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posted December 23, 2013 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it could be synastry. In my household, planetary positions were:

Mum - Scorpio 4deg Sun/Merc
Dad - Leo Sun 4 deg and Mars 10deg, Saturn Sco 7 deg
Me - Aqu Sun/Merc 2 deg, Uranus 7 deg Sco

That's just the start - ego conflict, miscommunication.

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posted December 23, 2013 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom was the one I was the most rebellious and resented. We have tons of twelfth house synastry and she has Saturn in Cancer conjunct my MC.

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posted December 23, 2013 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The dreaded 12th. My mum has her Saturn in my 12th and my own family has a lot of 12th house synastry, I really don't know what will become of it.

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posted December 23, 2013 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm you guys are all fixed seems difficult.. and it all squares..

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posted December 23, 2013 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Living in a concrete block it was

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Kerosene
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posted December 23, 2013 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mom: 8 degree Gem
Dad: 9 degree Leo
Me: 10 degree Gem

We have always had to mutate for my fixed dad.
but our suns are compatible we usually get along.
It usually ends up with us glancing at each other like -___-
when my dad is being big dumb leo LOL.

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LovelyAries86
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posted December 23, 2013 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

I think having that conjunction on my ascendant with Jupiter and Uranus gave me a lot of nerve verbally. I did have a smart mouth and got slapped a lot.


I can relate.

I have Mars square my ASC. Sun trine Uranus also. So I was a very independent child in some ways. Add in Saturn sextile ASC - I thought I was grown!!

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posted December 23, 2013 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars in the 11th square Uranus in the 8th
When I turned 15 I was pretty much doing my own thing..
They could not really tell me what I can or can't do because I use to move out LMFAO.. They would rather me be around so they can look out for me etc..

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posted December 23, 2013 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
I have Mars square Uranus.
When I turned 15 I was pretty much doing my own thing..
They could not really tell me what I can or can't do because I use to move out LMFAO.. They would rather me be around so they can look out for me etc..

Do you have a ton of Uranus influence?

I guess the double Gemini could be the culprit too, though.

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posted December 23, 2013 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah I was not even that dramatic about it I just use to pack my clothes and leave my phone on my pillow and stay at my S.O's place for weeks, the first time they thought I eloped or something LOL and had no idea who my s.o was either...
Very stressful for them..

Uh maybe the (8th house)
I have mars square neptune too which makes be very sneaky.
Though I always had strong desire to run away with my s.o but I don't know finishing HS and going to uni seems more intelligent. It's not like I had it so bad......

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posted December 23, 2013 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If we were to look at the 4th house, then...

I have mars in the 4th. 4th house ruler oppose chiron, conjunct Saturn n Uranus.

Mom's 4th is in gem, mercury opposition to Uranus and conjunct mars. Her 5th house is in cancer, moon in the 1st.

Dad has moon in the 5th. 4th house is in pisces, Neptune opposition moon and square mars. 5th house is in aries, mars opposition Uranus .

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When I lived with them it seemed like there could never be a normal conversation lol. It was always surrounded by small dramas to big things like me getting kicked out of school, dramas with the extended family...etc...

sun conj Uranus, I've had a problem with the culture and a lot of other things. I pretty much gave them headaches just being me.

I was angry, then I became exasperated and I was like "Ok I give up".

Now it's not so bad. Things have improved greatly.

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posted December 23, 2013 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ick. I'll admit I could (and can) be awful to my parents, but it was more in self-defense than anything.

When I was little I honestly worshipped my mom (cancer asc & moon conj. neptune), did everything for her, and used to follow her all the time, but she was verbally and physically (sometimes) abusive for me so I ran away a few times, with my teddy bear and everything

Each time everything came back the same, but when I was a teenager I became distant & she responded with more attacks (mostly verbal).
Then I decided I wasn't gonna take her crap no mo' and responded with biting sarcasm (mercury in scorpio conj. pluto... this is MY s***).
Then she starts painting herself as the victim and becomes nicer all of a sudden.

Last year, we had a very strained relationship; now I act much more friendly towards her but I don't feel that way. I feel numb, actually.
She has gemini sun and virgo moon conj. uranus/pluto. Our composite and synastry chart reflect our relationship.

My dad has leo sun and capricorn moon, and while I understand his goals because of our synastry, he's manipulative (obsessed with career) and chilly- didn't feel a lot of love from him.

I feel ambivalent about my blood relations in general.

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posted December 23, 2013 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
I can relate.

I have Mars square my ASC. Sun trine Uranus also. So I was a very independent child in some ways. Add in Saturn sextile ASC - I thought I was grown!!



Me too! I was convinced I knew EVERYTHING!

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posted December 23, 2013 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Me too! I was convinced I knew EVERYTHING!


You know what though??

We *DO* know everything - everything that's important.

Looking back, I was right most of the time. I was too young though, so I needed to STFU still. Haha.

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posted December 23, 2013 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 23, 2013 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
You know what though??

We *DO* know everything - everything that's important.

Looking back, I was right most of the time. I was too young though, so I needed to STFU still. Haha.



