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Topic: Can you escape karmic relationships?
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Kerosene
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posted December 27, 2013 01:37 PM
 
Hey people have the freewill to stay in abusive relationships if they like...Whatever floats their boat  IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted December 27, 2013 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Uranus IMO. Uranians approach a situation from a different perspective, which definitely helps if you want to get out of the karmic cycle. Saturnians follow the same old routine.
So maybe NN aspects to uranus. But I was thinking mars too!! IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted December 27, 2013 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by happyaskings:
You aren't making sense. Astrology IS accurate but the idea that you don't have free will is ludicrous. Cut the nonsense.
You do have free will, but the situation you are presented for your karma, you have no control over, sometimes. Also, the situation may force you to face your karma. Like if you can't find a better job, but you hate your boss. You might have a hard time leaving the job because of the certain situation. IP: Logged |
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posted December 27, 2013 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
You do have free will, but the situation you are presented for your karma, you have no control over, sometimes. Also, the situation may force you to face your karma. Like if you can't find a better job, but you hate your boss. You might have a hard time leaving the job because of the certain situation.
In other words, you really have no will. It's fated! So. Everyone who's down for relationships they have to be in or else, how's your love life? IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted December 27, 2013 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
Why are karmic relationships bad?
I like the idea of karmic relationship.
I have Pluto in Scorpio in 7th house.
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Because some people have negative/bad karma, and they have to face it, or be forced into a situation where they have to face it. Some people were verbally abusive in a past life or just a jerk in the past life. If they don't face bad karma from a lover, they face it from controlling parents or terrible co-workers. The relationship karma doesn't have to represent itself exactly in a love relationship, but in other relationships as well. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 27, 2013 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by page one:
In other words, you really have no will. It's fated!So. Everyone who's down for relationships they have to be in or else, how's your love life?
Relationships might be fated. Their results are not. You have free will to make whatever you can out of relationship.
I.e: I'm sorry but I never got to choose my parents. But I'm not gonna be an alcoholic just because my father was one. IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted December 27, 2013 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
No. You can't escape them. Karma is very difficult to define. Karmic relationships can last a day, a week, a months or years. It depends of many aspects but definitely no one can escape them. We may think that but no. Usually people who have 12th house composite full of with some planets in this house can have long relationships. Karma here is difficult. More difficult than simply having Saturn or personal planets in 8th or 4th house or NN aspected by planets. Udually composites with 12th house are the most painful relationship. May seem lovely etc but in the end when karma is gone, the relationship is also gone. There is a reason why I always say is better to have the karmic houses especially 12th EMPTY of planets.
What does it mean if Saturn is in the composite 12th. Is the relationship doomed to fail? South node in 8th, neptune in 4th. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by tgem:
What does it mean if Saturn is in the composite 12th. Is the relationship doomed to fail? South node in 8th, neptune in 4th.
Its karmic. Can last years but once the karma is burnt the relationship cease to exist. IP: Logged |
DaniPepper87
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posted December 27, 2013 02:47 PM
Rosalind, you explained a lot for me. I have pluto, mars, sun and mercury in the 12th. I'm doomed! \o/ hahahaha!About karmic relationships, me and my ex, we have 5 planets in the first house (Uranus, Neptune, Sun, Saturn, Mercury). Too much high egos in this one. And for make it better, Chiron in the 7th house \o/ What do yoou think? IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
Rosalind, you explained a lot for me. I have pluto, mars, sun and mercury in the 12th. I'm doomed! \o/ hahahaha!About karmic relationships, me and my ex, we have 5 planets in the first house (Uranus, Neptune, Sun, Saturn, Mercury). Too much high egos in this one. And for make it better, Chiron in the 7th house \o/ What do yoou think?
i think that relationship's purpose was to learn something from each other. To help each other shape better your identities and in your case to LOWER that ego. How it ended? Badly? Has anything changed for you?
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DaniPepper87
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posted December 27, 2013 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
i think that relationship's purpose was to learn something from each other. To help each other shape better your identities and in your case to LOWER that ego. How it ended? Badly? Has anything changed for you?
Well, it ended him texting me saying that he didn't want to be a perverse for me anymore, I took that as a rejection of me. I cut all the contacts I had with him. High ego here, I know. But he wanted me to change everying in me, he wanted me to be like his "the one" who walked away from him. Badly. I tried to talk to him, but his high ego was still there. He said that this time, things would be harder, that he would test me lot. I tried to lower, but he wanted me to think like him... I got a lot confused! For me, I'll never take anyone who shows interest for granted. It only lasted 3 weeks, but was intense. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 03:01 PM
Uhm... To test you? To think like him? I'm sorry but if he wants to do these things you are NOT his "the one". He wants to CHANGE you (if you want to change you do that YOURSELF from your own will) and changing others is NOT LOVE. Its selfishness and stupid ego.Be grateful you broke up. Never accept a man who tries to change you. Accept a man who accepts you as you are.IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted December 27, 2013 03:24 PM
Hi Rosalind,Could I please ask you about a very very karmic relationship, which is now ending (my choice). Yes, I've changed but no effect on him, I think. I am befuddled by why there were such strong links in the composite but the relationship didn't really get very far. I'll list some aspects here but can post the chart if you prefer. Thanks IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 03:36 PM
I would like to see the actual chart. You know me. I don't do analyses without a chart. IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted December 27, 2013 03:49 PM
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Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 04:00 PM
Pluto at 29 degree AND IN 12th house.
