posted November 25, 2013 01:41 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ProudLeo:
But yes, I would stand in front of a moving train for my virgos...and I think they would do the same for me. I haven't met a virgo yet that I didn't bond with.

---

Me - "Aww, thank you."

ProudLeo - "I'm not referring to you, I'm talking about the Virgos in my life."

Me - *starts to cry*

posted November 25, 2013 01:42 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by vickymadness:
Does your ASC conjunct their sun? I can imagine such a situation happening under this synastry aspect. It's not about signs, it's a struggle over "who" will express their energy clearer better, more of proving themselves.

Usually the sun person is more jealous or competitive because the ASC expresses the sun's core energy flawlessly and in the face kinda way.

---

posted November 25, 2013 01:42 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ProudLeo:
[b] I actually haven't met but a hand full of Leo's but I know the stereotype that surrounds a leo and I only found that to be true with one of the Leo's...the others were very loyal, intuitive, passionate, open minded, intelligent and fair. They almost demand respect without even saying it but are so curious, warm, and open that it is nearly impossible to resist. But, possibly, these are all mature examples. I've never personally met a leo under the age of 30. Also, a sun sign doesn't always match a person exactly because when I was younger I really think my scorp asc was more prominent than my leo sun...maybe because I was figuring out the world and now that I'm older (33...not THAT old!) I am comfortable and can be myself...just thoughts. I've read that young Leo's are often seen as proud and arrogant but when I think of a "good" king or queen I imagine humility, grace, fairness, thoughtfulness, loyalty, self sacrificing, compassion mercy and understanding...but one has to believe in themselves, I think, in order of have those characteristics so maybe Leo's go through a "selfish" stage where they learn to become king or queen...just thoughts. But yes, I would stand in front of a moving train for my virgos...and I think they would do the same for me. I haven't met a virgo yet that I didn't bond with.

---

Moon sag, venus cancer, Mars libra.

posted November 25, 2013 01:51 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
And another thing...Leo naturally squares Scorpio. I know a Leo sun with a Scorpio moon and it is a very difficult combination. There are a lot of Plutonian issues seething beneath a Leo with a pronounced Scorpio influence.

So, the Leo sun might experience this Scorpio energy in a grating way and attract negative Scorpio energy instead of positive. You see the more challenging Scorpio influence of self defeat or psychological issues instead of the calm, cool, thoughtful hard working, dedicated Scorpio.

I never experience the negative Scorpio sun. I have the Scorpio moon and I have moon trine Pluto and moon in the eighth.

It really seems to annoy you to see Scorpio described as powerful when Leos are ruled by the sun and can get people to do what they want. Scorpio power lies in the will. Leo, in the ego. So, when the Scorpio decides to apply the will, they change in such a dramatic way, people envy their will power and think of them as very strong.

---

This makes sense and you make some very good points. But I know exactly what annoys me about his energy. He is hateful to people, not just me, and he tries to hide himself behind his hateful words and actions toward others...but then cries that the world treats him so unfairly. I, wanting everyone to be happy, am torn between loving him (we've had our connecting moments where we have bonded and he lets his guard down ) and calling him out in his ridiculous behavior that only hurts himself and others. He has done nothing but sulk in his own pity his entire life...and blame every illness, person, or event other than his own choices or actions. He points his finger at the world but not at himself. And ogre to whatever outlandish measure it takes to justify himself and ridicule others. It's toxic and that is why he is so alone...and he doesn't know anything different. I can't "save" him but he continues to beg my forgiveness and then turn right around and do the same hurtful things. But I don't want to hurt him...but I also don't want to be hurt. Torn.

posted November 25, 2013 01:58 AM            

Scorpio is very resilient.

posted November 25, 2013 01:59 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ProudLeo:
This makes sense and you make some very good points. But I know exactly what annoys me about his energy. He is hateful to people, not just me, and he tries to hide himself behind his hateful words and actions toward others...but then cries that the world treats him so unfairly. I, wanting everyone to be happy, am torn between loving him (we've had our connecting moments where we have bonded and he lets his guard down ) and calling him out in his ridiculous behavior that only hurts himself and others. He has done nothing but sulk in his own pity his entire life...and blame every illness, person, or event other than his own choices or actions. He points his finger at the world but not at himself. And ogre to whatever outlandish measure it takes to justify himself and ridicule others. It's toxic and that is why he is so alone...and he doesn't know anything different. I can't "save" him but he continues to beg my forgiveness and then turn right around and do the same hurtful things. But I don't want to hurt him...but I also don't want to be hurt. Torn.

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:00 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I like Venus in Cancer.

What's really strange about this is you have Venus in Cancer and how you describe the way he treats your Virgo friend in your original post is the way Venus in Cancer would like to be treated. Do you have any afflictions to this planet? Does Pluto aspect it? Mars or Saturn?

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:01 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

It really seems to annoy you to see Scorpio described as powerful when Leos are ruled by the sun and can get people to do what they want. Scorpio power lies in the will. Leo, in the ego. So, when the Scorpio decides to apply the will, they change in such a dramatic way, people envy their will power and think of them as very strong.

