posted January 05, 2014 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Please let me know how you recoqnize old souls

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posted January 05, 2014 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Like you say, respect is earned. Maybe if you came back from the other side with perfect recall you and every other "karmic astrologer" would have some claim to being taken seriously, but as you haven't, it's all opinion and nothing else. You don't have perfect recall, do you?

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posted January 05, 2014 04:00 PM            

I look at Cap rising quite a bit, there is something sad, sweet, old beyond their years.
Have you ever met one that just made you want to cry because of the sadness they've always seemed to live through? Their acceptance of life and their hope for the future? Chances are you've found an old soul.

posted January 05, 2014 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Nelson Mandela, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, the Dalai Lama and Rosalind are all old souls?

Interesting.

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yes, probably. Why not? Once a man I know said that there are 6 Stadiums of Soul development:

1. to have and not to have -> People who love Money, possessions and also who suffer are lot of the Absence of basics they don't have like Food
2. do -> People who are busy with questions of doing and also with questions re. "inner strength" like workoholics and people who always feel low
3. to be -> People who want to be cool and who Keep asking themselves who they are like Lifestyle Junkies, philosophers, etc.
4. love -> of course love questions are their Topics of life but also who conduct a lot of pressure toward others like Gurus, spiritual leaders
5. humility: People who suffer from a lot of pressure of others; who have to learn humbleness toward the Lord, mankind and at all of everything
6. luck: artists. (not to be confused with People who want to be cool and artistic, those guys are probably not old souls) People who use their creative inner strength to create something for others

posted January 05, 2014 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Let's say you're an old soul, and you've lived like 400 past lives, and have more to go. Can a person like this get along with someone who's more of a newbie, like someone who's only in their 3rd lifetime?

This is obviously a question for those who believes in past lives and things along those lines. What do you think?

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Not sure but I was thinking of something earlier. Some people are really into their Bible and can relate well to the stories. I wonder if these people are old souls feeling connected to their past lives. The ones who question more and cannot feel a connection to those historic places are more alienated and could possibly be new souls just starting on their journey.

posted January 05, 2014 07:08 PM            

It has nothing to do with astrology or karma and everything to do with the individual spirit feeding off of / learning from the energy of the universe (energy being the key word). A tree can be an old soul, a dog can be an old soul, a lake can be an old soul, a child can be an old soul...

And, yes, the old and the young get along just fine.

Last, don't think that being an old soul means you can't learn from a younger less evolved soul.

posted January 05, 2014 07:32 PM            

a younger soul is far more into things like money, status, Lifestyle, etc.

"middle" souls are those who chase spiritual wisedom, who arrogantly look down to supposedly less developed souls and who think that they are wise but they aren't

posted January 05, 2014 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
I recognize old/new souls the following way: the souls are behind the human beings as if they were sitting on their shoulders. The bigger, rounder, brighter the soul, the older she is.
A friend of mine is quite a young soul: Here soul is not bigger than her head, quite dark (black) and looks somehow fringed.
My acquaintance has a very old soul. The soul is almost as tall as the room, very round and not black, more a grey tone with a lot of light in it.

And now call me crazy

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I've never seen it but felt something similar. I love how you describe it!!!

posted January 05, 2014 08:03 PM              

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Originally posted by incognito:
I think that new souls are more animalistic and react to thinks in a simplistic way. No introspection. No complexity. They are much more bound by their natal charts for example. Acting out the good and bad aspects automatically and cannot transcend their charts (not that you necessarily want to though). I think my dad is a young soul with a harsh mars aspect. He would blow up at the slightest thing. This would affect everyone around him and it screwed up my parents marriage. However much pain it caused him, (sometimes he would be in tears), he was incapable of introspection and couldn't learn from the mistakes. He was just stuck acting out the negative aspects in his chart over and over again.

I also feel like young souls do things because they 'can'. Whereas older ones, because they have had so many more lifetimes behind them, don't automatically go for the higher paying job, or the 'better' option. They've done that in the past so there's no thrill or drive to do it again, even if they can. Its not always about questioning authority, its about questioning their own options in life.

Its like when u watch a movie several times. At first you watch it and pay attention to the big idea of the scene the main point of the movie and all the one liners that crack everyone up. After watching it several times over, you start focusing on the little nuances, like the background and the extras in the scene. Also what exactly did that character mean when he said that? Things start to have more than one meaning. The focus shifts and everything becomes more complex.

I think it would be hard for them to get along in the long run. I was with an older soul and it was a nightmare because I couldn't understand the depth of what he was saying and it also scared me because the ideas were so nebulous and transcendental and I'm not ready to go there yet-would require letting go of too many of my mental constructs. Also I would get the feeling that he would feel alone while surrounded by many people. Not sad, sometimes happy. Just alone.

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posted January 05, 2014 08:15 PM            

I've seen people I 'believe' to be old souls act like jerks. Being an old soul doesn't mean you are without flaws or incapable doing wrongs.

And vice versa, I've seen young souls, or who 'I' believe subjectively that are young souls, be the most caring and warm people I've ever met. They are wise and smart, and can be also.

