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Topic: Can you escape karmic relationships?
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NeptunianSag
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posted December 26, 2013 12:30 PM
  
Say if you have a lot of karmic aspects in synastry and composite, can you chose not to go through with it? Asking because I'm scared of this scorpio stellium man, started out soulmate quality, now it's turned ugly and I feel he wants revenge. His Venus falls into my 12th and I'm just scared what he truly wants, does he want to see me destroyed ect. I don't know how I feel, I feel secretly in love but it's hurting because I don't know what's going to happen. There's a lot of Pluto and Neptune, uranus and mars involved I'm just scared ******** , I feel there's so much going on buried deep within him, although he wont show it. I feel he's got sociopathic tendencies, aspects in natal support that. I've been distant since our summer romance ended, but somehow I still feel connected deeply. He sometimes messages me but he seems "different" and less open, since we both agreed to be friends, claiming he was bad for me. He expects me to reveal something but I'm too scared because I don't know what he wants from me. Should I just completely block all communication? Is there no true way of escaping relationships like this where you feel deeply connected?I would post our synastry but it seems like I don't know how to post pictures. IP: Logged |
JennsenS2
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posted December 26, 2013 12:45 PM
I don't know whether you can escape a karmic relationship. I would say no otherwise it will happen again in your next life until the karma is all burnt off and the debt is paid off.I'm in the opposite situation. I went after a karmic relationship to release all the karma thing but it seems there is always something keeping us separated. I just gave up. There was a topic about how to post a chart here. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/212719.html IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
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posted December 26, 2013 01:13 PM
If you feel that he is not someone that you would want to be around with, as this is not a healthy relationship, then it's best to distance yourself from him and not hold onto such connection. You can tell him that you don't feel right to continue interacting with him, so that you are not distancing without warning at all.This relationship might or might not have karmic ties, or karmic lessons to overcome, but it can be that you need to learn to let go of this. Do you feel drawn to him? Why do you feel that way? You need to be honest with yourself, and that way you can eventually overcome this sense of attachment towards him and therefore overcome the ties. Personally, I feel that having karmic ties is not about letting ourselves be hurt by each otherin order to "pay the debts", but to rather understand the dynamics and the reasons between two people, and then able to overcome and let go. IP: Logged |
IMoppedtheFloor
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posted December 26, 2013 02:21 PM
yes. You don't HAVE to do ANYthing.IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 26, 2013 02:51 PM
No. You can't escape them. Karma is very difficult to define. Karmic relationships can last a day, a week, a months or years. It depends of many aspects but definitely no one can escape them. We may think that but no. Usually people who have 12th house composite full of with some planets in this house can have long relationships. Karma here is difficult. More difficult than simply having Saturn or personal planets in 8th or 4th house or NN aspected by planets. Udually composites with 12th house are the most painful relationship. May seem lovely etc but in the end when karma is gone, the relationship is also gone. There is a reason why I always say is better to have the karmic houses especially 12th EMPTY of planets.IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted December 26, 2013 02:55 PM
Of course you can.. You have free will..
You can divorce separate runaway from whoever you wish.
However you may not want to escape them.IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted December 26, 2013 10:06 PM
No, you can't. Sooner or later you have to face it, like a warrior faces a monster!However, you can pray for yourself to get through hard times. IP: Logged |
IMoppedtheFloor
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posted December 27, 2013 01:16 AM
Everybody keeps saying you can't avoid them. That's all well and good, except one (or a few) things.You can walk away. You can not answer the phone. You don't have to go out with them. Or respond to texts. See where I'm going with this? If you really don't want to 'go there' with someone for whatever reasons, you really don't HAVE to. Just like people say that astrologically we have free will, we have free will over that stuff too. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 27, 2013 04:35 AM
How do you know they are Marmic in the first place? Saturn mutually aspected?IP: Logged |
Queen Salome
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posted December 27, 2013 07:38 AM
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Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
How do you know they are Marmic in the first place? Saturn mutually aspected?
