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next to neptune
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posted January 29, 2014 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or what is going on?
People everywhere on this forum is trying to degrade virgo to being ruled by some unimportant asteroid no one cares for, or they try to make some kind of competition between virgo and gemini, just so we all know how cool gemini is and how un-cool virgo is.
And everywhere in topics I see comments about how boring, uninteresting and annoying virgos are.

This is not even the first time I make this kind of topic myself. I'm a virgo sun, and I feel a bit loyal to my sun-sign, cause I really think people treat us unfairly in here. It's like people get so absorbed by astrology therms, that they forget to observe people from the real world. Cause have you seen the majority of virgos in the real world? They are not annoying, boring or uninteresting.
Maybe we get nervous, but that is because we think so much about everything. But I have never in my life met a mean virgo. And I don't say this just because I am a virgo myself.

So I don't get why you all have to talk so badly about a sign that has never done anything to you.
Please stop it, this forum used to be nice.

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posted January 29, 2014 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh come on. Can't a Virgo be honest about being a Virgo? I am a Virgo sun myself, I do not sanitize my sun sign. It is what it is.
You must have skipped over my posts where I mention the time of year when the sun's in Virgo is the most important of all to anyone who likes to eat and that includes everyone.

Besides, I like being a black sheep.

I have made posts about how Virgo is the only sign capable of being an actual goddess.

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next to neptune
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posted January 29, 2014 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're actually a virgo yourself, why do you need to pick so much on your own sign then?
If you feel some of those qualities you try to fit on all virgos (boring, uninteresting, annoying, nervous, etc) it must be something else in your chart. It's too narrow-minded to blame your sun.

I'm just so tired to hear the same things over and over and over and over again. It creates a big black cloud over my head and I begin to feel stupid because I was born a virgo sun the 16th september, and I don't want to feel like that.
I know so many cool and positive virgos.

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posted January 29, 2014 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
If you're actually a virgo yourself, why do you need to pick so much on your own sign then?
If you feel some of those qualities you try to fit on all virgos (boring, uninteresting, annoying, nervous, etc) it must be something else in your chart. It's too narrow-minded to blame your sun.

I'm just so tired to hear the same things over and over and over and over again. It creates a big black cloud over my head and I begin to feel stupid because I was born a virgo sun the 16th september, and I don't want to feel like that.
I know so many cool and positive virgos.


So ignore it. My best guy friend was born Sep 16th. My mother too. I was born Sep.18.

If someone has something negative to say about Virgos, let them. They are the ones missing out, Virgos are giving, kind, and loyal. Let them miss out on us . Their loss.

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Panthera Leo
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posted January 29, 2014 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panthera Leo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't worry about it Next To Neptune Virgos are fabulous.I agree that it is awful that people suggest it is ruled by useless asteroids when the rest get ruled by planets and minor planets named after Gods and Venus apart from the luminaries.I disagree with people who say it should be ruled by Chiron. I am mean haven't we already already suffered enough .
I think part of the reason Gemini gets away with murder is because they are such brilliant actors and double agents.Gemini really is a mixed bag I know Gemini's I get on with like my mother or Ami Anne for example.Although I do know some that are wolves in sheep's clothing and weren't just fluid,neutral,ambiguous or misunderstood like some would claim themselves to be.

My Moon is in Virgo

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted January 29, 2014 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saying my sign is the only sign capable of being a goddess and that the time the sun is in Virgo is the most important of the year is not picking on it.
Any astrology book will tell you the entire story, it's not just me. Read about Mercury's influence and what it rules. The nervous system is susceptible in Virgo and Gemini.
The books will also tell you Virgo can be critical of others and nervous.
So if the books can say it and I agree, why is it so wrong to talk about it in an astrology forum?
If you want to focus on the positive parts, then post about only them, whatever you think they are.
The air signs are said to be more outgoing and social, it's common knowledge. Earth and water are quieter. Why is it this is so terrible? Quietness isn't a bad quality in my book. Noisy people irritate me.
I am not sure what you expect me to say... Virgo suns are all talented geniuses? One of my all time faves is Nick Cave and he's a Virgo sun. I adore him. There. Happy now?

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posted January 29, 2014 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Panthera Leo:
Virgo's

Not to be annoying, uninteresting,boring, or uncool, but it's Virgos, without the apostrophe, since we are not denoting a single Virgo being in possession of something.

i.e.
"Whose grammar dictionary is that?"
"It's the Virgo's."
"Oh Bens?"
"Yeah."

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posted January 29, 2014 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunatic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon in virgo and all i can say is that I love virgos! I can find them super hot and attractive! Especially when they fall in my 7th house and conjunct my moon..

