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LovelyAries86
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posted December 31, 2013 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have both my Sun & NN in the 7th House. I sometimes feel that descriptions of this placement describe us as "depending on others" like we are followers or something -- which is false for me. If anything...others end up following, crying to, or leaning on me! I love people (the good ones) and enjoy connecting w/ them. But I'm independent in many ways!

Please take a look at some of the Famous People w/ their Sun in the 7th below:


-Princess Diana
-Prince William
-Madonna
-Jennifer Lawrence
-Pink
-Gieselle Bundchin

-Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
-Ricky Martin
-Katherine Hepburn
-Virgin Mary *supposedly*

-Miley Cyrus
-Jessica Simpson
-Sharon Stone
-Hugh Hefner
-Clint Eastwood

-Adolf Hitler (Eww!)
-Charles Manson (Yuck!)
-Sharon Tate (Charles' victim)


*What do you feel that the people above share in common? Do they seem like followrs to you?

*How do you generally view people w/ this placement?

*Do you have this placement yourself?

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CatMote
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posted December 31, 2013 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CatMote     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think this is a good house for our aries suns (assuming you are an aries sun..i get that from your name).
anyways, i say that because it lets us not be so self absorbed as i think some aries are. i think we can use our arian traits and really be able to relate to others, letting them trust us so they can relinquish the lead to us easier. after all, we are natural born leaders and instead of forcing our way there i would rather have people give us the lead and have faith.
i have my aries sun in the 7th house as well. i dont feel dependent on others either. i feel connected to others.

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Sun Aries Moon Pisces
Mars Pisces Venus Pisces
Mercury Aries Jupiter in Virgo
Saturn in Aquarius Pluto in Scorpio
Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn
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IMoppedtheFloor
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posted December 31, 2013 01:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah I think that's kind of an overblown stereotype. I've even seen other people say on various online forums that those with their sun in the 7th house have no identity at all without others.

I sat there like, "You can't be serious".

My sun is in that house too. I think it means more that you're going to have a life that forces you to interact with others more than is typical, but not that you necessarily NEED people to an abnormal extreme.

And...Princess Di and Prince William are just very very very cool people, let's get that outta the way right now LOL.

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posted December 31, 2013 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see this placement to indicate the person being a follower, but I think it can come off sounding like that without deeper investigation.

Sun in 7H relies on others in order to express their individual beauty. Madonna (a Leo Sun) is a great example of this. Her entire identity is based on how her environment has and may see her. Jennifer Lawrence (also a Leo) expresses this in a much less deliberate way, but she rises as a star (in part), because her environment just can't get enough of how "herself" she acts off screen. She always seems genuine in the way she relates with others and that is definitely due to Sun in the 7H.

7H represents our capacity for interacting with our environment, when the Sun is found there, we shine particularly bright when we are interacting with our environment in an optimal way. It's no surprise people come to rely on you, because your avenue for genuinely expressing your nature, is found when directly interacting with your environment.

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posted December 31, 2013 02:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xiiro:
I don't see this placement to indicate the person being a follower, but I think it can come off sounding like that without deeper investigation.

Sun in 7H relies on others in order to express their individual beauty. Madonna (a Leo Sun) is a great example of this. Her entire identity is based on how her environment has and may see her. Jennifer Lawrence (also a Leo) expresses this in a much less deliberate way, but she rises as a star (in part), because her environment just can't get enough of how "herself" she acts off screen. She always seems genuine in the way she relates with others and that is definitely due to Sun in the 7H.

7H represents our capacity for interacting with our environment, when the Sun is found there, we shine particularly bright when we are interacting with our environment in an optimal way. It's no surprise people come to rely on you, because your avenue for genuinely expressing your nature, is found when directly interacting with your environment.


Madonna is a firecracker, and I think Madonna would be Madonna even if no one was watching/listening to her lmao.

I really do think the Sun in the 7th just forces you to have to interact with people more often than is typical - whether you really want to or not. My moon is in the 8th so I'd love to be off in isolation but my sun being in the 7th pretty much always forces me to deal with other people constantly. I see sun in the 7th house of the other tying in in terms of Madonna's constant exposure to/interaction with other people - her fame, and Princess Diana's as well as Prince Williams. I view this placement as the 'you're going to have to deal with a WHOLE LOTTA people whether you like it or not, so just accept it' planetary position.

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posted December 31, 2013 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see all those people as very sociable and other oriented as opposed to being focused on self. Seventh house sun is a good placement for anyone who seeks fame or influence because it's a lead-up to the tenth house which indicates the public life and if someone is suited for it. Seventh house people can handle a busy social life while someone with sun in first house, for instance, might find it uncomfortable. First house is more loner type while seventh and tenth are the ones who seek out others, want to influence or be with them. That's the difference between ascendant and descendant. You only have to look at the difference between the sign Aries and Libra that correlate with these cardinal points. Aries is the self while Libra is others. So, the seventh house sun will focus on others, the first house one, on themselves.