I had to learn on my own

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posted December 24, 2013 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was sort of like that growing up. My mother irritated me to no freaking end. I wouldn't hit her, but we got into a lot of arguments because she just.. rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't belittle or disrespect her (except for the general arguing) I just argued my side and point because I felt she was wrong and I was right.

I still love her more when she's away from me, even getting older. I appreciate her presence and I love her dearly, but we clash so badly that it's best we don't see each other often. I find it hard to enjoy talking to her because it seems like she doesn't actually listen to what I say, just thinks about what she'll say next.. Drives me up the freaking wall. But I still do get the pangs and twinges of wanting to talk to her. She is my mother after all

I think this little configuration has something to do with it:

Sag Mars/Uranus conjunct in 5H is quincunx my Taurus Moon in 10H, which in turn sextiles my Pisces Merc in 9H..And to complete the circle, my Mercury squares my Mars/Uranus conjunction.

Knowing the influence of all these aspects, and combining them into one, almost perfectly describes my relationship with my mother.

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hannaramaa
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posted December 24, 2013 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
LOL if you read my post it is not that complex.
it's not the age difference etc.
The things is..they are humans and can possess really annoying traits.

My personality is not very patient but I try not to explode on them..

Oh I would never hit my parents... that would be the end of me 0____0
I think the only reason he hit her is because she spares the rod and spoils the child lol.


I was thinking about this. I want to know how many Gemini or Gemini influenced people were frustrated with their parents growing up. Think about it - Geminis question everything. Sometimes just to poke, and sometimes because of active minds, etc. That pretty much goes against society's idea of "good" parenting which is your kids never question you, and obey your orders without grief. It wouldn't surprise me to find out Gemini children were seen as rebellious and became frustrated from being misunderstood. They / we just want to be informed is all. I have Mars conj. ASC - yes, I've been in physical fights with my parents. Some you could consider abuse, others weren't necessary but happened anyway.

I have Sun conjunct Mercury, Virgo IC, and Moon opposition Pluto (Pluto in the 5th house.) I also have Sun square Saturn and Neptune. I was a mean kid because I was advanced for my age but often times stifled because of my age. I want to say I resented my mom for being cold towards me growing up and that's why I was mean to her, but I don't really know if i can. I love my mother and would defend her (it's like the state you're from - you can say what you want about it, but anyone else does and those are fightin' words!) but I don't like her. She never liked me either.

And yeah I remember that Dr. Phil show. Everyone is so quick to call the kid a brat and it amazes me because you can obviously see the fear in his face after he hits her, leading me to believe it was pure impulse. It's stupid to hold a child to an average standard of behavior when everybody matures differently.

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posted December 24, 2013 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I was thinking about this. I want to know how many Gemini or Gemini influenced people were frustrated with their parents growing up. Think about it - Geminis question everything. Sometimes just to poke, and sometimes because of active minds, etc. That pretty much goes against society's idea of "good" parenting which is your kids never question you, and obey your orders without grief. It wouldn't surprise me to find out Gemini children were seen as rebellious and became frustrated from being misunderstood. They / we just want to be informed is all. I have Mars conj. ASC - yes, I've been in physical fights with my parents. Some you could consider abuse, others weren't necessary but happened anyway.

I have Sun conjunct Mercury, Virgo IC, and Moon opposition Pluto (Pluto in the 5th house.) I also have Sun square Saturn and Neptune. I was a mean kid because I was advanced for my age but often times stifled because of my age. I want to say I resented my mom for being cold towards me growing up and that's why I was mean to her, but I don't really know if i can. I love my mother and would defend her (it's like the state you're from - you can say what you want about it, but anyone else does and those are fightin' words!) but I don't like her. She never liked me either.

And yeah I remember that Dr. Phil show. Everyone is so quick to call the kid a brat and it amazes me because you can obviously see the fear in his face after he hits her, leading me to believe it was pure impulse. It's stupid to hold a child to an average standard of behavior when everybody matures differently.


Good post! I think anyway.

I'm Leo with Gem moon.
Mars and pluto both conjunct Asc. (12th and 1st house respectively)
Mars/Mercury square moon
Sun square Jupiter (rebellion against authority kind of aspect I think?)

I never had TOO much trouble with my parents. Certainly I never physically fought with them. Older siblings though.... different story!

Just like, if I didn't want to go to school I'd walk outside alright but would hide from the bus and walk back in. LOL
If I didn't want to take a test, I didn't. I remember handing one in without even my name on it. She figured it out through process of elimination. (I took school much more seriously in college and had a 3.98 GPA)

I was SOOOOOOOOO mean to other kids! I beat up EVERYONE! I'd just do it because I felt like it. I still remember knocking this one kid to the ground in the snow and then just left, right, left, right. hahaha No one really got hurt that much. It wasn't like kids today. It was just bruised egos for the day. I didn't pick on the same kid every day or anything like that.
One time the neighbor kid was saying something dumb, I don't remember. I think he insulted me. My sister very calmly said, "hit him". So I did. LOL
Adults generally though, including parents... I wasn't too bad. My rebellion was that if I didn't want to do something then I may look like I'm going to, but wouldn't. I kind of knew how to crack their will to where they'd just be like, "Ahhh f**k it!" Hahaha

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posted December 24, 2013 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars and Pluto both conjunct your ASC? Interesting. I suppose that would give you a sort of Mars in Scorpio, but also Scorpio rising or Aries rising - but you displayed the Scorpio traits instead with your parents - self-control.

