posted January 31, 2014 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
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posted January 31, 2014 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
concur....

she is def. not innocent.

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posted January 31, 2014 05:52 PM            

Lets keep in mind that she lived with Kercher, so of course her DNA and her foot prints are likely to be at the crime scene. In Italy a media campaign was launched against her portraying her as some kind of evil seductress, when really she might have been just a bit of a silly young girl at the time. The police locked her in a room for about three days and integrated her (and hit her) till she finally broke, and gave a false statement.

Meanwhile, Rudy Guede has been quietly convicted of the killing and sent to prison. Forensic evidence pointed to Rudy Guede, an Ivory Coast native raised in Perugia, as the perpetrator. In October 2008 Guede was found guilty of having sexually assaulted and murdered Kercher, he exhausted the appeals process and is currently in prison serving a 16 year sentence. Nobody pays much attention to him.

From what I’ve managed to garner from the documentaries and articles, Guede broke into the house, assaulted and killed Kercher, and then took off. Amanda and her boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito arrived back at the flat after spending the night together at his place, which eventually lead to the discovery of the Kerchers body. Images of Knox and Sollecito kissing and comforting each other at the scene of the discovery of the body became public creating a Media sensation focusing on the two of them (especially American Amanda). Eventually leading to the bizarre presumption that Knox, Sollecito, and Guede, all participated in a perverse threesome while murdering Kercher as part of some devilish ritual? There is no evidence to indicate that Guede even knew Knox and Sollecito. Crazy! Why would they suddenly decide to have a Satanic threesome together. It makes no sense. There has been a lot of hype and exaggeration in this case.

This gives an pretty good account of what went down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher

posted January 31, 2014 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
She is 100% innocent. This is not an assumption. It is fact. Every legal professional whether they be from Italy OR the UK or America that has ever looked at this case and has NOT had a financial or political stake in it agrees she is innocent. What the Italian government did to this poor girl is a travesty. If she had not been an american female she would never have seen jail.

The real murderer was caught ages ago. His name is Rudy and he had already had a criminal record before the murder- his DNA was confirmed all over the crime scene (unlike Amanda and her boyfriend who had ZeRo DNA confirmed). He ran from Italy after the crime, but was caught by police. He admitted that Amanda had nothing to do with the crime UNTIL italian police offered him time off of jail if he said that Amanda was involved. So once that deal went through of coarse this murderer suddenly had the revelation that Amanda and her boyfriend were by his side the whole time. The Italian government is aware that she and her ex italian boyfriend are innocent. They just don't care. You can just imagine how many unlucky innocent people are jailed there as we speak.

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posted January 31, 2014 07:02 PM            

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Er, why do you say Italy is "special"?[/B]

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Because they have their own interesting way of doing things. I'll just say "Berlusconi" and I think that sums it up!

posted January 31, 2014 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
What I don't understand is everyone in her family, who have known her most of her life, if not entirely, believe she is innocent and yet you, who have never even met her face to face believe she is guilty based on a vague feeling you get when looking at a photograph attached to a story presented by the biased media. It's ironic.

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We are talking about feelings here, not facts.
Let us have our feelings, dammit.

posted January 31, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
If Amanda is back home, what's really the issue here? Isn't there a law or a case study that prevents extradiction of nationals? My country will never extradict a national, nevermind political pressure, because it's against a national's constitutional and fundamental right and that's something that isn't bent around. Anyhow, the higher Courts should care little for public opinion and so they'll both be acquitted once it's show how little correlaction there is between authorship and materiality to Amanda and Rafaele.

I continue to find people's comments on another country's legal system to be insulting, considering their own is happy to aprehend and throw in jail SUSPECTS of terrorism, without due process of law. In clear violation of basic human rights established in the Bill of Rights in 1791. I guess you can say America has its own interisting ways of doing things?

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posted January 31, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
We are talking about feelings here, not facts.
Let us have our feelings, dammit.

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posted January 31, 2014 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
I thought we were talking about a murder trial and the possibility of her having committed it or not? Where do feelings fit in that?

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It fits in everything but the court of law. This forum is not the court. Duh. We can speculate all we want.

posted January 31, 2014 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You have your opinions on our legal system but that doesn't mean how the Italian legal system has behaved in this case is beyond reproach. One is not related to the other. You keep bringing up something that's another topic entirely.