---

Would you say that there is a significant difference between self-control and will power?

I think so.

I simply have Pluto energy intimately in my chart.
What I find is that I have outstanding will power, but very little self-control.

posted November 25, 2013 02:06 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Me - "Aww, thank you."

ProudLeo - "I'm not referring to you, I'm talking about the Virgos in my life."

Me - *starts to cry*

Lol

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:08 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Would you say that there is a significant difference between self-control and will power?

I think so.

I simply have Pluto energy intimately in my chart.
What I find is that I have outstanding will power, but very little self-control.

Small, silly example. I have a sweet tooth. If I buy sweets to keep at home I will eat NOTHING else until they're gone. However, at the store I can exert will power to just pass by them and not buy.
It does work for much more serious things but that was an easy example.

---

I completely relate to your example! Makes perfect sense! Thanks for sharing

posted November 25, 2013 02:12 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ProudLeo:

Well, doesn't everyone want to be treated like that?! Lol. But, my virgos got my back in that area so I don't pine for it elsewhere, really. You know what I'm thinking now that I'm talking about it. Maybe this is a lesson for me...I see him baby MY virgo bestie similar to the way she cares for me and MAYBE (I did say MAYBE...because I'm a proud leo you know) that makes my hair stand up because that is MY friend....and honestly, I should be more aware of her needs and cater to her some as well. Maybe I haven't been doing that enough? She does tell me a lot that I'm always busy...and come to think of it, it's always her who comes over to my house, bringing things, or offering her help, checking on me....oh, boy...I gotta do something for her tomorrow! Maybe I am a little self absorbed lol. But I don't mean to be. God love those virgos. At least this thread brought on some self evaluation. :/

---

Not everyone needs this to feel happy, some people need space, others, art, while even more just want a decent sex life.

posted November 25, 2013 02:13 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ProudLeo:
[b] This makes sense and you make some very good points. But I know exactly what annoys me about his energy. He is hateful to people, not just me, and he tries to hide himself behind his hateful words and actions toward others...but then cries that the world treats him so unfairly. I, wanting everyone to be happy, am torn between loving him (we've had our connecting moments where we have bonded and he lets his guard down ) and calling him out in his ridiculous behavior that only hurts himself and others. He has done nothing but sulk in his own pity his entire life...and blame every illness, person, or event other than his own choices or actions. He points his finger at the world but not at himself. And ogre to whatever outlandish measure it takes to justify himself and ridicule others. It's toxic and that is why he is so alone...and he doesn't know anything different. I can't "save" him but he continues to beg my forgiveness and then turn right around and do the same hurtful things. But I don't want to hurt him...but I also don't want to be hurt. Torn.

---

He lives about an hour away, alone in a tiny, windowless, 20x20 foot studio apartment in downtown Dallas. But we have gone to get him and allowed him to stay in our homes ( my friend is my neighbor) in our suburban neighborhood. And we go into Dallas to spend time as well. But the last time he visited didn't go well but he has called several times a day, every day for two weeks as well as texts and fb messages every day. He wants me to come and get him to come and visit...his last message said he had been evicted and his dr refused to see him. I don't know whether I should respond or not.

posted November 25, 2013 02:15 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Would you say that there is a significant difference between self-control and will power?

I think so.

I simply have Pluto energy intimately in my chart.
What I find is that I have outstanding will power, but very little self-control.

Small, silly example. I have a sweet tooth. If I buy sweets to keep at home I will eat NOTHING else until they're gone. However, at the store I can exert will power to just pass by them and not buy.
It does work for much more serious things but that was an easy example.

---

At home I get bored and start obsessing and fixating on how good the chocolate will taste then I run in the kitchen, get it and devour it.

posted November 25, 2013 02:17 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ProudLeo:
He lives about an hour away, alone in a tiny, windowless, 20x20 foot studio apartment in downtown Dallas. But we have gone to get him and allowed him to stay in our homes ( my friend is my neighbor) in our suburban neighborhood. And we go into Dallas to spend time as well. But the last time he visited didn't go well but he has called several times a day, every day for two weeks as well as texts and fb messages every day. He wants me to come and get him to come and visit...his last message said he had been evicted and his dr refused to see him. I don't know whether I should respond or not.

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:19 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

To me self control and will power are together and rely on each other. I can pass by the candy aisle in a store, maintain my will power. It's because there's so much going on at the store, I am not focused and obsessed with eating the chocolate.

At home I get bored and start obsessing and fixating on how good the chocolate will taste then I run in the kitchen, get it and devour it.

If my will power is strong, so is my self control. I can keep myself from obsessing on that chocolate at home when I don't have as much going on to distract me. I use my will to focus my mind and this leads to better self control. I won't carry myself into the room with the chocolate.

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:21 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
That makes sense. I never thought of it that way.