We have free will, nobody can force you or anybody else to be a bad or a good person!

posted January 05, 2014 08:19 PM            

Do you think the ascendant is more important than the house placements? For example if someone was Aries rising but had all planets in the 12th would they be 'older' than a Capricorn rising with all planets in the first?

I ask because I'm a cap rising (and people have always told me I look sad) I met a cancer rising and he had a stellium of planets in the 12th in gemini. He was a typical gemini but would come up with the deepest things at times. I felt he was older than me

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello Enneline, there is not just one aspect for an old soul but it does have hard Capricorn planet, placements or points with a 12th house emphasis and not always planets.
Saturn also figures prominently.

I look at Cap rising quite a bit, there is something sad, sweet, old beyond their years.
Have you ever met one that just made you want to cry because of the sadness they've always seemed to live through? Their acceptance of life and their hope for the future? Chances are you've found an old soul.

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posted January 05, 2014 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:

The people I've seen act like that though, are ALWAYS the people who claim to be old souls. The people they insist are new souls seem to have a fair amount of self-control. The old ones do whatever they want and always rationalize it and feel entitled to do what they want to people.

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posted January 05, 2014 08:35 PM              

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
First of all, you need to know that new souls and old souls are VERY RARE. What exists on Earth are middle aged souls because karma is keeping them here until its cleared.
Now, NO SOUL lived 400 lives. That's impossible because the soul doesn't reincarnate so many times and because it depends solely on the degree of the karma. There is a cycle of 9 reincarnations. I think most of you heard and read about it. The first and last reincarnation is the most important.
To answer your question in short the answer is that we don't know that. Young souls and old souls have special missions aside from regular souls who keep reincarnating to clear the karma. Young souls are born to LEARN. Old souls to LEARN AND TEACH.
Young souls since are like babies rarely go and share lives with old souls and that because they must live their own mission. They need to live and to experience the live on Earth. Old souls are here to live and experience their LAST lifetime on Earth. And usually is the most painful. Not only because of the karma but also because their soul bears the past lifetimes experiences which are both good and bad.
The young souls are the rebel ones. The souls that don't know anything and that must gain experience over their lifetime cycle. Old souls are the disciplinate ones who are wise and know what life is.
You can make the difference between them by observing people. Usually, people who are REALISTIC and who live their lives according to the Earth plane and rules are young souls. Their mission is not easy. While they live their mundane lives, their soul is searching for the invisible plane, for the spiritual side, to go back there, to God. Old souls are already on that path. Their last mission is to spread their knowledge on spiritual matters, to spread God's will and that means : love, kindness, acceptance, peace etc. Example: Nelson Mandela was an old soul. Dalai Lama is an old soul. Mother Teresa etc.
Children who have a superior intelligence, who are misunderstood, bullied from early stages of their life. People who are DIFFERENT from other people. Those are RARE and ARE old souls.
The thing with like and dislike regarding people, has NOTHING to do with old and young souls. Has to do with KARMA. If in a past life someone has harmed you, in this life you are gonna dislike that person and you are gonna be reluctant towards that person but not because of fear but because your soul knows what that person did to you and doesn't want to repeat the same pattern. Karmic relationships have one sole purpose: TO FORGIVE AND MEND THINGS. If things cant be mended, that's alright, the meeting itself has cleared the karma. That person was brought into your life with the purpose for you to FORGIVE.

Regarding Twilight. And no, Bella and Edward are NOT twin flames or soulmates. Edward is not an old soul, Bella is not an young soul. They are karmic soulmates who happened to be in love. Just because Edward has died at age 17 and became a vampire who experienced THE MUNDANE life that doesn't make him an old soul. His soul has experienced the same life for a century and so and while in a dead body cannot complete or keep the reincarnation cycle on going. His soul is trapped in that dead body no matter how many years or centuries has lived. That's not how the karma works. The soul is a SPIRITUAL thing. Bella and Edward are both DEAD living an IMMORTAL life HERE ON EARTH. Their connection with God is NONEXISTENT.

Young souls usually live their first lifetimes being confused and amazed by the Earth plane. They rarely accomodate to this plane, wanting to go back on the other side. Earth plane is a CHALLENGE, A TEST from God which happens to be AT ALL easy.
Old souls know their lifetime cycle has come to an end and their know one day they will go back to the SOURCE (or God).
They have karma to clear as well, their are challenged and tested probably worse than young souls but that is only to make them realize that what really matters is the spiritual plane, the come back to God where everything is well. Where there is no more suffering and pain. Because like young souls they are born without a memory, until they realise their purpose on Earth, a certain stage of their mundane life is filled with resistance. I am an old soul and I didnt want to accept my reality until a few years ago. Its not that I have a choice, anyway. When I started to remember my past lives, when I started to realised the purpose of my lifetime and found out that this is my last lifetime on Earth, I cried. I felt like I didnt do enough for myself and others. I felt and still feel that I didnt experience too many things and that my life is gonna be short without much joy. What can I say? Its God's will, not mine. Since I was a little child I felt I was different. I was looking at other kids of my age and I felt older than them. My mind was very different from theirs. They were anxious to learn new things about life and I was feeling exhausted about it. Everytime someone was trying to teach me something I was getting bored. I was feeling that nothing I was told was new.
All my karmic relationships are with young souls including the members of my family. God wanted me to see how I lived in my past lives through these people. God wanted me to accept and forgive. Its not easy, especially if these people keep doing bad things towards me. I can only accept that this is a part of God's plan and hope that one day will be better.
To be an young soul is not easy because there is no guidance except life itself.
To be an old soul is not easy either because your mission is greater that other might think. You have experience and you must be a guide for others. You must teach, you must guide people that might NOT accept or understand your purpose. Nelson Mandela is a perfect example. Martin Luther King another.

