptune
Moon Conjunct Neptune
Lot's of Pisces/Neptune energy, no wonder. Ah mutable water... IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by ScorpioMoon:
That's exactly how I am. I don't know myself as well as I think I do, i find it hard to explain why I like a particular hobby, movie, or what have you, sometimes I find myself mimicking another person's accent, or habit without meaning to, the list goes on.Pisces ASC
Sun opposite Neptune/Uranus
Mercury Opposite Neptune/Saturn/Uranus
Neptune in the 10th house
Neptune Conjunct Saturn
My mom does the mimicking another person's accent. She's a Pisces sun/mars. That's something I don't believe I've ever done but habits and mannerisms, yes. Also, yes to the finding it hard to explain why I like certain things! It's embarrassing but usually I respond, "I don't know." to questions like that. :x Later on, when I've had time to think, I usually come up with some kind of answer. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I DO I DO! Neptune.
Neptune.
Neptune. Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Saturn and Pluto all aspecting Neptune. I know what I like when no one is around but if I meet a new person I start taking on their personality and moods… super annoying.
Exactly. It's not really a problem when I'm alone. The moment I'm with someone else, boundaries are gone. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Despite having 5 planets in mutable signs, my sense of identity is strong, atleast at present. I don’t allow myself to be influenced by others, I hate it. My NN is in 1st house so I need to develop a solid sense of identity in this lifetime. The ruler of my 1st house is in 1st house, this one also helps.
That's good. My 1st house is empty and my 1st house ruler is in the 7th so I guess that doesn't help, haha. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Hey I'm also Cancer ASC opposite Neptune with sun in Cap conjunct Neptune and Saturn. My MC is Pisces too. I can definitely relate...Although I'm getting to a point where I'm realllly annoyed with always being content to just blend in and not really asserting myself so I'm hoping this can change lol What's your moon sign and how is it aspected? Also is your sun in your 7th house?
Awesome.  I have a feeling we've communicated before, but if not, nice to meet you, partial astro twin. I'm horrible at asserting myself too. :/ People usually walk all over me or I feel like I'm being ignored. My moon is in Gemini trine Venus, opposite Mars and then some minor aspects like quincunx Uranus and biquintile Neptune. My sun is in the 7th house. I have a stellium there. How about you? IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by Plutonic Capricorn:
pisces moon 12th housers and neptunians, basically anyone without faith in God.
 Not sure what faith has to do with it. I'm talking astrology. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Easily influenced/weak sense of identity? Look to the Sun...
My stoic sun is aspected by Neptune seems to be the issue. Happy Birthday BTW. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted November 08, 2013 10:14 PM
It’s not that bad IMO, you just have to find the right people to influence you. You will also be able to learn things very quickly. Your ego won’t stand in your way. We’re just more adaptable than the rest. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by moonlightx:
[b]Does anyone else relate to this?I feel like I have a weak sense of identity despite the fact that I find the notion of a solid identity important. What I mean by that is, sometimes it's hard for me to know what I really like, what I'm really into. I take on other people's traits and even their interests easily, then later on, I realize what I've done and try to figure out "Do I like that or am I just latching onto what they like?" I've even taken on other people's mannerisms at times. It's very frustrating because it feels like I have no idea who I am, which is partly why I got into astrology in the first place.
Can you not make up your mind about what you want to do in life? That can be a sign of having a weak identity.Maybe you have Neptune afflicting personal planets, sun or moon?[/B][/QUOTE] That was a former issue of mine but not anymore. I have goals and I know what I want to do in life, it's just being affected by others that's the problem. hannaramaa summed it up nicely, "I know what I like when no one is around but if I meet a new person I start taking on their personality and moods" Does a conjunction count as an affliction? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 08, 2013 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by moonlightx:
That was a former issue of mine but not anymore. I have goals and I know what I want to do in life, it's just being affected by others that's the problem.hannaramaa summed it up nicely, "I know what I like when no one is around but if I meet a new person I start taking on their personality and moods" Does a conjunction count as an affliction?
Any conjunction with Neptune is considered an affliction because then Neptunian energy will be too strong in your life. Neptune works best in small doses. When there's too much Neptunian energy, someone is easily confused, has a poor sense of boundaries, is too impressionable and dependent on others. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
It’s not that bad IMO, you just have to find the right people to influence you. You will also be able to learn things very quickly. Your ego won’t stand in your way. We’re just more adaptable than the rest.
Yes, that is true. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Any conjunction with Neptune is considered an affliction because then Neptunian energy will be too strong in your life. Neptune works best in small doses. When there's too much Neptunian energy, someone is easily confused, has a poor sense of boundaries, is too impressionable and dependent on others.
Oh, interesting. Does it work that way with other planets like Saturn for example? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted November 08, 2013 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by moonlightx:
Oh, interesting. Does it work that way with other planets like Saturn for example?