Seventh house suns are not followers as much as they are people persons. You hear people describe certain others it just means they are skilled at handling others and really enjoy being with them, hate being alone. That's the seventh house sun. They are not here to be loners and if they find themselves in that situation, chances are they are not happy or comfortable, just like the first house sun might feel out of sorts when they have to deal with others.

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posted December 31, 2013 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah! This is one of my favourite topics

I have 7th house Leo sun tightly conjunct DSC.

I am a loner that meets a lot of people. Some people NEED a physical solitude to be able to replenish themselves whereas I believe a 7th house sun can switched off inwardly while being in the company of others without appearing to do so.Also ,the way I feel my 7th house Sun is I can sorta connect with people almost instantly, whether people I deal with at work,or it's people I interact with when I go shopping for instance. But I also attract guys that have a good dose of ego too that can turn into an ego power struggle.

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posted December 31, 2013 03:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun/Saturn/NN in 7th house Cap (confusing lol)

I think people with NN in 7th might have had a lot handed to them or had a big ego in past lives, and now we're learning to put others first (if you believe in re-incarnation of course) As a Cancer Asc, I feel I was labeled growing up (by my parents) as much more vulnerable and "weak" than I actually was, so they could have that control over me. Which I've been kind of bitter about since I've felt it's held me back in quite a few ways, but I'm starting to finally understand the purpose of my 7th house planets. I have a lot of ambition, and yeah I could've gone off to be a "successful", status-hungry Cap climbing the ladder and not caring who I had to step on to get to the top, but that's not who I am or want to be. Of course I still want a career and everything that comes along with it, but I think having 7th house planets has just made me a lot more aware of the way what I want fits in with and affects other people.

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LovelyAries86
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posted December 31, 2013 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CatMote:
i think this is a good house for our aries suns (assuming you are an aries sun..i get that from your name).
anyways, i say that because it lets us not be so self absorbed as i think some aries are. i think we can use our arian traits and really be able to relate to others, letting them trust us so they can relinquish the lead to us easier. after all, we are natural born leaders and instead of forcing our way there i would rather have people give us the lead and have faith.
i have my aries sun in the 7th house as well. i dont feel dependent on others either. i feel connected to others.


Perfectly stated.

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LovelyAries86
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posted December 31, 2013 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xiiro:

She always seems genuine in the way she relates with others and that is definitely due to Sun in the 7H.

7H represents our capacity for interacting with our environment, when the Sun is found there, we shine particularly bright when we are interacting with our environment in an optimal way. It's no surprise people come to rely on you, because your avenue for genuinely expressing your nature, is found when directly interacting with your environment.


Hmmm interesting. Thanks for the response!

What I gather most from this is that 7H Suns are not followers but rather, we are people that relate to others so well that oftentimes THEY end up following US.

These astrology sites better start getting this right!


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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
I view this placement as the 'you're going to have to deal with a WHOLE LOTTA people whether you like it or not, so just accept it' planetary position.

Pretty much.

I'm here to deal w/ people whether I want to or not. I personally believe that I'm meant to help people grow & evolve in some way.

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LovelyAries86
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posted December 31, 2013 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@SSS
@FireMoon

Thank you for your replies!!


quote:
Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Ah! This is one of my favourite topics

I have 7th house Leo sun tightly conjunct DSC.

Some people NEED a physical solitude to be able to replenish themselves whereas I believe a 7th house sun can switched off inwardly while being in the company of others without appearing to do so. Also ,the way I feel my 7th house Sun is I can sorta connect with people almost instantly, whether people I deal with at work,or it's people I interact with when I go shopping for instance. But I also attract guys that have a good dose of ego too that can turn into an ego power struggle.


OMG this is so true! Especially that "can switched off inwardly while being in the company of others without appearing to do so" part. We're some slick SOBs!!

I do need my moments of solitude, definitely. But I need my time out having fun too! Balance it out like a true Libra.

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IMoppedtheFloor
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posted December 31, 2013 05:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I see all those people as very sociable and other oriented as opposed to being focused on self. Seventh house sun is a good placement for anyone who seeks fame or influence because it's a lead-up to the tenth house which indicates the public life and if someone is suited for it. Seventh house people can handle a busy social life while someone with sun in first house, for instance, might find it uncomfortable. First house is more loner type while seventh and tenth are the ones who seek out others, want to influence or be with them. That's the difference between ascendant and descendant. You only have to look at the difference between the sign Aries and Libra that correlate with these cardinal points. Aries is the self while Libra is others. So, the seventh house sun will focus on others, the first house one, on themselves.

