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Topic: Can you escape karmic relationships?
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DaniPepper87
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posted December 27, 2013 04:49 PM
  
Rosalind, thanks for you time to see my situation... Good night and all the best!  IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted December 27, 2013 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
That's not what was said. Your reading comprehension is faulty. They were saying that no matter what, if you have karmic ties to someone you HAVE to have something with them, that it will happen no matter what and you can't get away from it. they made absolutely no mention of what you're talking about which is something else entirely.I don't know if that's your friend or what, but don't enable bad behavior that encourages others to stay in situations they'd be better off leaving. A real friend won't support a friend giving bad advice that might hurt others.
Editing to add - that I wont even get off into the astrological inaccuracy of some of their earlier statements - Moon conjunct SN means former child? Really now? Well my Moon conjuncts the NN of some of my exes, and clearly, I didn't give birth to them in this life, and they aren't my children...which would be the set up if that rather strange theory were true.
That's not what was said, but they didn't mean stay in a bad/abusive relationship either. I only read about two people who needed mental help, and you're acting like EVERYONE here is beneath you. People like you are just self-righteous and looking for an excuse to inflate your own ego. Maybe you and other people need to get over yourself? Arrogance and snobbiness isn't attractive. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 27, 2013 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
That's not what was said. Your reading comprehension is faulty. They were saying that no matter what, if you have karmic ties to someone you HAVE to have something with them, that it will happen no matter what and you can't get away from it. they made absolutely no mention of what you're talking about which is something else entirely.I don't know if that's your friend or what, but don't enable bad behavior that encourages others to stay in situations they'd be better off leaving. A real friend won't support a friend giving bad advice that might hurt others.
Editing to add - that I wont even get off into the astrological inaccuracy of some of their earlier statements - Moon conjunct SN means former child? Really now? Well my Moon conjuncts the NN of some of my exes, and clearly, I didn't give birth to them in this life, and they aren't my children...which would be the set up if that rather strange theory were true.
Your reading comprehension is non existent and you are just a sad troll.
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Lioness
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posted December 27, 2013 10:20 PM
I think I have a lot of karmic type relationships...
Meaning to learn some type of lesson.. The hardest one on my emotionally was the one with fishy... I desperately tried to end it for years, but I had this enormous pull to him..
I felt the universe would make sure, I went back...
Even though it was still a choice, it was just an overwhelming pull, cuz it "wasn't finished" I think once a relationship is truly finished ( lesson learned) then and only then will it end...
But also sometimes the karma can be, that the relationship doesn't exists, and one person just has to accept that...
Once they lesson is learned, then that person will move on... I've learned my lesson with fishy. (Hoping) I refuse to speak or have any contact with him now..
When I see him, I turn and walk the other way...
Maybe this is now part of his lesson too.. Idk..
He tried to say hi to me, I ignored him, and walked away.
It's now up to him, to figure out what happen, if he does or not... I don't care... He's on his own..
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amelia28
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posted December 27, 2013 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
No. You can't escape them. Karma is very difficult to define. Karmic relationships can last a day, a week, a months or years. It depends of many aspects but definitely no one can escape them. We may think that but no. Usually people who have 12th house composite full of with some planets in this house can have long relationships. Karma here is difficult. More difficult than simply having Saturn or personal planets in 8th or 4th house or NN aspected by planets. Udually composites with 12th house are the most painful relationship. May seem lovely etc but in the end when karma is gone, the relationship is also gone. There is a reason why I always say is better to have the karmic houses especially 12th EMPTY of planets.
I have jupiter/uranus in the 12th house conjunct my ascendent. I ALSO have venus leo 23 and mars leo 24 forming a stellium with asteroid KARMA in leo 23. Both committed relationships I have been on have strong 12th house placements in synastry and the first relationship I have a bunch of 12th house placements in composite with (It was extremely difficult for me to forget this person and for them to forget me, I feel most of the karma with this person dealt with pluto lessons in letting go and moving on). The second relationship which I am in right now still (going on 7 years in march) I have an extremely packed 8th house composite including saturn but empty 12th house composite. However in synastry his mars/uranus/DC stellium fall in my 12th house and square his venus and my venus/mars conjunction. His uranus just moved into his 12th house and is possible that is now that we will finally start making progress with the karma that we have to work out together. I use to think the 12th house was a house of soulmate relationships and I thought it was a good thing. I did not realize that the 12th house in a natal chart and in synastry or composite deal strongly with unresolved karma and KARMA EQUALS A LOT WORK AND HEARTACHE. The 12th house gives you that instant recognition of the other soul and you feel you care for them soon after you meet them but it also means a lot of work ahead and pain bc that is part of what happens when you are working out karma. Perhaps I should have stayed away from 12th house composite and synastry placements but its become clear to me over the years that this lifetime is about me working out karma in relation to romantic committed relationships. It feels like I will not be allowed to move forward unless and until I do. The beginning and the end of my first karmic relationship felt out of my control. The karmic lesson was about not getting too attached, learning about the impermanence of things and learning to forgive, let go and accept.His sun felt in my 12th and my sun felt in his 12th. Our composite was packed with 12th house placements. Pluto rules my 12th house. He was a scorpio. This lesson was super painful and took a long time to fully incorporate and let go of him. With my second relationship I felt responsible for him from the beginning and still do. I imagine when the karmic debt is payed I will not feel that sense of responsibility any longer. I feel also that perhaps the value of "right Speech" and "Right Thought" is something I Need to learn with this relationship since I have northnode in gemini in the 7th and his natal mars/uranus/dc conjunction squaring his venus and my venus/mars conjunction our fights tend to get out of hand and really put to the test my ability to engage in "right speech" and "right thought" with him.