It just depends on what you believe. Conjunctions are either always afflictions or only afflictions if they involve Mars, Saturn, or any of the outer planets, depending on the astrologer. Some astrologers believe conjunctions with Venus or Jupiter are always fortunate. Saturn conjunctions are traditionally considered afflictions due to it being the greater malefic. Some planets are thought of as opposites and their conjunctions, troublesome, Mercury conjunct Jupiter being an example of this. These two planets rule opposite signs, they are thought to represent opposite concepts. Mercury is logic and details. Jupiter, wisdom and the big picture. So, when they are conjunct, some astrologers say details will be lacking, the person who has it could speak too much, too long, without thinking things through. IP: Logged |
CancerGirl
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posted November 08, 2013 11:27 PM
How young are you, moonlightx? If you're a teen or in your 20s that's pretty normal to fluctuate or change what you want to do, what you're interested in, and so on. It's not necessarily a weak sense of identity. Similar with taking on mannerisms of people you like or admire; it's often just an unconscious thing and also very normal. I don't know about a 12th house Sun, ruler of the ASC in the 12th or ruler of 10th in the 12th meaning a weak sense of identity; I have all these, plus sun in Cancer, and have always had strong, definite interests, ideas and identity. My interests might be considered unusual (astrology, astronomy, chess, science fiction, animal conservation, cats from mild to wild, etc.) and therefore misunderstood by some. But always strong. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 08, 2013 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It just depends on what you believe. Conjunctions are either always afflictions or only afflictions if they involve Mars, Saturn, or any of the outer planets, depending on the astrologer. Some astrologers believe conjunctions with Venus or Jupiter are always fortunate. Saturn conjunctions are traditionally considered afflictions due to it being the greater malefic. Some planets are thought of as opposites and their conjunctions, troublesome, Mercury conjunct Jupiter being an example of this. These two planets rule opposite signs, they are thought to represent opposite concepts. Mercury is logic and details. Jupiter, wisdom and the big picture. So, when they are conjunct, some astrologers say details will be lacking, the person who has it could speak too much, too long, without thinking things through.
Makes sense. Thanks for the lesson! IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted November 08, 2013 11:57 PM
I'm able to blend into other groups and take on their mannerisms, and sometimes I do it unconsciously enough that I'm actually surprised when people assume I'm radically different than I am, even warning me to be careful of people like me (that they don't realize is me). I would guess it's my mutable Sag that loves to mix with others, Libra that wants to understand other points of view as well as respect the hosts or place, and secretive Scorpio. But I've never had a "weak sense of identity." To me mixing with a different group was just like changing clothes. Back in the Bible Belt people would dress and act different for church but then put on different clothes and act differently once outside of it, and that's normal. Most people can relate to doing that with work, too. I just took that principle to the extreme so that one day I could dress up and mix with ravers and the another day do the same with goths, and it was all like a costume I put on. In a lesser way I could mix with vegans one day and hunters the next and they generally were never the wiser. It's not that I became someone else though it affected which parts of me I showed off and which parts I kept muted. I enjoyed passing but I never felt any confusion about who I was. IP: Logged |
moonlightx
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posted November 09, 2013 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by CancerGirl:
How young are you, moonlightx? If you're a teen or in your 20s that's pretty normal to fluctuate or change what you want to do, what you're interested in, and so on. It's not necessarily a weak sense of identity. Similar with taking on mannerisms of people you like or admire; it's often just an unconscious thing and also very normal. I don't know about a 12th house Sun, ruler of the ASC in the 12th or ruler of 10th in the 12th meaning a weak sense of identity; I have all these, plus sun in Cancer, and have always had strong, definite interests, ideas and identity. My interests might be considered unusual (astrology, astronomy, chess, science fiction, animal conservation, cats from mild to wild, etc.) and therefore misunderstood by some. But always strong.
I'm in my early twenties. I get what you mean. Perhaps it's bugging the Aquarius part of me that wishes to be original. IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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posted November 09, 2013 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by moonlightx:
Wow, lot's of mutable energy. I only have 2 mutable planets plus MC. I'm mostly cardinal but I guess Neptune messes with that a bit.Do you have any planets in your 7th house?
Yup! i used to think it was fun, going with the flow learning from others, that kind of thing. Now it's starting to bug me! LOL. I have everything in 11, 12, 1, 2 with Saturn anchoring the whole thing in Taurus in the 7th. Also, apparently my Mars in Libra H12 "doesn't help" me make up my mind either! Sigh. At least once we've identified the problem, it helps get over it and move on. Or at least I hope it will help. See can't make up my mind! LOL IP: Logged |
FireMoon
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posted November 09, 2013 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by moonlightx:
Awesome. I have a feeling we've communicated before, but if not, nice to meet you, partial astro twin.I'm horrible at asserting myself too. :/ People usually walk all over me or I feel like I'm being ignored. My moon is in Gemini trine Venus, opposite Mars and then some minor aspects like quincunx Uranus and biquintile Neptune. My sun is in the 7th house. I have a stellium there. How about you?
How cool! Nice to meet you too!! I'm a Sag moon sextile venus, trine Jupiter, opposite mars (pretty wide tho and out of sign), and then semi-square sun and semi-sextile uranus I definitely know what you mean though about feeling ignored or walked over. I think sun conjunct Neptune in 7th house is the culprit, or at least a big part of it.. We understand ourselves through others and Neptune likes to blur the lines... What other planets do you have in your 7th? Also I think having a Cancer ASC doesn't help either. People mistake being considerate for weakness of character or something and assume we are naive and "sweet" so would be easy to be taken advantage of... But the Cap traits are still there and start to shine through after we've spent enough time with someone lol IP: Logged |
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