Seventh house suns are not followers as much as they are people persons. You hear people describe certain others it just means they are skilled at handling others and really enjoy being with them, hate being alone. That's the seventh house sun. They are not here to be loners and if they find themselves in that situation, chances are they are not happy or comfortable, just like the first house sun might feel out of sorts when they have to deal with others.



I think you have to look at the whole chart though, because I'll be honest - if I'm surrounded by people I quickly get overwhelmed and eventually once the sense of panic subsides, I just get really snarky in a dark way and wind up saying something to run everybody off so I can have some peace.

I don't like being alone in the sense of totally alone - like, when I had my cat here I was happy, but I don't need or want constant company in the sense of other human BEINGS constantly being around. I'm honestly the reverse of what you said, the less people there are around me, the happier and more at ease, I feel.

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posted January 02, 2014 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:

I think you have to look at the whole chart though, because I'll be honest - if I'm surrounded by people I quickly get overwhelmed and eventually once the sense of panic subsides, I just get really snarky in a dark way and wind up saying something to run everybody off so I can have some peace.

I don't like being alone in the sense of totally alone - like, when I had my cat here I was happy, but I don't need or want constant company in the sense of other human BEINGS constantly being around. I'm honestly the reverse of what you said, the less people there are around me, the happier and more at ease, I feel.


What is your actual Sun Sign?

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quote:
Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
What is your actual Sun Sign?



Leo, 7th house
Aqua ascendant
Moon in Libra, 8th house, conjunct Pluto

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posted January 02, 2014 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:

Leo, 7th house
Aqua ascendant
Moon in Libra, 8th house, conjunct Pluto

Just curious. Do you relate more to your Sun or your Moon?

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posted January 03, 2014 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If we see the houses as a continuous journey, then in the first 6 houses of the chart, we learn to understand our self, while the other 6 houses of the chart are about understanding others and one's self with others.

In the 7th house, we begin to realize the existence of others, and through others we see ourselves, the reflection of our self.

This is by no means to be dependent of others, but to realize their existence as well, to know them as well, which in return can also teach us something about ourselves.

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posted January 03, 2014 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
those celebrities aren't followers, but they depend on people to find their identities.

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posted January 03, 2014 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AriesLilith:

In the 7th house, we begin to realize the existence of others, and through others we see ourselves, the reflection of our self.

This is by no means to be dependent of others, but to realize their existence as well, to know them as well, which in return can also teach us something about ourselves.


I enjoyed that response, very well stated. Thanks!

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posted January 17, 2014 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just learned that Robert F Kennedy had Sun in 7th also. I'm very pleased to know this!

And (2) of my man crushes do too:
Shemar Moore
Mario Lopez

Yummy...

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posted January 17, 2014 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlexDern     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sign is very important too. A sun in capricorn in the Severn is radically different than an Aries sun in the sevent, so much in fact that we might be bold enough to say that there is more in common between a Taurus sun in the first.

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posted January 17, 2014 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlexDern     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sign is very important too. A sun in capricorn in the Severn is radically different than an Aries sun in the sevent, so much in fact that we might be bold enough to say that there is more in common between a Taurus sun in the first.

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posted January 17, 2014 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AlexDern:
Sign is very important too. A sun in capricorn in the Severn is radically different than an Aries sun in the seventh, so much in fact that we might be bold enough to say that there is more in common between a Taurus sun in the first.

So you're saying that a person w/ their Sun in the 1st has much in common w/ an Arian who has their Sun in the 7th?

Hmmm gave me something to ponder.

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posted January 18, 2014 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlexDern     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. IT could be.

I wouldn't assume so though if the person had a lot of planets in the seventh and eighth and 9th...but say they had aries sun in the seventh and then a whole slew of planets in the fifth, sixth and one of the first to last houses.

I think it's a mistake to assume someone is a house or sign or planet, and not the unique combination of them.

That's why I think we have distributions on astrotheme.

It's better to look at the number of aspects, houses, signs, and planets in whole.

And this is how science happens too...we have fractals...one subtle difference in the gene code could be the one point in the system that changes everything.

Not trying to lecture here...just speaking from experiences.

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posted January 18, 2014 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chargeomentum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Except the fact that most of the people don't like to be called "followers", "someone with no personallity of their own", or w/e it is.

OBVIOUSLY ANY KIND OF PLACEMENT THAT MAKES THEM FEEL INFERIOR WILL BE WRONG FOR A PERSON WHO ISN'T FULLY DEDICATED TO ASTROLOGY.
That includes me too, lol.

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posted January 18, 2014 04:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by summerlite:
those celebrities aren't followers, but they depend on people to find their identities.

This is inherently nonsensical.

Everybody has an identity or there would be on "sun" in their natal chart.

Come again. *rimshot; chucks mic at your fat head*

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