posted January 05, 2014 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:

I think it would create an ego-driven (sun) need to be an authority figure (Saturn). All the sense of self and sense of pride is derived from thinking they call the shots, and they're driven to want to call the shots. Think of the bossy jerky boss who is that way cuz it makes him feel important to be able to order people around. That's Saturn-Sun.

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posted January 06, 2014 12:18 AM            

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I think it would create an ego-driven (sun) need to be an authority figure (Saturn). All the sense of self and sense of pride is derived from thinking they call the shots, and they're driven to want to call the shots. Think of the bossy jerky boss who is that way cuz it makes him feel important to be able to order people around. That's Saturn-Sun.

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I don't either Firemoon

I have saturn-mercury btw.

Thinking you call the shots and being ABLE to call the shots are 2 different things.

posted January 06, 2014 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Well, it feels like I don't have a self. I guess more directly stated, it feels like the self is so amorphous, that it is impossible to extend my finger and say, "this right here is me". I know I have a body and a mind and so on, but those don't specifically feel like "me", they feel like tools, "me" uses. I have likened the feeling to being an ocean within which everything in my environment swims. The feelings people feel, their thoughts, all swim around inside my sphere of perception like fish, causing little wakes of perceivable turbulence.

I ultimately struggle identifying boundaries, when a person tells me a story, my perception of that story is not bound in the moment, I begin to see the people they are talking about, their reasons for acting the way they did, etc.. Much of what I perceive comes to me in patterns of feelings or images, so when it comes to identifying my self or others, I see it more as exploring very complex universes of pattern and color. This is why Astrology is an interest of mine, because it focuses specifically on patterns and how they evolve/transform as they progress. Fortunately I have other aspects that tie a chain to my ankle and fasten me to the ground. These aspects tend to express to others that I am not a complete space cadet.

I'm like a blind person with a well honed sense of smell. I rarely can identify what is standing right in front of me, but I can describe it perfectly, talk about the products it used that morning, describe its lunch before our meeting, and identify it has a baby at home, because that is what I smell on them. I get by pretty well without people figuring out that I am using a totally different set of senses to participate in reality. Often what tips people off is my social awkwardness.

Boundaries being an issue, I have difficulty sensing at what level people are comfortable interacting with me. Having Nep/Sun trine Mars and ASC is VERY helpful when dealing with people I don't know well, but when people are close, I have to be very careful and observant. For example, on new years eve I had spent the night at a friend's house. When she returned from a quick visit to work, the whole house filled with the feeling of her ex-boyfriend, who she broke up with before thanksgiving. I was in the bathtub, but when I was done I asked her if everything was okay, because the whole house got thick when she walked in. She just played it off and said everything was fine. When I was younger I would have pressed the matter, but because I have known her for almost 20 years, I knew just to drop the topic. Three days later she called me to discuss her ex who had texted her right before she got home from work new years day.

After dealing with me for a while, people tend to notice my genuine struggle (and desire) to comprehend the socially accepted world with the same gravity others tend to experience in it. I'm not saying the world doesn't need to be perceived as important, only that some people are more equipped to give that value to the world. I appear to be more equipped to see through that value and experience what swims beyond it. oooOOoo =)

Having known and loved a Pisces dearly, I can say it feels a bit like being a Pisces, but sort of like a Fire Pisces (which is just a quieter Sagittarius with more depth lol) So I guess a combust Neptune feels like being a grilled fish.

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On a different note,...neptune is one tough planet to deal with isn't it?

I was thinking about it, how would a combust neptune feels...am trying to understand how combust planets show their purpose and energy ,if you don't feel the sense of self, it would mean that the Sun has totally absorbed the qualities of neptune in the sense that you can lose yourself completely for the 'sake of humanity', that you can cry for days because of the pain and hurt that a close friend you know is going through for instance, you can be totally selfless and therefore get easily taken advantage of.

posted January 06, 2014 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I have Sun conjunct Saturn and they trine mars.

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posted January 06, 2014 01:40 AM            

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LOL

On a different note,...neptune is one tough planet to deal with isn't it?

I was thinking about it, how would a combust neptune feels...am trying to understand how combust planets show their purpose and energy ,if you don't feel the sense of self, it would mean that the Sun has totally absorbed the qualities of neptune in the sense that you can lose yourself completely for the 'sake of humanity', that you can cry for days because of the pain and hurt that a close friend you know is going through for instance, you can be totally selfless and therefore get easily taken advantage of.

So I would say that being knowledgeable in astrology is akin to a blessing that makes you want to better understand this challenging part.

