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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 01, 2014 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I am pretty sure there are no jury trials in Italy, just judges on committees that hold your life in their hands.

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posted February 01, 2014 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:
eeeeeeeeeeee

Why did you delete your post, it was good

Sigh, you gave a lot of valuable info folks might not know.

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posted February 01, 2014 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gemstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having followed this case closely since way back when the story first broke, I 100 % believe Knox and Sollecito to be guilty. It's true neither got a fair trial the first time around but that doesn't change the fact that Amanda's behavior was bizarre, and also that she kept changing her version of events; which at one point led to an innocent mans life almost being ruined when she attempted to frame him (which I feel says a lot about her character). I'm not sure about the details of her chart (I remember she has a Sagittarius moon and 7th house though, which is maybe where the wanderlust and foreign boyfriend link originates), and obviously I don't know her personally, but to me she comes across as very self-aware and manipulative. There are too many things that just don't add up in this whole story, and I don't think that anybody - except for the people present that night - will ever know what really happened.

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posted February 04, 2014 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i couldn't tell how i felt about it. but, my views have shifted quite a lot after reading the article someone posted here. for example, that when they were pictured kissing - her and sollicito .. she had been upset and he was comforting her. and that she hadn't been doing cart-wheels as reported but did do the splits - just the break down of that from a less objective pov made me think one strand of us doesn't shutdown just because another does.

some mention also that she didn't used to interpret social skills well and she has mercury sq pluto? i have the opposition and have always been accused of things i haven't done. also, probably act suspiciously because of inappropriate social skills. so i think that could be part of it.

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posted July 14, 2015 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I continue to find people's comments on another country's legal system to be insulting, considering their own is happy to aprehend and throw in jail SUSPECTS of terrorism, without due process of law. In clear violation of basic human rights established in the Bill of Rights in 1791. I guess you can say America has its own interisting ways of doing things?[/B][/QUOTE]

A bill of rights, sometimes called a declaration of rights or a charter of rights, is a list of the most important rights to the CITIZENS of a country.

CITIZENS does not equal declared enemy combatants of another country.

Have a nice day.

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posted July 14, 2015 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to her chart, she didn't do it.

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posted July 14, 2015 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She probably did it.

On this board the trend among Cancer killers is to slit the throat. They love leaving their personal mark. They always make/take things personal.

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posted July 15, 2015 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swanlake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Seimei:

I continue to find people's comments on another country's legal system to be insulting, considering their own is happy to aprehend and throw in jail SUSPECTS of terrorism, without due process of law. In clear violation of basic human rights established in the Bill of Rights in 1791. I guess you can say America has its own interisting ways of doing things?


A bill of rights, sometimes called a declaration of rights or a charter of rights, is a list of the most important rights to the CITIZENS of a country.

CITIZENS does not equal declared enemy combatants of another country.

Have a nice day.

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I TOTALLY AGREE. USA - NO example of "Justice", "Freedom" etc. Only hippocrisy.
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AND re this Case : FAR TOOOOO many people go ONLY by Amanda Knox pretty face. and she's American

VERY FEW people actually examine in depth all the shockingly obvious discrepancies in her testimonies..(devious-not confused)
She's guilty.

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posted July 15, 2015 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My intuition mostly tells me she's guilty. I really don't like the way she left Raphael Sollecito to twist in the wind when she could have helped him with no cost to herself.

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posted July 15, 2015 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
Flame me all you want but I took one look at her and my whole gut said "guilty". Not that it matters...just want to stir the pot

same here.. followed the case, but not because of the evidence, but she just look guilty to me...

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posted July 15, 2015 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Again. It's not double jeopardy if the first trial was nullified/invalidated (as the Americans like to call it). Please, you have that mechanism in your own judicial system... why are you beating up so much Italy's?

because she thinks she knows Italy and its culture...and believe that America is an example to follow in justice

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posted July 15, 2015 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
A murder case is much more than a single evidence that could be contaminated. There are probably tons of other proof collected (e-mail, phone transcripts, people's testemony, etc) that contributed for the guilty sentence.

Anyhow, if you've got a good counselor, he'll argue that DNA can be left at any time, prior or after the crime has been comitted and it stands for nothing else than the presence of the person in the crime scene (which can even be explained by her finding the body [I think this was the case in here, wasn't it?]). Unlike America's system, where the jury convicts based on their conviction, Italy's system is based in a Code where it specify that you can only convict when the conduct falls under the crime's abstract norm. It's the same in my country.

