posted January 29, 2014 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
I still believe Virgo's real ruler is hiding somewhere.. it is a very mysterious, and closed-off sign. The glyph says it all.

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posted January 29, 2014 03:21 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Where the f*** do you get that from? Virgo is a mysterious and closed-off sign? That's not true.

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posted January 29, 2014 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Seriously, please. It's because of Virgo's glyph. It indicates being closed while Scorpio's is open. There is a certain mystery due to this chastity in the archetype. You should read a bit about the mythology and Virgo archetype and you would know why people type what they type about Virgo. It's not to get at you or insult you in any way.

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Actually I think the glyph of virgo is wrong. It should be the arrow instead of sagittarius. The arrow fits much more.
The arrow is precise, though it hurts when it hits.
That's more symbolic of virgos role on this forum.

posted January 29, 2014 07:45 AM            

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I wonder if you will elaborate?

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I suppose I should have said Hathor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcYeP8Kk8k

Also, the Demeter/Persephone Myth has much to do with the whole Cycle of the Seasons, and the Life Force going under only to rise anew from seeming Death.

posted January 29, 2014 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Where the f*** do you get that from? Virgo is a mysterious and closed-off sign? That's not true.

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posted January 29, 2014 03:29 PM            

Geminis get stuck on words (something he/she said or the way he/she said it), Virgos get stuck on details (something he/she did or the way he/she did it). When a Gemini walks in to a room his mind is focused on a idea - when a Virgo walks in to a room his mind is focused on a detail from that room (intuitively). Again, both mental creatures - Geminis work with "words, ideas - conceptual thinking" - while Virgos work with "details, putting things together like puzzles - practical thinkers". A Gemini writer is inclined to invent the the characters and the world they live in, while a Virgo writer - uses his own experience and the real world as inspiration.

Let's take some singer for example like:

Pink (Virgo) - everything she sings about is inspired from her personal experience.

posted January 29, 2014 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Actually I think the glyph of virgo is wrong. It should be the arrow instead of sagittarius. The arrow fits much more.
The arrow is precise, though it hurts when it hits.
That's more symbolic of virgos role on this forum.

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Anyways, I can see your point, but it only means that virgo is more introverted and we already knew that. It doesn't mean that virgo is ALSO mystical and needs a new ruler. It's like coming from A to suddenly E without having the B, C and D.

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posted January 29, 2014 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
Isn't it also strange that it's the only sign who's depiction is a person? There's more to Virgo than that whole ''fussy, annoying, critical'' archetype.

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Well, Virgo resides in the 6'th House - the house o Maturity, where one is suppose to reach maturity. And as a sign - it's depicted as a virgin maiden who reached a mature age - a age where she's capable to face the world as an adult.

posted January 29, 2014 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Well, Virgo resides in the 6'th House - the house o Maturity, where one is suppose to reach maturity. And as a sign - it's depicted as a virgin maiden who reached a mature age - a age where she's capable to face the world as an adult.

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posted January 29, 2014 04:07 PM            

Chiron IS a centaur. Doesn't mean he rules Sagittarius. Because there are many other centaur asteroids.

Seriously, don't even do asteroid astrology if you relate to myths in this way.

posted January 29, 2014 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Pan (Aegipan) IS Capricorn.
Doesn't mean he rules Capricorn.

Chiron IS a centaur. Doesn't mean he rules Sagittarius. Because there are many other centaur asteroids.

Seriously, don't even do asteroid astrology if you relate to myths in this way.

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Why would you put Hades with Virgo?
Or Pan? Virgo has nothing to do with either the Satyr or the underworld.
A Virgin would go with Virgo, or an agricultural goddess of some kind because of the harvest occurring in September and the Harvest moon, for that matter. You don't take everything into account.
A satyr would have some connection to Capricorn, the reason why is obvious.
Just like fish would have a connection to Pisces.
And the story of the lamb with the golden fleece with Aries. You would prefer this myth with another sign when everyone else agrees it belongs to Aries?
Lions with Leo, see?
Am I going to hear a story about a lamb and say, "oh that must be part of the constellation of Leo," even though it is clearly about Aries?
What about the story of Castor and Pollux? Let me guess, you would like to see that attributed to Aquarius, right?

posted January 29, 2014 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

I think it goes much further than that into the realms of guarding what's sacred, like in the Vesta myth. The sacred fire or spirit.

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Taking in consideration the mythology behind Vesta - that fits more Cancer than Virgo. As for Vestal Virgins - those have nothing in common with the defining traits of a Virgo - quite the opposite of that.

posted January 29, 2014 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Taking in consideration the mythology behind Vesta - that fits more Cancer than Virgo. As for Vestal Virgins - those have nothing in common with the defining traits of a Virgo - quite the opposite of that.

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Oh but they do have everything in common with Virgo. They were priestesses to Vesta, they guarded the sacred flame of the hearth which was the spirit of Rome. Don't you see the clear correlation between the Vestals and the Virgin Mary? It's soooo obvious. Don't let the fact the fire was also in the hearth fool you. The Vestals kept the flame going for the Roman STATE.
They had to be chaste and if one wasn't and it was discovered, she was buried alive as punishment.
One Vestal, Rhea Silvia, was said to be the mother of Romulus and Remus and she, supposedly, underwent this particular punishment for giving birth to them. These are the twins who founded Rome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhea_Silvia

You could say the Vestals are forerunners to various orders of nuns inhabiting convents.

posted January 29, 2014 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

They have strong association based on what they are. Why is that so difficult for you?

