posted January 29, 2014 04:32 AM            

"If you have to think about being cool, or if you care about being cool, you aren't cool."

He was not "popular" as a young person so he just went for what he wanted to do. Since his late teens he has been one of the most POPULAR people in the world. At 70 he is still considered extremely cool by many, is cherished by friends and familiy, and people flock to see him work.

As an OLDER person, I sense, than most of you, I expect you will find when you get old that it is not necessarily miserable and friendless! However if someone is OLD and still worrying about what other people think of them, or that other people should think LIKE them, they will likely be unpopular and miserable too.

Popularity sounds so much like high school to me...or the music charts...or politicians...who wants that kind of approval?

@ ID - snap on the sun/pluto, though as an adolescent I did care about acceptance, it was short lived lol!

It's a long time since I have run into anyone who wrote off old people as miserable space wasters, Barbie, thanks for the headsup!

posted January 29, 2014 04:51 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

What indicates unpopularity in a natal chart...look for complex patterns of squares and oppositions involving the moon, chart ruler, and the condition of the MC ruler.

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i am & have been unpopular. would it be because of moon opp jupiter, chart ruler opp mercury and saturn conj mc? also lots square & opp to the asc & mc. even in my wider family i've been disliked a lot in a way no one else has been.

posted January 29, 2014 10:50 AM            

I'm reluctant to say its certain aspects that causes unpopularity because it turns into something one cannot change. I think its more how one was brought up and what people skills someone develops.

posted January 29, 2014 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
A very popular now OLD man (er,hem, Barbiegirl) has been saying for many years now

"If you have to think about being cool, or if you care about being cool, you aren't cool."

He was not "popular" as a young person so he just went for what he wanted to do. Since his late teens he has been one of the most POPULAR people in the world. At 70 he is still considered extremely cool by many, is cherished by friends and familiy, and people flock to see him work.

As an OLDER person, I sense, than most of you, I expect you will find when you get old that it is not necessarily miserable and friendless! However if someone is OLD and still worrying about what other people think of them, or that other people should think LIKE them, they will likely be unpopular and miserable too.

Popularity sounds so much like high school to me...or the music charts...or politicians...who wants that kind of approval?

@ ID - snap on the sun/pluto, though as an adolescent I did care about acceptance, it was short lived lol!

It's a long time since I have run into anyone who wrote off old people as miserable space wasters, Barbie, thanks for the headsup!

Some people run in packs, some do not. I guess "unpopular" is people who shouldn't but try to?

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I agree, eventually you just don't care what other people think because really, who are they anyway and how will their approval or non approval affect your life in the long run?
I wasn't allowed to be friends with kids in school and at the time it hurt...I could tell kids wanted to like me and would try to get to know me, but I had to keep my distance or else I would get into trouble!
Eventually they stopped trying and just accepted I was to quiet. I really wanted friends but I had to behave so I wouldn't end up making my parents and the church angry with me.

What I learned is it does hurt being alone in school and feeling you never fit in anywhere...until you stop and think, why do these peoples opinions matter to me?
Will they be in my life when grown up? Will they be in my life in few years or even a few months?

Probably not, maybe the months....but most people don't hang around to long!
Most important person to make happy is you!
Do your own thing...find your path that makes you happy and don't care if anyone is else is on it with you!
Your the only person you need to worry about....and when you can do that you will be happy no matter if your alone or have a friend.

Usually people gravitate towards people who appear to be going somewhere special....they are not attracted to people who are looking to find people to make them happy....that comes across as needy instead of interesting and unique.

I had people trying to be my friend not because I was cool but because I wasn't looking to them for companionship, they thought I must have something special and wanted to know what it was....eventually they gave up but still what I learned is, if you reject someone before they reject you they become fascinated by you and that's how you become popular!
People want what they can't have, deny them your friendship and they will want it more. Give it out easily and they get bored and take you for granted.
It's hard to keep it up that level of non-interest in people forever.
I was required to do this because I was taught the people that didn't belong to my church were bad and from "satans" world! I was kind of afriad of them but at the same time I really wanted their friendship...but I ignored that and stayed away from everyone.

Eventually everyone wants to join the group instead of be the mysterious stranger or stuck up person always denying people your attention, it's tough to be the non-conformist, but to be populatar you can't give in!
Ignoring them and denying them is the only way to keep people intersted in you(unless your genuinely trying to make a heartful connection as a real friend) instead of you having to be the one running after them
This isn't advice on how to find a true friend,it's popularity we are talking about and face it, most popular people do not make good close genuine friends.

posted January 29, 2014 06:05 PM            

Unpopularity is caused by the ruler of the 11th house being in detriment and/or combust- (assuming the lord is not placed in the 12th house)

Moon in Jyestha nakshatra also makes one prone to unpopularity ESPECIALLY if the native is female. One of the traits of this nakshatra is that the native is often accused of things that are not true and false rumors are spread about them. a famous example of this is Amanda Knox- has her moon in Jyestha.
She was branded a trollop and a murderer in Italy. Eventually however 50% of Italy came to believe in her innocence as truth of the lies the prosecution told finally came to light. Not all jyesthas are that lucky.

Ketu in the 6th can also cause unpopularity as it tends to make friends turn into enemies for no apparent reason. People with this placement often have to endure being stabbed in the back by their friends.

Ruler of the 12th situated in the 11th house will cause the enemies of the native to be in their circle of friends. So they will have false friends in their circle who will attempt to bring them down behind their backs.