Sun square Jupiter - I can see the logic in that, but on the contrary it's like having a Sagittarius sun, and Sagittarius may rebel against traditional authority, or embrace it but they feel strongly about whatever side they DO take. Did you view your dad as not very fun or funny?

And GOOD point - siblings vs. only children and how they function in adulthood! I was an only child, so I was used to standing up to adults and it never phased me (well, that one time when I was 18 and stepped in between a New Jersey trucker and a McDonald's cashier phased me but once you're in, you're in - ya know?) but I was terrible about sassing other kids. So I always had friends sticking up for me. Was it the opposite for you? You picked on kids but never challenged adults?

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posted December 24, 2013 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Mars and Pluto both conjunct your ASC? Interesting. I suppose that would give you a sort of Mars in Scorpio, but also Scorpio rising or Aries rising - but you displayed the Scorpio traits instead with your parents - self-control.

Sun square Jupiter - I can see the logic in that, but on the contrary it's like having a Sagittarius sun, and Sagittarius may rebel against traditional authority, or embrace it but they feel strongly about whatever side they DO take. Did you view your dad as not very fun or funny?

And GOOD point - siblings vs. only children and how they function in adulthood! I was an only child, so I was used to standing up to adults and it never phased me (well, that one time when I was 18 and stepped in between a New Jersey trucker and a McDonald's cashier phased me but once you're in, you're in - ya know?) but I was terrible about sassing other kids. So I always had friends sticking up for me. Was it the opposite for you? You picked on kids but never challenged adults?


Hmmm... that's a good call! I still very strongly take a side when it comes to authority, either one way or the other. My father, for a good portion of my life I did not find him to be very funny. Not like he wasn't every funny, but mostly not. His later years were really great though.

As a kid, yeah I never really challenged adults. Other kids, yes. I was my best friends "body guard". LOL Adults it was more strategy than direct confrontation.
I have two older sisters who were no slouches. (5'10" and 5'9" and strong) All three of us would fight like mad. They would physically fight our mom but I never did. I just fought them.

EDIT: Did you get physical with adults as a kid? Or mainly arguing?

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posted December 24, 2013 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did they also get physical with your dad (who I assume you would get physical with, and not your mother since you're the boy of the family)? What are their placements?

The only people I was physical with were my parents. Other adults never angered me to that point although if I had tangoed with an adult once, I probably wouldn't be afraid to do it again. It's ironic because I have a Taurus moon and nearly every Taurus moon I've met is big on touch, but I actually don't like other adults or people touching me now. It's too much of an invasion for me and I wonder if it's because of the conflict I had growing up.

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posted December 24, 2013 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I never tangled with my dad. In fact, we only yelled at each other once and that was on the phone. I didn't live with him though from the age of 2, on. He just had this presence. One might think that he was some very powerful Leo or something. He never showed a weak side to anyone, ever, that I can remember. He was a Sag. My mom is an Aries (Sun,Moon,Merc)
The more fighty of the two sisters is Leo. She's just something else. She has the most wild, uncontrollable emotions I've ever seen. I was just on the phone with my other sister and we're not sure even how to handle her, she's so out of control. (Our father died last week - I'm good though. Promise. First two days sucked but I bounce back quick. The Leo sister is just.... on another planet I swear)
The oldest sister is Cap and I get along with her SOOOOOOO well. She's awesome. I have Cap IC so maybe that's what that's about. My mom's Aries placements are right on my DC, so that could explain that also, perhaps.
My dad, I'm not sure. I noticed that my NN is on his Venus though.

Anyway, the Leo sister. Man... she would fight boys in high school, everything. She didn't care. She'd take on anybody. LOL

Finally, when I was 12 and big enough. She took a swing at me. I ducked and then shoved her. She went flying down the hall into the bathroom. (It was like, take a step, two hand SHOVE real hard) She never messed me again after that. LOL

Do you have something else that wouldn't like touch? Your mars or anything like that? Or you think it was just all the confrontation with your parents?

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posted December 24, 2013 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hannaramaa:

The only people I was physical with were my parents.


Do you feel bad for physically fighting your parents?

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posted December 25, 2013 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a parent, but as far as attracting mean/bad kids is concerned, I have jupiter in cancer in my 5th house which is also in Cancer yet, i have mars squaring jupiter and Saturn opposite Jupiter as well. Mars is in the 1st house squaring Saturn in the 11th house. I get along pretty well with little kids, but, kids 9as well as most other people in general9 love the get rude with me; hitting, name-calling, attempting to size me up, you name it, someone's bratty kid has done it to me to no avail. i don't put up with rude kids. I'll hit a child if I find it necessary...not hard, though, but, i really don't like hitting kids even if i think he/she deserves it.

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