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Topic: Dealbrakers in synastry
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Violets
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From: Twin Peaks
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posted December 11, 2013 02:42 AM
  
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
So the 1° conjunction is something you'd avoid at all costs?
Eh... I don't know if I would "avoid it at all costs". In all honesty, I never have based my relationships on astrology (except for a brief stint, and it never really made a difference). I do tend to go with intuition as well as astrology, so...if the red flags were being raised, yes I would ditch the relationship. If not, I would see what came of it.  IP: Logged |
Selene
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posted December 11, 2013 04:55 AM
I have ~7 squares in my natal for sure (Moon/Pluto, Sun/Saturn, ASC/Mars, Venus/Neptune, Venus/Saturn, Mercury/Neptune, Mercury/Uranus), maybe more if allowed for a wider orb. So i need squares in my synastries as well, without them it's boring and no intensity, i just don't look on that person like THAT. And even for a friendship i need some squares, to be honest. Give me some squares to my Mars, and i'll like you sooo much (and maybe hate you as much)... Because what's squaring my Mars (8th house ruler), that's also conjunct either my ASC or DSC. Saturn also doesn't seem to be a deal breaker, as i've got in natal. Though i have to admit, that Saturn square Moon feels bad, but if there are other factors in the chart that give feelings, then i can take it. IP: Logged |
Lilith Rising
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From: Orion
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 11, 2013 08:57 AM
In Synastry we have many of the dealbreakers discussed here.My Venus - Mars in virgo conjunction square my Sag Neptune and His 1 degree Cap Neptune which opposites his Sun - Mercury in Gemini and Venus 1 Degree cancer. My Venus Mars also opposite his Pisces Moon therefore my Venus/Mars midpoint = his Moon. What I find interesting in this grand cross is that all midpoints of it (my planet/his planet) are always around 9 - 13 of a fixed sign AND we have my scorpio sun 12 degrees conjunct his scorpio mars and saturn 11 degrees. 11'5 taurus is also his sun-moon midpoint. Has anyone involved in a grand cross synastry experienced similar placements - midpoints?
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Belage
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posted December 11, 2013 02:56 PM
Speaking only for myself, after having licked my wounds, I wouldn't touch a man with whom I have the following aspects in synastry:Saturn square/opposite Mars Venus square/opposite Neptune Venus square/opposite Uranus. A stellium of planets in the other's 12th house. ------------------
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lisalisa
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posted December 11, 2013 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
But yes, really tough Pluto aspect should probably be avoided, like between Mars and Pluto. That can get pretty bad.
My pluto opp his mars
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LucieLemonade
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posted December 11, 2013 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I think so too. Plus you should add Venus conjunct mars that intensifies everything
Ok.... i started dating a guy about a month ago and we have lots of these "deal breakers".... But he's so nice and we get a long so well. Am I headed into a trap? My Venus conjunct his mars, saturn & pluto His mars conjunct my venus & asc.
His pluto conjuncts my venus, mars & asc. Plus Saturn opp Saturn & my saturn opp his mars. It's mostly in scorpio, except my mars/libra & saturn/Taurus.
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LeonisStar
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posted December 11, 2013 06:37 PM
Is pluto conjuct pluto in synastry known to be a difficult one?IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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posted December 12, 2013 06:52 PM
shameless bumping. eeks. IP: Logged |
Nine
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From: The Cusp of Love
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posted December 12, 2013 08:01 PM
LucieLimonada, just go with the flow.Based off recent past experiences I'll probably be staying away from Venus &/or Mars in Aries for a while. Gawd, but they're all I seem to bump into. Mars in Cancer. Specifically my pSun conj this n/pMars. Mars is sexual/responsive (I like), but such a violent and nasty loser (me no like). IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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posted December 13, 2013 02:14 AM
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LucieLimonada, just go with the flow.Based off recent past experiences I'll probably be staying away from Venus &/or Mars in Aries for a while. Gawd, but they're all I seem to bump into. Mars in Cancer. Specifically my pSun conj this n/pMars. Mars is sexual/responsive (I like), but such a violent and nasty loser (me no like).
LOL I _was_ totally going with the flow. Then I read this thread and you all freaked me out.  I don't have experience with Aries Mars. I have to admit even though I'm Sag I find a lot of Aries traits that rub me the wrong way. IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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posted December 13, 2013 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I've seen so many pluto relationships through time, that I know enough about it to say that harsh pluto aspects to personal planets (especially sun,moon,venus and mars)
IS a deal breaker… the relationship gets to intense, obsessive and jealousy will arise and eventually the power struggle begins, which no one will be able to survive… the tragical thing about this is that people who are in a pluto relationship refuse to take good advice and the keep on believing that obsession is good in a relationship… I have had my pluto relationship and it was equally bad as everyone else's, and it's not worth my time to try that again….if I meet anyone with harsh pluto aspects I'm going a wide circle away from them!
THIS is the post that really freaked me out. As we have a lot of Pluto connections, as I wrote above. Not just the personal planets but also square Jupiter and Neptune, plus my moon sextile his pluto. I"ve never been in a relationship with that much Pluto. So I can't "feel" Pluto. Even in my natal I don't really "get" pluto.
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IndigoDirae
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From: Venice, California, US
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posted December 13, 2013 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by LeonisStar:
Is pluto conjuct pluto in synastry known to be a difficult one?