Why would you put Hades with Virgo?
Or Pan? Virgo has nothing to do with either the Satyr or the underworld.
A Virgin would go with Virgo, or an agricultural goddess of some kind because of the harvest occurring in September and the Harvest moon, for that matter. You don't take everything into account.
A satyr would have some connection to Capricorn, the reason why is obvious.
Just like fish would have a connection to Pisces.
And the story of the lamb with the golden fleece with Aries. You would prefer this myth with another sign when everyone else agrees it belongs to Aries?
Lions with Leo, see?
Am I going to hear a story about a lamb and say, "oh that must be part of the constellation of Leo," even though it is clearly about Aries?
What about the story of Castor and Pollux? Let me guess, you would like to see that attributed to Aquarius, right?

You have a topsy-turvy view of astrological correlations.

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You're hopeless. I did not decide Persephone's story to be related to Virgo. It is the associated myth.

It is fine if you want to ignore it since you really suck at understanding myths.

It is a completely different story if you butcher the story and try to associate Persephone to Taurus just because she's holding f***ing wheat and Scorpio just because she walks in the underworld.

Do you even know how many of the mythical characters go to the underworld. Are you going to associate all of them with Scorpio?

As for the rest of your "delusional talk", don't put words I didn't say in my mouth. You can't even get a hold of yourself and stick to even talking to Virgo. You just have to drag everything in.

Capricorn is not just goat. It is half-goat, half fish.

posted January 29, 2014 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:

You're hopeless. I did not decide Persephone's story to be related to Virgo. It is the associated myth.

It is fine if you want to ignore it since you really suck at understanding myths.

It is a completely different story if you butcher the story and try to associate Persephone to Taurus just because she's holding f***ing wheat and Scorpio just because she walks in the underworld.

Do you even know how many of the mythical characters go to the underworld. Are you going to associate all of them with Scorpio?

As for the rest of your "delusional talk", don't put words I didn't say in my mouth. You can't even get a hold of yourself and stick to even talking to Virgo. You just have to drag everything in.

Capricorn is not just goat. It is half-goat, half fish.

There are other satyrs. They don't RULE capricorn.

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posted January 30, 2014 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Just for me, maybe? I have 3h Sagittarius Mars, that's what you are sensing. It's not entirely Virgo. Don't worry, I have complained about getting stuck with that 3h Sag Mars, too

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Aha!

But I'm serious though… also because mercury/mars aspect makes the mind clear like an arrow. But it's still mercury who does the intellectual part, mars the action…

Mercury is all the intellectual thoughts, and if they are put together like puzzles and could be directed at the exact problem and then shoot right at it, the problem would be solved…and that is what virgo is all about! That is why the arrow fits…

Sagittarius symbol should change then…I don't know into what, but I've always wondered why it was an archer, ever since I got into astrology… I mean, "sags are blunt and do what they want" is partly true, but that they always aim and shoot? What is it they want to hit?

posted January 30, 2014 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
Isn't it also strange that it's the only sign who's depiction is a person? There's more to Virgo than that whole ''fussy, annoying, critical'' archetype.

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I'm not sure what you mean here…
sag is an archer, (also a person), gemini is TWO persons and aquarius is a water bearer… so clearly, virgo is not the only one.

posted January 30, 2014 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Aha!

But I'm serious though… also because mercury/mars aspect makes the mind clear like an arrow. But it's still mercury who does the intellectual part, mars the action…

Mercury is all the intellectual thoughts, and if they are put together like puzzles and could be directed at the exact problem and then shoot right at it, the problem would be solved…and that is what virgo is all about! That is why the arrow fits…

Sagittarius symbol should change then…I don't know into what, but I've always wondered why it was an archer, ever since I got into astrology… I mean, "sags are blunt and do what they want" is partly true, but that they always aim and shoot? What is it they want to hit?

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I have some things in common with the Sagittarius archetype in my natal chart.

- I have a conjunction of Mercury and Jupiter on my ascendant with Jupiter conjunct less than one degree.

- Both Mercury and Jupiter are in aspect to the chart ruler, Venus.

- Mars in Sagittarius, like I already mentioned in quintile aspect to Mercury/Jupiter and the ascendant.

- Part of Fortune in the ninth house.

- Mercury in Sagittarius duad of Libra.

You might be sensing all these influences in my posts because sun in Virgo isn't altogether like Sagittarius although both are mutable.

Arrow fits me to a tee though

posted January 30, 2014 05:15 AM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
Isn't it also strange that it's the only sign who's depiction is a person? There's more to Virgo than that whole ''fussy, annoying, critical'' archetype.

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wow, that is so interesting. altho would gemini not count or am i missing something obvious <newbie>

am intrigued by the idea virgo has some mystery to it. never thought of that before but doesn't seem wrong either.

posted January 30, 2014 05:17 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
wow, that is so interesting. altho would gemini not count or am i missing something obvious <newbie>

am intrigued by the idea virgo has some mystery to it. never thought of that before but doesn't seem wrong either.

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