Circustancial cases are taken to court every day. If the defense lawyer wasn't able to argue and give a plausible explaination for DNA presence other than "it might have been contaminated", then she had a poor choice of lawyer.

I have no opinion whether they're both guilty or not, because the case hasn't reached the last instance and can still be reversed by appeal, AND I haven't studied the evidence and transcripts. I'm a lawyer, I know better than to pass judgement like that. I just find it reckless and a bit insulting that people are bashing another country's legal system without studying its laws and procedures first.


dont worry, the judgement comes from someones who most likely has not left her country ad never studied the culture and regulations of other countries..

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posted July 15, 2015 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
What I don't understand is everyone in her family, who have known her most of her life, if not entirely, believe she is innocent and yet you, who have never even met her face to face believe she is guilty based on a vague feeling you get when looking at a photograph attached to a story presented by the biased media. It's ironic.

it is intuition... i have seen her in the tv many times and the vibe she gives are evil.. that is all.. if she is innocent or not, i cannot tell, but she is not a good girl for sure. i never get wrong with my intuitions.. NEVER

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posted July 15, 2015 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
If Amanda is back home, what's really the issue here? Isn't there a law or a case study that prevents extradiction of nationals? My country will never extradict a national, nevermind political pressure, because it's against a national's constitutional and fundamental right and that's something that isn't bent around. Anyhow, the higher Courts should care little for public opinion and so they'll both be acquitted once it's show how little correlaction there is between authorship and materiality to Amanda and Rafaele.

I continue to find people's comments on another country's legal system to be insulting, considering their own is happy to aprehend and throw in jail SUSPECTS of terrorism, without due process of law. In clear violation of basic human rights established in the Bill of Rights in 1791. I guess you can say America has its own interisting ways of doing things?


DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ITALY AND AMERICA

italians: very aware and sometimes PROUD of their own faults. to the point of having someone like Berlusconi

Americans: they really believe their system is superior and needs to be spread accross the world (dont let me get into the super expensive and super mediocre health care system)...self awareness is not high... interesting.. they had monika levinsky

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posted July 15, 2015 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
We all have the right to criticize anything we don't agree with. I just don't see the connection between what you are talking about and Amanda Knox and this topic is about her trial and appeals.

the connection is.. one person say. it is double jeopardy.. and she clarify, it is not. the person says (based on lack of law knowledge) it is the special legal system of italy.. in US until proven guilty, the person is innocent, and the reply.. hey, but what about guantanamo.. that was the connection.. a person critic italian system without knowledge and the other clarifying.. it is very clear to me...

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posted July 15, 2015 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
hikoro,
Knox's third house Mars in Leo is quite afflicted so that stands out. This doesn't prove she is the one imo. This could indicate her being around violent men, Guede, for instance, and it's been proven by the Italians through pretty damning evidence he is capable of violence and murder.
The problem with the US system is the same that plagues others, evidence issues. There are some built in safeguards that make sense.

This is my favorite kind of chart, it's easiest to read:
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cioofileTyDKXT-u1374101751/astro_2atw_01_amanda_knox.696 00.957.gif

And then she has Neptune issues going on, those oppositions to her sun and Venus, for one. Actually, it's Mercury and Venus but her sun is conjunct Mercury so it's like the conjunction is afflicted by Neptune. Neptune can cause so much confusion and distortion. It's no wonder she is plagued with inaccuracies and people doing a **** poor job! Remember, oppositions can also indicate what is happening around you, not just that you are deceptive yourself. It can go either way. She could be the victim of a witch hunt with afflicted Neptune.

And as far as the rest of your post, I haven't said one thing about anywhere but the US and Italy and this thread isn't about anywhere but Italy because this is the country that prosecuted and tried Amanda Knox so, of course, the criticism will be aimed at Italy in this particular thread.[b] This thread is not about the US justice system. A few just happened to comment they could not be in double jeopardy in the US, that's all they said about it.
So let's keep things narrowed down and not bring the justice systems of every country on earth in on a topic that's about Italy.[/B]


it is not about italy.. it is about her chart and the potential of her being innocent or guilty.. is there any sing in the chart that indicated either way.. this is an astrology forum.. not a law forum...

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