Generational. More than likely to happen, as many tend to date within a few years of their own age. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 13, 2013 03:07 AM
Yes, planets in 12th house are a dealbreaker. Usually means karmic connections that may or not go fine.IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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posted December 13, 2013 06:41 AM
Belage, could you give us an idea of what you experienced in a relationship with Saturn sq. Mars? And was it in synastry or in composite?I have Saturn conjunct Mars with someone I recently met, but in composite it becomes Saturn sq. Mars, along with a Mars sq. Pluto, and I'm wondering if that could be as awful as I'm thinking it might. IP: Logged |
Liliya
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posted December 13, 2013 06:59 AM
My personal experience.It's not exactly a deal breaker, and people probably gonna stone me for this, but Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars conjunctions don't work, when the gender is reversed. What I mean is, when WOMAN is a Sun(masculine) and MAN is Moon(feminine), WOMAN is Mars(masculine) and MAN is Venus(feminine). Energy is NOT the same. Big time energy clash. Just think of it  Well, unless male is more feminine and female is more masculine. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 13, 2013 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Liliya:
My personal experience.It's not exactly a deal breaker, and people probably gonna stone me for this, but Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars conjunctions don't work, when the gender is reversed. What I mean is, when WOMAN is a Sun(masculine) and MAN is Moon(feminine), WOMAN is Mars(masculine) and MAN is Venus(feminine). Energy is NOT the same. Big time energy clash. Just think of it Well, unless male is more feminine and female is more masculine.
Not going to stone you for this, but I can`t share the experience. But you wrote it has been your experience, so it is certainly true for you personally, just not for everyone (at least not for me).
Then again I have a Sag-Sun, so maybe I would qualify as more prone to Yang-energy (all my personal planets are in Yang-signs, except for Venus, which is in Capricorn; the dispositors are all in water signs though).
Interestingly I can`t do much with a man`s Sun on my Moon (Aquarius). I will certainly like them, but that`s about it.
(well, my relationship profile is more Jupiter and Saturn oriented, maybe that is why)
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Selene
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posted December 13, 2013 08:20 AM
I've never met a man whose Mars would be in Libra, conjunct my Venus. I've met guys who have their Venus conjunct my Mars, but no chemistry there. Of course, i like them as persons, though. What works best for me in terms of chemistry, is Venus/Mars squares, where I am Mars. That means, their Venus is somewhere near my ASC/DSC axis, as i've got Mars square ASC exact in natal. I've met a guy who currently is crushing on me, with whom i have a dw of Venus/Mars. One way it's a trine (his Venus, my Mars), and the other way around - square (his Mars, my Venus). Not the same energy. Probably, because his Mars also conjuncts my Neptune. When my Mars is triggered by a square, it's caboom in terms of energy. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 13, 2013 10:17 AM
I actually think harsh aspects involving personal planets to pluto, saturn can work if they are of mutable signs. It's usually fixed signs who don't know when to let go.IP: Logged |
jjj
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posted December 13, 2013 01:40 PM
I have Neptune of every man alive (if we leave out men over 60-70 and under 20 conjunct either my moon, mars or venus... and Im still single. And I can swear that they ALL (3-4 guys khmm) talked and acted as if they were madly/deeply mutually in love with me, but when asked answered "What??? who are you??? What you want from me??". Damned Neptune. I still love Neptune so much.And I dont like Chiron-Uranus hard aspect in synastry or composite, have seen those often in divorced couples charts (including mine). IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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posted December 13, 2013 01:44 PM
oh, for pete's sake! now you guys are pulling my leg, right?on top of every thing, my guy's (fixed, scorpio) pluto is in my 12th house!! i'm toast, right?? IP: Logged |
page one
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From: USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted December 13, 2013 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by jjj:
And I dont like Chiron-Uranus hard aspect in synastry or composite, have seen those often in divorced couples charts (including mine).
Isn't Uranus/Chiron in hard aspect a generational thing? IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 13, 2013 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by orocairion:
Why is that?
I know why. If the couple is not mature, Saturn will treat Mars as a parent and Mars energy will not work properly. Mars will want to act and act and Saturn doesn't want that. The energies clash and clash and clash. Mars is immature and reckless, Saturn is the opposite. Of course can't work if the couple doesn't know how to balance the energies. If I'm not mistaken Will and Kate have this aspect. In the first years of dating they went the most balanced couple. But now after they have grow up, they are fine. And married. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 13, 2013 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
oh, for pete's sake! now you guys are pulling my leg, right?on top of every thing, my guy's (fixed, scorpio) pluto is in my 12th house!! i'm toast, right??
why would a scorpio stellium date a scorpio stellium? Can't really advise you. IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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posted December 13, 2013 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
why would a scorpio stellium date a scorpio stellium? Can't really advise you.
Yeah. That's a good question.... !
I made a mistake above. My Mars is in Libra. I will edit above. I'm actually a Sag stellium (Sun, Moon, Merc H2, Neptune Sag as well but in H1) while he is a Scorpio stellium (Mars, Saturn, Pluto) And I just didn't get to the synastry until now. I know I should probably do it the second I meet someone, but I didn't. (lol) IP: Logged |
Nine
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From: The Cusp of Love
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posted December 13, 2013 08:09 PM
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I don't have experience with Aries Mars. I have to admit even though I'm Sag I find a lot of Aries traits that rub me the wrong way.
Yes. I was pondering the same thing recently. If the fire signs are trine, how come my Moon in Sagittarius don't blend better with Leo & Aries. Of Sun, Moon, Venus, & Mars - I can last more than five minutes with Moon in Aries. We collide, but I find it easier to patch things up with this Aries placement than the others. I'm going through my pMoon in Pisces now. Fishy Galore!! All the Pisces I've had to yell at/shut-down/shut-out have Venus in Aries. The darling ones, though Pisces is shifty, have Venus elsewhere. IP: Logged |
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