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Panthera Leo
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posted January 29, 2014 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panthera Leo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Swift Freeze

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Panthera Leo
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posted January 29, 2014 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panthera Leo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 29, 2014 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Saying my sign is the only sign capable of being a goddess and that the time the sun is in Virgo is the most important of the year is not picking on it.
Any astrology book will tell you the entire story, it's not just me. Read about Mercury's influence and what it rules. The nervous system is susceptible in Virgo and Gemini.
The books will also tell you Virgo can be critical of others and nervous.
So if the books can say it and I agree, why is it so wrong to talk about it in an astrology forum?
If you want to focus on the positive parts, then post about only them, whatever you think they are.
The air signs are said to be more outgoing and social, it's common knowledge. Earth and water are quieter. Why is it this is so terrible? Quietness isn't a bad quality in my book. Noisy people irritate me.
I am not sure what you expect me to say... Virgo suns are all talented geniuses? One of my all time faves is Nick Cave and he's a Virgo sun. I adore him. There. Happy now?

Yes, I know virgos can be critical… not just of others, but mostly on things which didn't work. Virgos like to solve problems, not just picking at people without a reason.

And all the "who is most sociable"-discussion. I don't really get it. Well if you can imagine a chart that is 100% virgo and a chart that is 100% libra/gemini/aquarius, maybe the air chart would be more sociable? But I'm not even sure, since I think "isolation" from others has to do with the 12t house and uranian energy in the chart. I think virgo suns can be just as social as anyone else, it's not really about the sun anyways.

But you are right about that air signs are more outgoing than virgo. But still, that doesn't really have anything to do with being social or interesting. That just means that virgos are fine with what they have, or they are more silent and shy. It doesn't mean they don't wan't company or something like that?

I just want virgo to get a fair treatment, and I want to stop bad or wrong rumors about virgo, that has begun to spread in this forum.

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filleaspirant
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posted January 29, 2014 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the overall issue Next To Neptune has is that people keep harping on the negative side of Virgo (which we all have), when other signs get only referenced on its positive expression.

I mean, I've seen people saying Libra, Pisces and Cancer are the best signs. Libra can be wishy washy and come off one dimensional. Pisces can be inconsistent and have identity crisis of what is it they really stand for. Cancer holds grudges and can be really cold, on top of being emotionally dependent. Aries can be too agressive and disregard other people's feelings. Taurus can stand their ground even when faced with evidence they're wrong or they did wrong. Gemini can be too fickle and dismissive of people once they've got what they want from them. Leo can be self-absorbed to the point of selfishness. Virgo can be over critical of others and so stressed they make themselves and others sick. Scorpio can be temperamental and hurt people if they THINK they've been slighted (even when that only happens in their mind). Sagittarius can be inconsequential of people's feelings and tramp all over them. Capricorn can be so invested in their own ambitions they might use people as steps to their top. Aquarius can be superficial and emotionally detached to the point of uncaring about others as individuals.

Every sign has a dark expression, it just seems easier for people to see only Virgo's. *shrug*

PS: I'm a Virgo Sun too.

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posted January 29, 2014 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by filleaspirant:
I think the overall issue Next To Neptune has is that people keep harping on the negative side of Virgo (which we all have), when other signs get only referenced on its positive expression.


Yeah this is EXACTLY the expression I was looking for!

Every signs has it positive and negative sides, of course!

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arcturiann
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posted January 29, 2014 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see these negative traits of virgo as sort of like a necessary evil most times. The reason virgos are nitpicky and focus on a lot of negative stuff is because they want to IMPROVE and fix things, they want to make things better, more efficient, virgos are the ones that keep the machine running, without virgos there is no one to clean up after leo's mess, or refine and implement gemini's scattered ideas. This is why virgos do their best when they are at service, because virgos are very much needed, I find that their negative expressions more so come out when they don't feel needed or put to good use.

Sometimes I see them as like the whistleblowers of the zodiac calling out others on their **** . Some of my favorite virgo traits are their unpretenciousness and how down to earth they can be. These are also the BAMFs that will always be prepared when you need something, people you can rely on, that person with the swiss army knife that has a dozen tools in it or the person who can actually fix that broken zipper for you, like little Macgyvers which make them appealing in a more pragmatic and intelligent way, which can be more of an acquired zodiacal taste for more refined palates

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posted January 29, 2014 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Yes, I know virgos can be critical… not just of others, but mostly on things which didn't work. Virgos like to solve problems, not just picking at people without a reason.

And all the "who is most sociable"-discussion. I don't really get it. Well if you can imagine a chart that is 100% virgo and a chart that is 100% libra/gemini/aquarius, maybe the air chart would be more sociable? But I'm not even sure, since I think "isolation" from others has to do with the 12t house and uranian energy in the chart. I think virgo suns can be just as social as anyone else, it's not really about the sun anyways.

But you are right about that air signs are more outgoing than virgo. But still, that doesn't really have anything to do with being social or interesting. That just means that virgos are fine with what they have, or they are more silent and shy. It doesn't mean they don't wan't company or something like that?

I just want virgo to get a fair treatment, and I want to stop bad or wrong rumors about virgo, that has begun to spread in this forum.