Any advice about karmic relationships and input on this subject matter is welcomed.
Namaste.
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tgem
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posted December 28, 2013 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Its karmic. Can last years but once the karma is burnt the relationship cease to exist.
So it's guaranteed to end once the karma has be paid..can the karma be settled and the relationship last? IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 28, 2013 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by tgem:
So it's guaranteed to end once the karma has be paid..can the karma be settled and the relationship last?
No. NEGATIVE karma ALWAYS means UNFINISHED BUSINESS but in a negative way, not a positive one. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 28, 2013 10:46 AM
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Rosalind
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posted December 28, 2013 10:52 AM
1. Remove the MINOR asteroids. Leave the MAJOR ones.
2. Put him OUTSIDE and you INSIDE (his TOB is unknown and you know yours). I cannot see his feelings for you, only yours for him.
I cannot even see the patterns properly with so many asteroids.IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 28, 2013 10:54 AM
What are the major ones? I just used whatever is mentioned in the asteroid forum (lol excuse the ignorant me)IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 28, 2013 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
What are the major ones? I just used whatever is mentioned in the asteroid forum (lol excuse the ignorant me)
Lilith, Chiron, Part of Fortune, Juno. Add Vertex too. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 28, 2013 11:04 AM
Where the chart disappeared? :IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 28, 2013 11:04 AM
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Rosalind
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posted December 28, 2013 11:16 AM
What a lovely Earth Grand trine and Kite.
Karma:1. SN over 5th house with NN in 11th. You had a short romance with him in a past life but now you are meant to be friends (or at leaast you want that)
2. Pluto over 7th house in close conjunction with DSC. Whatever relationship you want to have with him, its gonna be intense and very transformative for you.
3. Lilith over 5th house. I sense that you have this feeling that everytime he looks at you he is seeing you in an oversexual way. Like the temptation or the forbidden fruit. Or you can see him like that. Something stops you though. You feel the intensity of the connection you have with him (NN conjunct Saturn) to be heavy for you. You don't see very comfortable with him. Something doesn't feel right.
Moon and Venus over 9th house. I think you have a spiritual connection with him through this karma.
As friends you would do great. As lovers... I don't think so.
That Mars over 12th house is frustrating. You may feel atrracted by him but you feel like he is not quite. Or if he is, you cannot see that properly (12th house is hidden). He practically keeps you in limbo. You wonder: Is he liking me back? What if I do something wrong? What if we fail? IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 28, 2013 11:23 AM
Rosalind,You are sooo right on this. Except I never question whether he likes me back, probably because of the intense, overly sexual looks. He is also very serious guy (cap moon) so I don't think he would play games with me. I always feel the saturnian burden though. Thank you so much for the interpretation IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted December 28, 2013 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
No. NEGATIVE karma ALWAYS means UNFINISHED BUSINESS but in a negative way, not a positive one.
So Saturn in the 12th is negative karma? What aspects would be positive karma? IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 28, 2013 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by tgem:
So Saturn in the 12th is negative karma? What aspects would be positive karma?
Positive karma is hard to define. If you do good you receive good. If not....
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tgem
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posted December 28, 2013 12:18 PM
That's interesting. I was told I would have good karma in regards to love/money. I have natal venus and mars in harmonious aspect to my karma asteroid.IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted December 28, 2013 02:47 PM
What if his NN fell into my 4th house in synastry?IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted December 28, 2013 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by tgem:
So it's guaranteed to end once the karma has be paid..can the karma be settled and the relationship last?
Now I want to write a story about a couple. The girl realizes it's a karmic relationship and eventually during the course of getting to know eachother, figures out what she needs to do to repay the karma.. But she doesn't ever do it so she can be with the guy for the rest of this life and meet him in the next. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
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posted December 28, 2013 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Now I want to write a story about a couple. The girl realizes it's a karmic relationship and eventually during the course of getting to know eachother, figures out what she needs to do to repay the karma.. But she doesn't ever do it so she can be with the guy for the rest of this life and meet him in the next.
Then it reverts to a Vertex thing? Ah, hahaha..... IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted December 29, 2013 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by tgem:
What if his NN fell into my 4th house in synastry?
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 29, 2013 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by tgem:
So Saturn in the 12th is negative karma? What aspects would be positive karma?
Venus and Jupiter in twelfth are supposed to relate to good karma left over from the past. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 30, 2013 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Venus and Jupiter in twelfth are supposed to relate to good karma left over from the past.
Only Jupiter IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Only Jupiter
Venus too because it's accidentally dignified here. IP: Logged |
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