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You still aren't making any sense. You say that almost no one is an old soul or young soul, then spend most of your post going into young souls and old souls like everybody is either one or the other.

Then there's the judgment call where you say rebellious people are automatically young souls by default, and that people who got picked on on the school playground must be evolved souls. How do you know for sure? Or is it just you assigning your own value judgments to people? Trust me, I've encountered more than a few people who got picked on in class that are in no way comparable to Mother Theresa or Mandela. People who got bullied are just as inclined to be monsters as those that weren't - in fact, they're more inclined to be so because they feel like they have no power and want to feel like they aren't at the bottom of the heap so they slap everyone else around because they were slapped around.

All I hear is you saying what you think an old soul or a young one is, which is just your opinion, but you're stating it like it's absolute proven fact - "No, this is wrong, because I said so."

Why should I believe you? What is your proof? Why should I take anything you say as the absolute and final truth?

I absolutely think there are rebellious people that can be old souls - old enough to have seen how screwed up life can be, and want to change things and protest them. And I absolutely think bullied people can be young souls, who then lash out and become predators because they were preyed upon and want to see someone else suffer because they did.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm just put off by the way you state stuff, because you can't say for sure more than anyone else can, what is totally true on any of this. It's all just opinions and guesswork with a lot of personal bias rolled in - on your end too.

Jesus was a rebel. He went up to a church and knocked over a table because he thought monetary exchanges and politics had no place in religion or spirituality. He spoke up against a lot of things, and was eventually killed for that, and he went along with it because he felt he was doing it for humanity. Are you really going to tell me that someone who was a rebel because they wanted to help other people, and willingly submitted to beatings, rape and being asphixiated to death on behalf of all of us, is a young soul because he questioned authority?

I guess what I'm saying is, "Who died and made you the all-knowing final authority on everything?"

I think you just have your own personal views on what you think should be, and then you pass that off as fact and spiritual truth and try to tell people that if they believe something different, then they're wrong.

I'm not buying it.

posted January 05, 2014 08:40 PM              

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Rosalind, with all due respect... I think you're full of sh*t. You state things like you know them for a fact. How do you know we cant have a cycle of 400 reincarnations. Are you God?

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Omg, you said exactly what I was thinking and didn't have to spend even half the keystrokes doing it.

I think this is just cases of someone who was probably bullied and wants to think that being called names by other five year olds on the playground somehow makes her special than the next person.

It's hogwash. I've seen plenty of people who weren't ever bullied, do really amazing, selfless things for people - the idea of associating these random, silly things with who is or isn't a young soul to me says more about the psychological landscape of the one playing guru in here than it really does about the actual subject.

posted January 05, 2014 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
Omg, you said exactly what I was thinking and didn't have to spend even half the keystrokes doing it.

I think this is just cases of someone who was probably bullied and wants to think that being called names by other five year olds on the playground somehow makes her special than the next person.

It's hogwash. I've seen plenty of people who weren't ever bullied, do really amazing, selfless things for people - the idea of associating these random, silly things with who is or isn't a young soul to me says more about the psychological landscape of the one playing guru in here than it really does about the actual subject.

And I'll say this also - it's common for people, once they get into the spiritual, occult, and metaphysical, to hit a state where their ego kicks in and they think they know everything and have all the answers and can dole out judgments and that they're God. I think there's even a name for this state in Buddhist or Hindu thought but the term is escaping me right now.

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posted January 05, 2014 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I'm sorry if I made any misunderstanding for people or anybody. I was the one that started the thread. I hope you can understand my explanation below, and not take this thread out of context afterwards.

I've seen people I 'believe' to be old souls act like jerks. Being an old soul doesn't mean you are without flaws or incapable doing wrongs.

And vice versa, I've seen young souls, or who 'I' believe subjectively that are young souls, be the most caring and warm people I've ever met. They are wise and smart, and can be also.

We have free will, nobody can force you or anybody else to be a bad or a good person!

-Peace-

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posted January 06, 2014 03:07 PM            

Any Ascendant can be an old soul.

One point we haven't touched on is that souls can regress, you can be high on the food chain and then live a life of utter disgust and take 5 steps back and have to relearn the lessons that you made a mess of. This is not a refresher course, this is an actual start to finish process where your life lessons will be tested and if you don't pass you repeat.

posted January 06, 2014 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
This is such a pointless thread

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