posted February 03, 2014 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
Wow! What a chart Firemoon!

We have a lot of similarities yet very big differences.

How's the sun to Neptune and Saturn conjunction? And the Chiron wide conjunction to ascendant?

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Thanks! Your chart seems really interesting too! I don't want to take over this thread but I'd be curious to know more...

Sun conjunct saturn and neptune is difficult to balance... Escapism vs responsibility, etc. Not to mention Sag moon is always wanting freedom and adventure while my Cap sun wants stability lol.

Idk what to make of chiron conjunct Asc. I think it intensifies my Cancer rising so people think I'm really emotional, sensitive, etc. I've read after overcoming our own obstacles Chiron conjunct Asc people are then advocates for others who have been treated unfairly, or can become healers in some way.. Wounds bring wisdom and sincerity and all that lol. What is it like for you?

posted February 03, 2014 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
@AlexDern, where do you live exactly? I don't need the city and address, but I'd like to at least know the country you grew up in. I'm curious. Because, honestly, unless you were born in one of the tribes in Asia and Africa that truly adopt matriarchy, you're living in a very patriarchical world where people are slowly coming to accept sexual liberation and experimentation. For those that experiment, women still get a bad rep for either taking the initiative or having and attending to a sexual desire/need.

To be more on topic, Lilith to me is the expression of feminine power. For women, it means being in synch with their more sensual and sexual side, and not being subordinate to a man's whim. For men, it'd speak of how he can get in touch with what he fears in a woman and embracing those qualities by accepting that this woman won't respond to any of his mind games and famous "moves".

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I don't mean to be insulting, but you don't sound like you have world experience or even know much about the history outside the USA. Correct me if I'm wrong please, but that's how it seems to me.

First and foremost, you're basing the conclusion that we live in a matriarchy (as in worldly matriarchy) on your life experiences. Are you old enough to make such a conclusion? I'm pretty young myself, I was born in the late 80's, and there is no way I'll make such a statement on society dynamics simply from my life, 1) because it's been a short life so far and 2) because I don't think I know better than sociologists or anthropologists.

On that note - the Church is matriarchal? Are you for real? You do know that for CENTURIES the Church said Mary Magdalene was a prostitute instead of a disciple of Jesus because the image of a good woman was not that of a woman who was active in the pursuit of her beliefs, right? The image of a good woman, from the before the first Millenium up until mid-XX century was that of a woman who stayed at home and sacrificed all of herself for the greater good of her family. Another example of how the Church isn't matriarchal is the fact that you don't have/see Pristess. It has been discovered that early Christianity had lots of different schools of cathecism. There was a school who followed Mary Magdalene's teachings instead of Saint Peter's. What did the Church do once it reached supreme control over society in the Roman Empire? The Pope and his council determined that all holy texts not according to the books that currently constitute the New Testament should be destroyed and the followers of those "heretic" words be persecuted and executed. Afterwards the Council of Trent, the role of women, in the Bible, was very much minimized to two stereotypes: the mother/wife and the harlot/troublemaker.

Matriarchy isn't about women being in a position of power. Crudely, patriarchy was instituted because men wanted to be sure the child growing in the belly of woman was theirs and the only way they knew how then was by shaming women into keeping their virginity and their marriage vows and not sleeping with anyone other than her man, later called husband. The figure of marriage usually doesn't exist in a matriarchal society because there is simply no issue of being legally bound to someone. In a matriarchy, every woman and every man is free to be with whoever they decide, but men will see any child birthed from a woman in this society as their responsability, not because this child might be theirs but because the child represents the future of the society. It's a whole different mindset, which is why you only see such type of society deep in the wild of Asia and Africa, in the very outskirts of what we know as civilized society. The way occidental society organizes itself couldn't possibly adopt matriarchy so seamlessly as you want to believe it does simply because you've only had female bosses and the women around you seem to be calling all the shots, and the USA might have a female president. Throughout the whole world, women still get paid less than men to do the same work, the ambitious ones get incentivated into not having kids (it might ruin the prospect of a promotion or they even might lose their job) and they feel the frowns when they date around, especially when there's been pressure all her life for her to settle down and start a family.

Seriously, WHERE do you get your information from?!

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posted February 03, 2014 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
I don't mean to be insulting, but you don't sound like you have world experience or even know much about the history outside the USA. Correct me if I'm wrong please, but that's how it seems to me.

First and foremost, you're basing the conclusion that we live in a matriarchy (as in worldly matriarchy) on your life experiences. Are you old enough to make such a conclusion? I'm pretty young myself, I was born in the late 80's, and there is no way I'll make such a statement on society dynamics simply from my life, 1) because it's been a short life so far and 2) because I don't think I know better than sociologists or anthropologists.

On that note - the Church is matriarchal? Are you for real? You do know that for CENTURIES the Church said Mary Magdalene was a prostitute instead of a disciple of Jesus because the image of a good woman was not that of a woman who was active in the pursuit of her beliefs, right? The image of a good woman, from the before the first Millenium up until mid-XX century was that of a woman who stayed at home and sacrificed all of herself for the greater good of her family. Another example of how the Church isn't matriarchal is the fact that you don't have/see Pristess. It has been discovered that early Christianity had lots of different schools of cathecism. There was a school who followed Mary Magdalene's teachings instead of Saint Peter's. What did the Church do once it reached supreme control over society in the Roman Empire? The Pope and his council determined that all holy texts not according to the books that currently constitute the New Testament should be destroyed and the followers of those "heretic" words be persecuted and executed. Afterwards the Council of Trent, the role of women, in the Bible, was very much minimized to two stereotypes: the mother/wife and the harlot/troublemaker.

Matriarchy isn't about women being in a position of power. Crudely, patriarchy was instituted because men wanted to be sure the child growing in the belly of woman was theirs and the only way they knew how then was by shaming women into keeping their virginity and their marriage vows and not sleeping with anyone other than her man, later called husband. The figure of marriage usually doesn't exist in a matriarchal society because there is simply no issue of being legally bound to someone. In a matriarchy, every woman and every man is free to be with whoever they decide, but men will see any child birthed from a woman in this society as their responsability, not because this child might be theirs but because the child represents the future of the society. It's a whole different mindset, which is why you only see such type of society deep in the wild of Asia and Africa, in the very outskirts of what we know as civilized society. The way occidental society organizes itself couldn't possibly adopt matriarchy so seamlessly as you want to believe it does simply because you've only had female bosses and the women around you seem to be calling all the shots, and the USA might have a female president. Throughout the whole world, women still get paid less than men to do the same work, the ambitious ones get incentivated into not having kids (it might ruin the prospect of a promotion or they even might lose their job) and they feel the frowns when they date around, especially when there's been pressure all her life for her to settle down and start a family.

Seriously, WHERE do you get your information from?!

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posted February 03, 2014 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Thanks! Your chart seems really interesting too! I don't want to take over this thread but I'd be curious to know more...

Sun conjunct saturn and neptune is difficult to balance... Escapism vs responsibility, etc. Not to mention Sag moon is always wanting freedom and adventure while my Cap sun wants stability lol.

Idk what to make of chiron conjunct Asc. I think it intensifies my Cancer rising so people think I'm really emotional, sensitive, etc. I've read after overcoming our own obstacles Chiron conjunct Asc people are then advocates for others who have been treated unfairly, or can become healers in some way.. Wounds bring wisdom and sincerity and all that lol. What is it like for you?

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