Saturn, Pluto, NN/SN, 4th,7th, 8th, 10th, 12th house.
For example: Moon conjunct SN (in a past life you were parent and child)
4th house (Saturn or Pluto here) you have a negative old karma with your family. Also ruler being Saturn or Pluto in any other house will give you the karma but will add an extra element. Say 4th house ruler Saturn is in 1st house. In a past life you were responsible for the creation of karma. Pluto here means that your relationship with your family involved tragic events. There is a reason why people with Pluto in 4th house choose to move after a certain age from their parents house. The parents need to learn the lesson of distance and the child needs to learn to take care of himself. It is not recommended to stay in the same house with parents if you have Pluto in 4th house. It will end up badly. Another aspect or situation with Pluto would be early loss of a parent. That's rarely a case.
7th house Saturn: In a past life you were careless with love and you didnt like to commit. You thought there were other things more important than love and because of that people were hurt in the relationship you had with them. In this life time, people with 7th house Saturn will have to marry later in life to not divorce and many of them will stay single for many years. Pluto here will bring a lot of karmic partners. Usually the relationships don't last long and are not a blessing. That's because karma is negative. In a past life you didnt care about your partner feelings, you didnt appreciate him or make him feel low. In this lifetime you will be treated the same until you will learn a lesson.
10th house. In a past life you were a person who liked to command and being obeyed. You had serious problems with authority. In this life time you will have to learn to balance the energies and to avoid conflicts. Respect and colaboration is required.
8th house Saturn and Pluto. Saturn will give you a long life but not spared of problems in this area. Problems in intimacy, in legacies, death, spiritual matters etc. Pluto is in his own house. Is even harder than Saturn. Can make a person be torn in two extremes. Light or dark. If the native cannot handle well the Pluto energy, can become dark. If I am not mistaken many serial killers have Pluto in 8th or 8th house aspected by Pluto. So watch it.
Finally. 12th house. Usually people with Saturn or Pluto in this house are old souls who lived many lives and have some soul experience. Having Saturn or Pluto in 12th house is like having many Rx planets. I have both Pluto and Rx planets.
Saturn in 12th house natal will make the person be unable to confront his own fears (at least in the first half of his life). Saturn does not sit here for nothing. Sooner or later the person will be force to reveal everything that is threatening him and that is hidden in his subscouncious. In a past life or at least in a previous one the native has lived controled by his fears and didnt have the courage to control his fears and life. In this life he has to do the opposite. Alone or with the help of someone.
Pluto here means that in a past life the person has lived with no fear regarding death and has lived his life in the present moment not caring about the future or others. In this life, he will fear death and he will think twice about how will live his life ( I failed this karmic test unfortunately). Usually when hard planets are present in 12th house, the karma is heavy this is the last lifetime of that person.
I have Pluto in 12th house. I have an irrational fear of death, of having hidden enemies ( or people who want to harm me) and a lot of many other fears I cannot release. PS: I wrote too much. Sorry. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 27, 2013 11:01 AM
Rosalind, thank you for a very informative post!!!! I have north node conjunct my stellium so anyone has planets conjunct my planets are gonna be somewhat karmic to me then. My pluto is in 7th, guess I was bad in my past life. Saturn is such a theme in my chart, reallyIP: Logged |
happyaskings
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posted December 27, 2013 12:20 PM
Some of yall are seriously sick. Would you tell someone to stay in a relationship where they were being pysically abused every day, merely because it is a "karmic" relationship? You can get out of any relationship you want to get out of and astrology has nothing to do with that. Karma is all about lessons anyway, sometimes by being strong enough to remove yourself from a situation that is no longer good for you, you have "learned" the lesson.IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 12:24 PM
I love being sick. Sickness is my trademark. Muahahaha.Seriously now, I don't think you understand well the concept of karma. Karma isnt something that you CAN CHOOSE. Karmic relationships CANNOT be avoided and if someone stays in an abusive relationship stays because he has no choice. The karma is NOT over. If you abused someone in a past life you will be ABUSED. IP: Logged |
happyaskings
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posted December 27, 2013 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I love being sick. Sickness is my trademark. Muahahaha.Seriously now, I don't think you understand well the concept of karma. Karma isnt something that you CAN CHOOSE. Karmic relationships CANNOT be avoided and if someone stays in an abusive relationship stays because he has no choice. The karma is NOT over. If you abused someone in a past life you will be ABUSED.