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Your insight is a very good one. The closer the conjunction the more synthesized all the planets involved become. It is as if the planets involved come together to make a new planet. With "Suneptune" it's very easy to become overwhelmed by both the ugly and beautiful in the world. I have found myself overwhelmed by the feelings of total strangers who I have never met before, but I blame that more on the fact that Sag Neptune's ruler in my chart is Jupiter in Cancer (we are relatively squishy).

Fortunately the strong earth and Pluto influences in my chart tend to make me less easy to take advantage of. For some reason I have this image of "being taken advantage of" to involve a level of naiveté. I am generally aware of the slick ways people tend to take advantage when they think nobody is looking, but intentionally overlook them. In the grand scheme of things, what matters is what people bring to the table, not the amount of food they eat. As long as I care for my own nourishment, and don't have to fight just to stay at the table, I try to understand and accept the positive and negative in others.

Perhaps this is a specifically Neptune trait. The evolved Pisces people I know tend to have a similar view when it comes to other people. What many see as them being walked all over, they tend to see as an occupational hazard of being a complex being among other beings who do not yet understand that they too are complex. If some people were aware of how much a Pisces actually sees but doesn't mention, they would feel embarrassed and ashamed. With the sensitivity of Neptune eventually comes acclimatization to (upstream fish) or escape from (downstream fish) pain. Those who acclimate tend to weigh the value of life not based on what you endure, but what happens as a result of the endurance.

posted January 06, 2014 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I don't either Firemoon

I have saturn-mercury btw.

Thinking you call the shots and being ABLE to call the shots are 2 different things.

Sun-Saturn wants to be able to take on a responsibility/task/chore that have been given to them without reproach.It is not a question of calling the shots as much as it is a question of doing a job perfectly. For that reason Sun-Saturn people are likely to be well viewed by the authority for the quality of work they can deliver and since they are always pushing themselves to their limits, to want to achieve greater things,may be for the reputation,honour and pride, but more for themselves.

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Interesting, so do you have Mercury conjunct Saturn? I'm always curious about mercury aspects since mine is basically unaspected so I don't fully understand them..

posted January 06, 2014 07:15 PM            

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Is your Saturn combust?

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posted January 06, 2014 07:17 PM            

Sun sextile Pluto( 3-4 degrees)

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posted January 06, 2014 08:50 PM            

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I have sun square Jupiter, about 10 minutes orb. It's supposed to be a positive aspect, but it also means I overdo everything. I could have just put one thumbsup next to Xiiro's name but chose three. Sun square Jupiter.

I have sun quincunx Mars, about 10 minutes orb. Sometimes I am very active, sometimes very lazy. Sometimes aggressive...mmm, but usually not so much, because of my...

Sun sextile Pisces moon, about 2 degrees. I experience this as a kind of confidence, and like an emotional navigation system, where I move along by how I sense things. I try and move upwards (Capricorn) but it's by fits and starts.

Sun semisextile Neptune, 3 degrees. For extra dreaminess, looseness, coming uncoupled from myself.

posted January 07, 2014 12:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Your insight is a very good one. The closer the conjunction the more synthesized all the planets involved become. It is as if the planets involved come together to make a new planet. With "Suneptune" it's very easy to become overwhelmed by both the ugly and beautiful in the world. I have found myself overwhelmed by the feelings of total strangers who I have never met before, but I blame that more on the fact that Sag Neptune's ruler in my chart is Jupiter in Cancer (we are relatively squishy).

Fortunately the strong earth and Pluto influences in my chart tend to make me less easy to take advantage of. For some reason I have this image of "being taken advantage of" to involve a level of naiveté. I am generally aware of the slick ways people tend to take advantage when they think nobody is looking, but intentionally overlook them. In the grand scheme of things, what matters is what people bring to the table, not the amount of food they eat. As long as I care for my own nourishment, and don't have to fight just to stay at the table, I try to understand and accept the positive and negative in others.

Perhaps this is a specifically Neptune trait. The evolved Pisces people I know tend to have a similar view when it comes to other people. What many see as them being walked all over, they tend to see as an occupational hazard of being a complex being among other beings who do not yet understand that they too are complex. If some people were aware of how much a Pisces actually sees but doesn't mention, they would feel embarrassed and ashamed. With the sensitivity of Neptune eventually comes acclimatization to (upstream fish) or escape from (downstream fish) pain. Those who acclimate tend to weigh the value of life not based on what you endure, but what happens as a result of the endurance.

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I hear you.

I have sag neptune in the 11th house sq mars, trine Sun,Venus,Mercury,and Saturn,semi sq ASC and MC. The dispositor of neptune,Jupiter is in Taurus, sextile Sun,and is in a square sign to where Venus is ( Leo).

posted January 07, 2014 12:04 AM            

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Interesting, so do you have Mercury conjunct Saturn? I'm always curious about mercury aspects since mine is basically unaspected so I don't fully understand them..