As for Rudy Guede, evidence at the crime scene suggests at least one other person was involved but nobody has proven who they are.

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I keep bringing it up because, unbeknownst or not, those who kept bringing up double jeopardy and how the Italian courts aren't observing it ARE talking about a very serious violation of human right. I take any accusation like that to heart, because human rights are not some silly thing that can only be referenced when it suits us.

posted January 31, 2014 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
It fits in everything but the court of law. This forum is not the court. Duh. We can speculate all we want.

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posted January 31, 2014 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
I keep bringing it up because, unbeknownst or not, those who kept bringing up double jeopardy and how the Italian courts aren't observing it ARE talking about a very serious violation of human right. I take any accusation like that to heart, because human rights are not some silly thing that can only be referenced when it suits us.

If you want to speculate of the facts and how evidence was handled and the innocent of party and advocate for their acquital, that's fine by me. But there's no need to diss another's procedural law.

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posted January 31, 2014 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
We all have the right to criticize anything we don't agree with. I just don't see the connection between what you are talking about and Amanda Knox and this topic is about her trial and appeals.

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posted January 31, 2014 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
It was in consonance with your affirmation that in America people are innocent until proven guilty. I was simply pointing out a case where that is not the norm. It was an on point reply to a comment you yourself made.

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The executive's military powers have been used to justify holding enemy combatants as prisoners of war, unlawful combatants, and Civilian Internees; the latter two practices have been controversial, especially with regard to the indefinite detention implied by uncertainty as to when the "War on Terror" might be declared to have ended. Administrative detention, a term applied to many of these categories, is also used to imprison illegal immigrants.[citation needed]

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posted January 31, 2014 08:06 PM            

The real murderer was caught ages ago. His name is Rudy and he already had a criminal record before the murder- his DNA was confirmed all over the crime scene (unlike Amanda and her boyfriend who had ZeRo DNA confirmed). He ran from Italy after the crime, but was caught by police. Even he said that Amanda had nothing to do with the crime UNTIL italian police offered him time off of jail if he agreed to say that Amanda was involved. So once that deal went through of coarse this murderer and career criminal suddenly had the revelation that Amanda and her boyfriend were by his side the whole time he killed Meredith. The Italian government is aware that she and her ex italian boyfriend are innocent. They just don't care. They're more interested in saving political face than in justice for that poor girl who was murdered.

Having said all this- Astrologically this was bound to happen to Amanda Knox. Her chart makes that clear. I have to use the Vedic system here so apologies to those not familiar with it.

1) Amanda has her moon is in Jyestha. Moon in Jyestha ESPECIALLY IF THE NATIVE IS FEMALE makes them vulnerable to false rumors being spread about them.

2) Amanda's chart ruler is Venus which rules the 6th house of false allegations. Plus she has ketu in Virgo which also denotes false allegations. These two things by themselves wouldn't be such a big deal since Venus isn't entirely bad for her chart, but when combine this venus with her Jyestha moon what you have here is someone who's definitely going to suffer false allegations or rumors.

3) Amanda has the ruler of her 12th house (The house in charge of foreign lands) DEBILITATED. Living in a foreign land or even investing in foreign land = bad idea for Amanda.

4) Amanda has the ruler of the 8th (jupiter) in the 12th house. The 8th house rules tragic events/happenings. So put the 8th lord of tragic events in the 12th house of foreign lands and what do you get? A native who suffers tragic events when in a foreign land.
(side note: Usually having the ruler of the 8th dissolved in the 12th house is a good thing, but not in Amanda's case because remember, her 12th house is suffering under debilitation. Therefore her 12th house does NOT dissolve the effects of the tragic effects of the 8th lord.)

posted January 31, 2014 08:09 PM            

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[QUOTE]The executive's military powers have been used to justify holding enemy combatants as prisoners of war, unlawful combatants, and Civilian Internees; the latter two practices have been controversial, especially with regard to the indefinite detention implied by uncertainty as to when the "War on Terror" might be declared to have ended. Administrative detention, a term applied to many of these categories, is also used to imprison illegal immigrants.[citation needed]

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What is terror? What is terrorism? These two words have such an open meaning that little condones, in my humble opinion, imprisoning hundreds of people based on ethnicity, religion or connection.

posted February 01, 2014 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
What I don't understand is everyone in her family, who have known her most of her life, if not entirely, believe she is innocent and yet you, who have never even met her face to face believe she is guilty based on a vague feeling you get when looking at a photograph attached to a story presented by the biased media. It's ironic.