Seek professional help. Seriously. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by happyaskings:
Seek professional help. Seriously.
Seriously, if you are not interested in astrology why are you here? And I don't need professional help. You seem to need it since you didnt understand my joke. IP: Logged |
happyaskings
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posted December 27, 2013 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Seriously, if you are not interested in astrology why are you here? And I don't need professional help. You seem to need it since you didnt understand my joke.
I never said I wasn't interested in astrology, I stated that you should not use astrology as an excuse to not take control and responsibilty over your own life. If you really think you have no control over getting out of a harmful relationship, you need help. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by happyaskings:
I never said I wasn't interested in astrology, I stated that you should not use astrology as an excuse to not take control and responsibilty over your own life. If you really think you have no control over getting out of a harmful relationship, you need help.
I think you landed on the wrong forum. We don't do psychology here. We do astrology. And besides: we are not sick. Astrology is accurate. If you don't believe in it that doesn't mean we shouldn't either. Can you please THINK before posting? Thank you.
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Kerosene
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posted December 27, 2013 01:14 PM
Hmmm say astrologically if there are people who submit to "karma" what aspects/planets belong to those who defy karma?IP: Logged |
page one
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posted December 27, 2013 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
I like the idea of karmic relationship.
I have Pluto in Scorpio in 7th house.
That would be your choice, but the idea that you CAN'T ESCAPE a bad, supposedly karmic relationship, one that is toxic or could become so is just crazy. And anyone encouraging you to get involved in a situation that sends out such red flags should be ignored. At the least. IP: Logged |
happyaskings
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posted December 27, 2013 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I think you landed on the wrong forum. We don't do psychology here. We do astrology. And besides: we are not sick. Astrology is accurate. If you don't believe in it that doesn't mean we shouldn't either. Can you please THINK before posting? Thank you.
You aren't making sense. Astrology IS accurate but the idea that you don't have free will is ludicrous. Cut the nonsense. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by happyaskings:
You aren't making sense. Astrology IS accurate but the idea that you don't have free will is ludicrous. Cut the nonsense.
Nonsense for you, pal. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted December 27, 2013 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Hmmm say astrologically if there are people who submit to "karma" what aspects/planets belong to those who defy karma?
Uranus IMO. Uranians approach a situation from a different perspective, which definitely helps if you want to get out of the karmic cycle. Saturnians follow the same old routine. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 27, 2013 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by page one:
That would be your choice, but the idea that you CAN'T ESCAPE a bad, supposedly karmic relationship, one that is toxic or could become so is just crazy. And anyone encouraging you to get involved in a situation that sends out such red flags should be ignored. At the least.
Karma isn't about the idea that you can't escape certain consequences. It's about the fact that in your psyche, certain problems exist and karma asks you to confront them. If you are in bad karmic relationship, you probably need to learn to be yourself, assert you needs. Good relationships allow you to get away with not knowing how to assert yourself but karmic relationship forces you to learn the lesson and be your better self. If you still choose to stay in the bad relationship, you fail to learn your karmic lessons and you will probably keep being in bad relationships until you learn how to stand up for yourself. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted December 27, 2013 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by happyaskings:
Seek professional help. Seriously.
Someone needs to learn to take a joke. And two, all we are saying is that sooner or later you are going to face your karma, if not in a boyfriend or spouse, then in your boss at your job, or with someone who's a roommate, that's all. No one is asking you or anyone else to stay in a physically or mentally abusive relationship. IP: Logged |
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