Also I agree with your take in Sun-Saturn... I think this aspect forces people one way or another to realize they can't always (or even usually) depend on others for help, or "call the shots" in life unless it's for ourselves only. Everything we earn we have to work for the slow/hard way without cutting corners or being fake otherwise it will just fall apart anyway. Which sucks but that's Saturn, it's about learning to take responsibility and paying off "karmic debts" I suppose...

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Yes Firemoon, I have a few mercury aspects.

I wonder if it shows on LL?

posted January 07, 2014 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Xiiro

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I have sun square Jupiter, about 10 minutes orb. It's supposed to be a positive aspect, but it also means I overdo everything. I could have just put one thumbsup next to Xiiro's name but chose three. Sun square Jupiter.

I have sun quincunx Mars, about 10 minutes orb. Sometimes I am very active, sometimes very lazy. Sometimes aggressive...mmm, but usually not so much, because of my...

Sun sextile Pisces moon, about 2 degrees. I experience this as a kind of confidence, and like an emotional navigation system, where I move along by how I sense things. I try and move upwards (Capricorn) but it's by fits and starts.

Sun semisextile Neptune, 3 degrees. For extra dreaminess, looseness, coming uncoupled from myself.

Thanks for making this thread about "nice" aspects, since I have gotten body slammed just for mentioning my sun square Pluto before. Good thing I don't have to get into that again.

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posted January 07, 2014 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I hear you.

I have sag neptune in the 11th house sq mars, trine Sun,Venus,Mercury,and Saturn,semi sq ASC and MC. The dispositor of neptune,Jupiter is in Taurus, sextile Sun,and is in a square sign to where Venus is ( Leo).

For me the problem is not being taken advantage of, because I can ''see'' the motives of the person from afar ( I guess I have to thanks Pluto for that insight)I can extricate and detach myself from circumstances that I know I will be taken advantage of. My issue though is I tend to rely a lot on the 'good faith'(if I can call it because I am not having the right words I am looking for atm) of the people I care about. For example if I am involved with someone ( it has also happened with my friends, although not anymore because I know now how things will play out)I tend to give much more in comparison to what I am getting in return believing or worst expecting that the person will ''see'' and will notice the inconsistency and will rectify their behaviour. When this doesn't happen ( of course it's not really a surprise), I feel let down, and really hurt. I've also noticed that I experience intense pain for the most ''simple'' let downs.Anyways, I realised that this way of doing things render me more vulnerable to be taken advantage of and the real problem I face is almost everyone will tell me 'that's not how you should have done things','what makes you think people will feel bad about their behaviour when you are only pampering them more'' OMG! That's a loud wake up call and I am totally floored as to why I haven't thought about it myself,the confusion that follows then can last for weeks or more and when that happens,although I am fully aware of it all, I am nevertheless at lost because then everything becomes blurry. I have attributed it to my Sag Neptune that trine my 7th house stellium AND I think Jupiter that by sign squares my merc-venus conjunction doesn't help me much!So I gotta thank ole saturn that kinda bring back to earth since I have saturn trine neptune too.

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That makes a lot of sense. It must be rough to have Neptune in a social/people-oriented house.

posted January 07, 2014 02:00 AM            

The OP said degree can be up to 17, and in that case I have sun conjunct MC as well but astro.com doesn't agree so my humble saturn-sun says I shouldn't claim I have this aspect.

posted January 07, 2014 06:11 AM            

chiron - come to the conclusion i'll feel emotional pain no matter what occurs in my life. i've fought it so hard but i even feel pain or discord from not feeling it so,..... think i can't heal myself and am supposed to heal others. it's always opening new things to me so i don't mind it on one level. but i do feel raw on top of raw.

sq mars - don't undrstand it. is part of a t-sq. attract threats and am angry. well, this whole t-sq i never know what to do to make things happen. a lot of wasted energy. also think i am not supposed to show myself, be the centre of attention.

posted January 07, 2014 06:40 AM            

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Conjunctions with the Sun can go up to as wide as 17 degrees.

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Lol no, just no. I disagree, there's no way, hahaha.

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Mercury conjunct Sun (combust). I'm pretty self-centered but then again, Mercury is my chart ruler, SN ruler & Moon ruler. And co-rules my 5H.

Pluto would probably be "under the Sun's beams" (9° away from the Sun?). I'm not sure I feel that one. The descriptions are usually super dramatic and I don't think I'm that intense, but whaddo-I-know? Not sure what it's all about and how different that is from Moon/Pluto. **Okay I just went to read that one interpretation and it really fits actually... haha okay, maybe it counts after all.