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FruitTreeFresh
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posted December 14, 2013 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruitTreeFresh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who do you think is more manipulative? I'm the Rising and my parents are Scorpio Sun with my dad being a hyper manipulative one. He employs psychological tactics. Do you think I will outdo him?

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posted December 14, 2013 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IrisRainbow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that Scorpio sun/Scorpio rising and Pluto aspecting sun or moon people can be equally manipulative. But I think Scorpio sun is the most annoying out of all.

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PeterPan
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posted December 14, 2013 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually i don't think a scorp sun will make someone manipulative in itself, look at he's chart and see if he has any significant pluto aspects to he's mercury or moon.

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posted December 14, 2013 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IrisRainbow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't remember meeting a Scorpio sun woman that wasn't acting like a wicked witch but maybe that is just my karma o.O

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posted December 14, 2013 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a rising and manipulative doesn't come to mind as a description. I think of myself as more vengeful and taking the time to plot and plan revenge. I actually think the rising is more powerful initially because it's what we encounter first, but the sun is (perhaps) more powerful overall because it's the 'real' personality and not the initial impression (which could be covering up a much softer personality). So, although I'm a rising I'd vote that suns are probably better at 'scorpio' stuff :-)

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posted December 14, 2013 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the rising is more manipulative because it's "lighter" so to speak. The Sun naturally rules Leo who's also a fixed sign like Scorpio, therefore it would make sense Scorpio Sun has more control over their negative traits I think. But as always aspects, aspects, aspects.

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posted December 14, 2013 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeonisStar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IrisRainbow:
I don't remember meeting a Scorpio sun woman that wasn't acting like a wicked witch but maybe that is just my karma o.O

Haahahah, one of my best friends is a Scoprio sun and she admits openly that she can be completely manipulative

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posted December 14, 2013 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick_Grayson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio Ascendant, moon or someone with a strong 8th house.

Our sun signs show what type of legacy or path we strive to fulfill in a lifetime. The ascendant and planets in houses are pure concentrated energy we are born with. no growth is needed, you are born with traits and a head start on a path a sun sign may take 9-30+ years to completely develop and accomplish.

The ascendant is much more than a "mask".IMO and no disrespect to my fellow scorpio suns but a scorpio ascendant, moon in scorpio,or person with a strong(loaded) 8th house are the true vessels of plutonian energy for better or worse.

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posted December 14, 2013 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IrisRainbow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeonisStar:
Haahahah, one of my best friends is a Scoprio sun and she admits openly that she can be completely manipulative

I don't mind manipulation I can play that game just as good but who wants to put up with drama

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posted December 14, 2013 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rising is always the weaker one imo.

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posted December 14, 2013 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rick_Grayson:
Scorpio Ascendant, moon or someone with a strong 8th house.

Our sun signs show what type of legacy or path we strive to fulfill in a lifetime. The ascendant and planets in houses are pure concentrated energy we are born with. no growth is needed, you are born with traits and a head start on a path a sun sign may take 9-30+ years to completely develop and accomplish.

The ascendant is much more than a "mask".IMO and no disrespect to my fellow scorpio suns but a scorpio ascendant, moon in scorpio,or person with a strong(loaded) 8th house are the true vessels of plutonian energy for better or worse.


quote:
Originally posted by summerlite:
Rising is always the weaker one imo.


the question is ”which one is more manipulative?”
since when manipulative is equal with strong?????

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posted December 14, 2013 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LiesLilithsaidtouranus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You will never out do someone with Pluto in the 7th house, aspecting sun or moon. Or Scorpio sun's. Actually the sun's can be manipulated, you just have to know how.

I think people with Pluto in the 7th house folks are more manipulative than people with pluto in the first, but are equally manipulative as those with it aspecting the sun.
Pluto aspecting the MC is a ruthless underworld ruler who will burn you in your sleep if you cross their dreams of power.

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posted December 14, 2013 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Freesia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have both, Sun and ASC there, I never thought I would conciously manipulate anyone. The opposite. I'm straight as a nail. Even too direct. But it might be my Mercury&Mars in my Scorpio stellium-company.

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posted December 14, 2013 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:
You will never out do someone with Pluto in the 7th house, aspecting sun or moon. Or Scorpio sun's. Actually the sun's can be manipulated, you just have to know how.

I think people with Pluto in the 7th house folks are more manipulative than people with pluto in the first, but are equally manipulative as those with it aspecting the sun.
Pluto aspecting the MC is a ruthless underworld ruler who will burn you in your sleep if you cross their dreams of power.


Ive got pluto conjunct my scorpio descendant in the 7th and altough it's easy to manipulate your way up in life, i must admit it's one of my negative trait's. It feels much easier to just say/do wathever works best, even tough it may not be what is true and right.

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posted December 14, 2013 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LiesLilithsaidtouranus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PeterPan:
Ive got pluto conjunct my scorpio descendant in the 7th and altough it's easy to manipulate your way up in life, i must admit it's one of my negative trait's. It feels much easier to just say/do wathever works best, even tough it may not be what is true and right.

Manipulation comes very easily to me, but I don't necessarily see it as a bad quality.

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posted December 15, 2013 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^good for you, cheers

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posted December 15, 2013 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruitTreeFresh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny I'm able to see through dad's manipulation and he doesn't change!

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posted December 15, 2013 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sven555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:

Manipulation comes very easily to me, but I don't necessarily see it as a bad quality.

So, Manipulation is a good quality?

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posted December 15, 2013 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sven555:
So, Manipulation is a good quality?


I think "manipulative" can be a good quality. But I think there is another word for it.

If you need to get everyone on board to get something done there has to be someone who knows how to influence and direct.

All bad qualities have the opposite good quality. What is important is intension. Are you using your super power for good or evil?

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posted December 15, 2013 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sven555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I think "manipulative" can be a good quality. But I think there is another word for it.

If you need to get everyone on board to get something done there has to be someone who knows how to influence and direct.

All bad qualities have the opposite good quality. What is important is intension. Are you using your super power for good or evil?


The word would be influential.

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posted December 15, 2013 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeptunianSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMO Scorpio sun, humble type of power. Scorpio rising, annoying and pushy.

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posted December 15, 2013 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read somewhere that said scorpio rising people are usually born evolved ie in the higher totem of the eagle an Phoenix. I'm both scorpio sun and rising, I believe we have the power to manipulate if we wish so but we don't because our energy we wish to manifest differently, to help people rather than hurt or cheat.

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posted December 15, 2013 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sven555:
The word would be influential.

There you go! Thank you.

quote:
Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
IMO Scorpio sun, humble type of power. Scorpio rising, annoying and pushy.

Hey! Am not!

quote:
Originally posted by Rouge:
I read somewhere that said scorpio rising people are usually born evolved ie in the higher totem of the eagle an Phoenix. I'm both scorpio sun and rising, I believe we have the power to manipulate if we wish so but we don't because our energy we wish to manifest differently, to help people rather than hurt or cheat.

Nice post. I think this is about intention.

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posted December 15, 2013 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Rising is always the weaker one imo.


On the contrary. When Pluto becomes the chart ruler it energy magnifies the power of Scorpio therefore the rising being the body and character of native becomes stronger than the Sun or Moon. Neither the person with a strong 8th house can't have such power.

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posted December 15, 2013 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
IMO Scorpio sun, humble type of power. Scorpio rising, annoying and pushy.

cry me a river

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