These astrological traits in a chart are cause for unpopularity.

posted January 29, 2014 06:18 PM            

:edit:
I have another example actually - a Leo girl who I also know through Uni. She is not quite as popular as the other three people I mentioned, but she is still pretty popular. Like the Virgo girl - she is extremely open, warm and friendly with every single person. Quite apart from this - I have lost count of the amount of events, parties, dinners and other things she has organised for everyone (by herself). It is a serious drag to organise things, to pick the right venue, a fun/interesting theme, affordable prices for everyone you invite, good music etc and basically to make sure everyone shows up & has a good time. The fact that she chose to do this is much appreciated. I certainly couldn't have done it! I would find it beyond stressful and annoying, and I simply don't have the time. :end of edit:

posted January 29, 2014 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
AG - Of course bad things happen to good people.. But being popular is not about being "good". It's about what you actually do for others - how *much* you do for them on a daily basis and how you make them feel.
So it is about your *utility* in their lives.

If your post was in reference to anything I said--- I was not suggesting that being morally sound or "good" is significant to being popular.

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posted January 29, 2014 07:46 PM            

Popularity comes from going with the grain, fitting in, being as I was saying average looking with a slant towards good looking - but not good looking enough to be scary or intimidating - and most of all - constant networking and going out, interacting, talking, meeting new ppl, adding them all on FB & other social media (keeping in touch), doing things both with them and for them consistently (as opposed to forgetting all about them and focusing on yourself)

And re: playing hard to get with friends --- this might earn you no popularity whatsoever. This is an extremely tricky thing to do.
I'll explain why.
If you are already perceived as particularly good looking or rich or having other enviable traits - and you play hard to get... every second person and their dog will hate you. .. with.a.passion.

If on the other hand you are just an average person who has no visible enviable traits and who decides to play hard to get -- then the question is: why should they bother?
The reason playing hot/cold works in romantic situations with some people --- is only because things start out being "hot" ... so initially the individual in question makes you feel a million dollars and then they pull away. It's like walking a tight rope. If you are simply an average Joe who avoids people and is a snob - they will easily avoid you right back.
First they have to feel like they have something to gain or get from *you* (so it's still about your utility) ...and once they feel that way --- if you detach and pull away, they might indeed be more interested.

posted January 29, 2014 08:54 PM            

Cap rising are not popular. If you have many T squares and squares to your ascendant, you are not gonna be popular. Mars on the 1st hard aspect to a planet makes you overly aggressive. Mars in 10th hard aspect is the same way.

Weak venus, very afflicted neptune, pluto hard aspects also make your daily interaction with people not very pleasant.

posted January 29, 2014 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
There was a brief phrase when saturn was in my 4th and 5th and I was not popular but I just immigrated as well. I have saturn in 10th. But for most of my life I have been popular. So no, I don't think 10th house saturn is the culprit.

Cap rising are not popular. If you have many T squares and squares to your ascendant, you are not gonna be popular. Mars on the 1st hard aspect to a planet makes you overly aggressive. Mars in 10th hard aspect is the same way.

Weak venus, very afflicted neptune, pluto hard aspects also make your daily interaction with people not very pleasant.

I'm assuming however that everyone at some point in their lives is unpopular. That's just life....

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posted January 30, 2014 12:34 AM            

I was never popular in high school, and as Odette mentioned, I don't really go out of my way to be popular as an adult.

In high school and junior high, I tried like most people, but I was too "different" so that didn't work. So I just went with being different. I think a lot of people were scared of me, and some people just thought I was a weirdo.

As an adult, I find people I vibe with, and those are the people I hang out with. But I don't go to much effort to hang out with people, because it's not a priority. If it happens, it happens.

It's really all about finding people who are "your kind of crazy", imo.

Some people are too dysfunctional for me, and some people are too "perfect". I find people who are a happy medium, and we do well together. I'm popular with people who are on the same wavelength that I'm on.

posted January 30, 2014 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
About non-conformist and/or socially snobbish people being popular. I have never encountered this either in my life experience.
If you do not conform - then you sometimes end up having a "following" of people who are likewise not conforming --- so you can be a sort of "leader" for your non-conformist ideals, but I don't associate this with standard "popularity".

Popularity comes from going with the grain, fitting in, being as I was saying average looking with a slant towards good looking - but not good looking enough to be scary or intimidating - and most of all - constant networking and going out, interacting, talking, meeting new ppl, adding them all on FB & other social media (keeping in touch), doing things both with them and for them consistently (as opposed to forgetting all about them and focusing on yourself)

And re: playing hard to get with friends --- this might earn you no popularity whatsoever. This is an extremely tricky thing to do.
I'll explain why.
If you are already perceived as particularly good looking or rich or having other enviable traits - and you play hard to get... every second person and their dog will hate you. .. with.a.passion.

If on the other hand you are just an average person who has no visible enviable traits and who decides to play hard to get -- then the question is: why should they bother?
The reason playing hot/cold works in romantic situations with some people --- is only because things start out being "hot" ... so initially the individual in question makes you feel a million dollars and then they pull away. It's like walking a tight rope. If you are simply an average Joe who avoids people and is a snob - they will easily avoid you right back.
First they have to feel like they have something to gain or get from *you* (so it's still about your utility) ...and once they feel that way --- if you detach and pull away, they might indeed be more interested.

However - this hard to get thing (while it may work to some extent) is too complicated and mostly unnecessary. And generally it still does not attract very large groups of people -- as does a talent (eg composing/playing music they enjoy which would give you a very high utility level) -- Other typical example are - the party planner/organiser, like the Leo girl I mentioned.. Let's call this "Gatsby-style utility"..... or the inspirational speaker who gives others guidance... Let's call this "Deepak Chopra-style utility"... But there are many other examples..

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