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hahahaha....

a lot of relatives swear for the innocence of their own...
so what her family thinks is irrelevant...

some of us actually have reasons, that have little to do with a photograph...
but, it is obvious that this thread has become a podium for emotionality, straying from its original intent.

what i do find ironic is how ridiculous the italian legal system is portrayed in regards to this case when the american legal system has a lot of explanation to do about quite a number of cases and trials...
to me, it is the pot calling the kettle black.

now, it might be true, one thing doesnt have to do with the other but....
there is no reason for ad hominem attacks against a foreign country, esp. when the person might have never visited/lived there....
i cringe at the number of times when in this forum...members, instead of arguing the facts and the process....put down the 'foreign country' or make very disparaging assumptions because of where the country is located e.g. in the african continent
and, it is a fact that americans dont travel much and are more likely to live in a bubble compared to western europeans...
let us be mindful that there are plenty of foreigners in lindaland.

posted February 01, 2014 02:18 PM            

This is my favorite kind of chart, it's easiest to read:
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cioofileTyDKXT-u1374101751/astro_2atw_01_amanda_knox.696 00.957.gif

And then she has Neptune issues going on, those oppositions to her sun and Venus, for one. Actually, it's Mercury and Venus but her sun is conjunct Mercury so it's like the conjunction is afflicted by Neptune. Neptune can cause so much confusion and distortion. It's no wonder she is plagued with inaccuracies and people doing a **** poor job! Remember, oppositions can also indicate what is happening around you, not just that you are deceptive yourself. It can go either way. She could be the victim of a witch hunt with afflicted Neptune.

posted February 01, 2014 02:26 PM            

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hahahaha....

a lot of relatives swear for the innocence of their own...
so what her family thinks is irrelevant...

some of us actually have reasons, that have little to do with a photograph...
but, it is obvious that this thread has become a podium for emotionality, straying from its original intent.

what i do find ironic is how ridiculous the italian legal system is portrayed in regards to this case when the american legal system has a lot of explanation to do about quite a number of cases and trials...
to me, it is the pot calling the kettle black.

now, it might be true, one thing doesnt have to do with the other but....
there is no reason for ad hominem attacks against a foreign country, esp. when the person might have never visited/lived there....
i cringe at the number of times when in this forum...members, instead of arguing the facts and the process....put down the 'foreign country' or make very disparaging assumptions because of where the country is located e.g. in the african continent
and, it is a fact that americans dont travel much and are more likely to live in a bubble compared to western europeans...
let us be mindful that there are plenty of foreigners in lindaland.

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Amen. Do you have Libra somewhere in your personal planets or good aspects with Venus? This was very well said.

Well, as far as Amanda is concerned, she has Sun in-conjunct Saturn in her natal chart and Saturn conjunct natal Moon.

I've often found that Saturn aspecting personal luminaries actually make people less sympathetic of the individual.

It's as if the public feels that the person "should have known better" , "they should have acted more responsibly" or " what were they thinking?" etc.

Saturn aspecting the Moon and Sun natally suggests a cosmic responsibility to conduct yourself responsibly and associate with the right people.Always.

If you are not discerning within this regards, Saturn will punish you. Even if you are innocent, there may be delays or extensions to your hearings etc. You may have your reputation permanently tarnished.

Now, interestingly, she is enjoying a testing Saturn transit aspecting her natal Sun and widely aspecting her natal Mars.

The Saturn transit to Natal mars is especially telling as ,to me, it suggests that her "Spirit"(Mars)is being tested(Saturn).

It's as if her personal projection is restricted(Mars square Saturn)and she is forced to submit to the will of the authorities(Saturn).

Retrograde Jupiter conjunct her Mercury and Sun can help "ease" the Saturn aspects.

Perhaps, if she speaks out on the events, she may get a sympathetic ear? But with Saturn transiting, she must be careful not to come across as being "victimized".