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:24 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ProudLeo:
[b]
Well, doesn't everyone want to be treated like that?! Lol. But, my virgos got my back in that area so I don't pine for it elsewhere, really. You know what I'm thinking now that I'm talking about it. Maybe this is a lesson for me...I see him baby MY virgo bestie similar to the way she cares for me and MAYBE (I did say MAYBE...because I'm a proud leo you know) that makes my hair stand up because that is MY friend....and honestly, I should be more aware of her needs and cater to her some as well. Maybe I haven't been doing that enough? She does tell me a lot that I'm always busy...and come to think of it, it's always her who comes over to my house, bringing things, or offering her help, checking on me....oh, boy...I gotta do something for her tomorrow! Maybe I am a little self absorbed lol. But I don't mean to be. God love those virgos. At least this thread brought on some self evaluation. :/

---

Not everyone needs this to feel happy, some people need space, others, art, while even more just want a decent sex life.

You seem to have a really good opinion of Virgos for a Leo. I know one Leo who instantly rolls her eyes when she hears someone has a September birthday. She's the extreme though. Most Leos are just meh about Virgos. It's understandable for signs that are side by side. Not unusual at all. They behave more like brothers and sisters who are a bit tired of each other and just want the other to go home for a while and yet they stick together and stay friends. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm married to a virgo as well...12 years . We have our ups and downs but we are open and try incredibly hard to understand one another and realize our strengths and work on our weaknesses. No one is perfect...but I know deep down no one would treat me as well as he does...and prob wouldn't put up with my royal attitude when I'm having a bad day. I'm not perfect either...and it's been an uphill battle trying to convince myself that I don't have to be perfect! But that's another thread lol. He is incredibly intelligent as well...mostly in areas that I could care less about LOL but I respect that, actually because he can understand and do some things so easily that completely elude me! And he can figure things out too...I trust that if I wasn't able to do something in 10 seconds flat (I'm a little impatient...another personality flaw we won't talk about ha!) I know that he will have it figured out and finished in no time. That used to be a problem for me...like I would get a bit jealous or resentful over it, but I just had to learn...why wouldn't I want to be married to a friggin' genius?! Let him be who he is, right. And in return, he is supportive of my pursuits (and they are many!) even when they aren't of any interest to him. We've had some emotional connection issues...probably still do...but, nothing is perfect and I just have to remember I have one hell of a good thing here!

posted November 25, 2013 02:31 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
When people aren't nice, I don't invite them to my house, but that's just me.

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:33 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
When people aren't nice, I don't invite them to my house, but that's just me.

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:33 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
When people aren't nice, I don't invite them to my house, but that's just me.

---

posted November 25, 2013 02:33 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ProudLeo:
[b]
Well, doesn't everyone want to be treated like that?! Lol. But, my virgos got my back in that area so I don't pine for it elsewhere, really. You know what I'm thinking now that I'm talking about it. Maybe this is a lesson for me...I see him baby MY virgo bestie similar to the way she cares for me and MAYBE (I did say MAYBE...because I'm a proud leo you know) that makes my hair stand up because that is MY friend....and honestly, I should be more aware of her needs and cater to her some as well. Maybe I haven't been doing that enough? She does tell me a lot that I'm always busy...and come to think of it, it's always her who comes over to my house, bringing things, or offering her help, checking on me....oh, boy...I gotta do something for her tomorrow! Maybe I am a little self absorbed lol. But I don't mean to be. God love those virgos. At least this thread brought on some self evaluation. :/

---

Not everyone needs this to feel happy, some people need space, others, art, while even more just want a decent sex life.

You seem to have a really good opinion of Virgos for a Leo. I know one Leo who instantly rolls her eyes when she hears someone has a September birthday. She's the extreme though. Most Leos are just meh about Virgos. It's understandable for signs that are side by side. Not unusual at all. They behave more like brothers and sisters who are a bit tired of each other and just want the other to go home for a while and yet they stick together and stay friends. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm married to a virgo as well...12 years . We have our ups and downs but we are open and try incredibly hard to understand one another and realize our strengths and work on our weaknesses. No one is perfect...but I know deep down no one would treat me as well as he does...and prob wouldn't put up with my royal attitude when I'm having a bad day. I'm not perfect either...and it's been an uphill battle trying to convince myself that I don't have to be perfect! But that's another thread lol. He is incredibly intelligent as well...mostly in areas that I could care less about LOL but I respect that, actually because he can understand and do some things so easily that completely elude me! And he can figure things out too...I trust that if I wasn't able to do something in 10 seconds flat (I'm a little impatient...another personality flaw we won't talk about ha!) I know that he will have it figured out and finished in no time. That used to be a problem for me...like I would get a bit jealous or resentful over it, but I just had to learn...why wouldn't I want to be married to a friggin' genius?! Let him be who he is, right. And in return, he is supportive of my pursuits (and they are many!) even when they aren't of any interest to him. We've had some emotional connection issues...probably still do...but, nothing is perfect and I just have to remember I have one hell of a good thing here!