Saturn at 29 degree
Mercury at 29 degreeHeavy karmic links. Was the relationship short? Because usually 29 degree in composites is a karmic link that shows this scenario:
Guy and girl have been together in a past life but destiny or external factors have split them apart. They can be blame to for the split. Since Pluto is in 12th house, I would take DEATH into account too. Now you are brought together in this life to finish the karma. Sun,Mercury and Venus in 1st show that love existed and the desire to have a relationship as well but there are NO binding aspects.
7th house is empty and ruler is in 12th. I hope this wasn't an affair.
Mars in 12th house is bad for sex and attraction in composite. While the attraction and sex desire can exist cannot be expressed properly and this can lead to frustration. Ruler of 5th house is in 11th. More friends than lovers. Something had to be fixed through this relationship for a short time.
You say the relationship didnt affect him. It DID but he will NOT show that. At least not NOW. Later in life for sure.
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Astro keen
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posted December 27, 2013 04:08 PM
Thanks a lot Rosalind. I was told that we were parted by my untimely accidental death in the life before this one - young girl leaning out of a tram to wave to her boyfriend! We have had previous lives before that too. Our relationship began online, lasted 2 years, we met a few times. He, however, was happy just to keep it a distant thing. We got along fabulously when together. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Thanks a lot Rosalind. I was told that we were parted by my untimely accidental death in the life before this one - young girl leaning out of a tram to wave to her boyfriend! We have had previous lives before that too. Our relationship began online, lasted 2 years, we met a few times. He, however, was happy just to keep it a distant thing. We got along fabulously when together, the distant thing was beginning to get too difficult for me. So, do you think this may have run its course and I'm not forcing an end which is not for the best?
Did he tell you why he was happy about the distant thing? Sorry but that doesn't sound quite... right. I mean... having you at bay was making him HAPPY? And yes, the relationship is over.
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IMoppedtheFloor
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posted December 27, 2013 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by happyaskings:
Some of yall are seriously sick. Would you tell someone to stay in a relationship where they were being pysically abused every day, merely because it is a "karmic" relationship? You can get out of any relationship you want to get out of and astrology has nothing to do with that. Karma is all about lessons anyway, sometimes by being strong enough to remove yourself from a situation that is no longer good for you, you have "learned" the lesson.
Agreed. I don't think some people here are playing with a full deck of cards anyway if you know what I mean. Don't worry about it. People with sense know what to ignore.
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Astro keen
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posted December 27, 2013 04:23 PM
I figured that is was "safe' for him. He was in control, no special challenges or potential failures. His excuse was that he liked his freedom too much. Lots of past issues, I think. Well, I got fed up and decided it wasn't good enough for me. That was my lesson.
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IMoppedtheFloor
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posted December 27, 2013 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Nonsense for you, pal.
To be fair to them you really aren't making any sense. It's not just them noticing that your theory just ain't adding up. IP: Logged |
IMoppedtheFloor
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posted December 27, 2013 04:25 PM
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That would be your choice, but the idea that you CAN'T ESCAPE a bad, supposedly karmic relationship, one that is toxic or could become so is just crazy. And anyone encouraging you to get involved in a situation that sends out such red flags should be ignored. At the least.
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IMoppedtheFloor
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posted December 27, 2013 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Someone needs to learn to take a joke. And two, all we are saying is that sooner or later you are going to face your karma, if not in a boyfriend or spouse, then in your boss at your job, or with someone who's a roommate, that's all.No one is asking you or anyone else to stay in a physically or mentally abusive relationship.
That's not what was said. Your reading comprehension is faulty. They were saying that no matter what, if you have karmic ties to someone you HAVE to have something with them, that it will happen no matter what and you can't get away from it. they made absolutely no mention of what you're talking about which is something else entirely.
I don't know if that's your friend or what, but don't enable bad behavior that encourages others to stay in situations they'd be better off leaving. A real friend won't support a friend giving bad advice that might hurt others.
Editing to add - that I wont even get off into the astrological inaccuracy of some of their earlier statements - Moon conjunct SN means former child? Really now? Well my Moon conjuncts the NN of some of my exes, and clearly, I didn't give birth to them in this life, and they aren't my children...which would be the set up if that rather strange theory were true.
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Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 04:29 PM
Sweetheart, you were not meant to be. You were not on the same page. His excuses are pathetic. Sorry. And his attitude.... he has to grow up. You cannot have a relationship in such conditions. Its is done. He's not that into you. His avoidance should have giving you a clear sign.
He will see later in life what karma means. He will have to CHANGE and MATURE. He won't be the man once was. And he will see then. In due time.IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted December 27, 2013 04:45 PM
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