There's no bad rumors though. Sun signs are not all the same. We each have our own attributes.
If you look at the topics started by fire or air signs you will notice the difference between how they socialize and how we do and they just have the knack down a bit better. It's their presentation.(also those with Venus Libra or Taurus who can hold their own with fire and air suns) We do a pretty good job too but earth and water will typically say and post less, and with less frequency. Maybe they are busy with other things, too?
Why must it be taken negatively? Next To Neptune, it seems like you are a bit sensitive to these descriptions. I personally don't like to be thought of as someone who criticizes and hurts people's feelings a lot but I don't deny I am a Virgo sun, I can slip into that and have in the past. I don't acknowledge this about myself to hurt other Virgo suns because if I did, it would be ironic.
And as for the asteroid rulerships I am not trying to take Mercury from Virgo, just talking possible co-rulers and which myth best represents Virgos. As you can see, practically everyone has a different opinion on it, including you but I am not upset by yours even though it's not mine. Live and let live.

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posted January 29, 2014 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo is certainly not the only sign that gets picked on and has generalizations thrown out all the time.

If I hear one more time how blunt and insensitive Sags are I'm going to scream.

What about poor Scorpio who is always cast as the bad "guy" manipulating stalker?

Anyway, everyone knows Cancer is the worst sun sign! :P

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posted January 29, 2014 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redshift     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know how the OP feels. I made a similar post a long while ago about people always giving scorpio women a bad rap. Always saying we are villainous, sec mad, vengeful psychos. I was feeling down reading that everywhere as you feel down about negative Virgo stuff. I also have a Virgo moon and feel it's the most elegant, helpful and refined parts of my personality. Hard to win over though. Which I think is true of Virgos in general as they are cautious and don't spread themselves around easily like some fire and air signs do. Maybe that's why people discuss the critical aspects of Virgo? They may feel shut out by them. I personally am very attracted to Virgos of both sexes as friends and people to admire. There is just something dignified about Virgo suns and risings. It's true though, that it's probably best not take forum opinions too much to heart when they are speaking in general terms.

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posted January 29, 2014 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read negative things about all the signs and have probably posted something negative about every one of them because life has some negativity in it. There are good things, of course, but you have to come to terms with the bad because this is how we grow, not by sweeping it all under the rug but by confronting the dark side.

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posted January 29, 2014 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fauxcoat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think Virgo is the black sheep. They may feel that way, but all Virgos I know really try to fit in.

Aquarius could be seen as the black sheep due to Uranus, but I don't find Aquas all that odd/different to be honest.

To me, Scorpios are the black sheep. I think they live their lives feeling as if they have something to prove. They are ruthless and don't care what others think as long as they get what they want in the end which can be good or bad. This causes them to either stand out or be vilified at some point in their lives. Scorpio is the most searched astrology sign. They are the most charismatic and this causes others to notice them more often than not and their behavior is on display quite often - so good or bad they will be noticed (maybe this is why Scorpios are so secretive). I know more than one Scorp who is the black sheep in their family. Scorpios however are charming and usually smooth over problems eventually.

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posted January 29, 2014 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer Virgo and probably Cap get the most hate
Gemini aqua and Aries are neutral
Libra sag scorpioand leo are usually well liked/popular

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posted January 29, 2014 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neptune:
Or what is going on?
People everywhere on this forum is trying to degrade virgo to being ruled by some unimportant asteroid no one cares for, or they try to make some kind of competition between virgo and gemini, just so we all know how cool gemini is and how un-cool virgo is.
And everywhere in topics I see comments about how boring, uninteresting and annoying virgos are.

--LOL, actually, I thought Cancer and Gemini were the black sheep on here. You should see the comments about cancers.

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posted January 29, 2014 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kerosene:
Cancer Virgo and probably Cap get the most hate

--Oh please, Cap's aren't hated on here. The threads I read rave about the sign. I'm just waiting for people to say I'm being too sensitive about complaining about the treatment of Cancer's on here. :P

Real scenerio on here:

1)Someone makes an unnecessary general comment about Cancer sun.

2) I comment how it wasn't necessary
3) I'm told I'm being too sensitive
4) I view it as not being able to stand up for my sign.:P

Good times good times...

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posted January 29, 2014 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the reason why this forum is so unbalanced is because StarlightSmileSupreme feels the need to shame virgo in every thread.

If anything's good in her, she attributes it to the Libra in her. If anything's bad, it's the Virgo in her. I've never seen anyone deny their Sun sign in such manner.

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posted January 29, 2014 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo is the only sign I get excited to meet, once I find out their Sun sign.

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posted January 29, 2014 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by next to neptune:
If you're actually a virgo yourself, why do you need to pick so much on your own sign then?
If you feel some of those qualities you try to fit on all virgos (boring, uninteresting, annoying, nervous, etc) it must be something else in your chart. It's too narrow-minded to blame your sun.

I'm just so tired to hear the same things over and over and over and over again. It creates a big black cloud over my head and I begin to feel stupid because I was born a virgo sun the 16th september, and I don't want to feel like that.
I know so many cool and positive virgos.


Haha, if you were born on the 17th, we would of had the same birthday

Not sure about year, though.

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