posted February 03, 2014 02:34 AM            

So if this is correct ^ then it would prevent women from taking up the options to sleep with several men.
You were saying that women are in a privileged position to have these options.
I am saying that - if they are indeed looked down upon for it (i.e. men think they have a cheaper value... and other women 'shame' them - which is something you said yourself)... then they are actually not in a privileged position.

posted February 03, 2014 02:40 AM            

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I've turned down women. Women that are considered pretty attractive. I just don't operate like that though.

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This is another perfectly good point.. and you are not alone on that either.

posted February 03, 2014 02:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
@AG You aren't all men and shouldn't be trying to voice your opinions and call them every other guys' too. It just goes to show that all you care or think about is sex!

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posted February 03, 2014 07:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
@ K

Someone you once loved and trusted took advantage of you. Someone to whom you gave your trust,probably would have given your heart on a plate.

Honestly, am telling you what went through my mind.

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It's not about being rejected.
because I'm okay with someone I like not reciprocating their feelings.

Okay they are not attracted to me like that.
It's not even a big deal because we all get rejected everyday.
I reject people all the time and I don't feel bad about it.

I just don't like when someone is hot and cold every 5 minutes.
I like to know where I stand.
I don't that's really bad thing....
How would you like if you were attracted to someone and they were whispering in your ears being cute and than wandering off trying to charm other people.

I'm not going to allow myself to be charmed by someone I like that.
This person was a cancer with Libra moon and Mars figures..
Nope. sorry.
If I was hardly attracted than maybe I would play along... because my Venus would take over.
I like being affectionate like kissing and cuddling with people I hardly know, there's no sexual tension.
Were just being friendly.

posted February 03, 2014 08:04 PM            

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How would you like if you were attracted to someone and they were whispering in your ears being cute and than wandering off trying to charm other people.

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Oh as I said.. I would have a conversation with them about their behaviour in private... and if they do not want to talk to me in a private setting - then I would say what I have to say publicly in front of others

posted February 03, 2014 08:55 PM            

The need for control goes in regard to oneself (avoiding situations in which one could lose control, like in a sexual context and this goes from the powerful fascination the desired person inflicts on you to, in some cases, frigidity and subconscious refusal to orgasm), the situation one finds him/herself or the other person (like in an S/M context, for example). I am psychologically wired towards survival, so I am mostly interested to have full control over myself and my surrounding. I don't do drugs or drink socially to the point I would lose control over my reasoning, because of that. It puts me at risk and malevolent people would take advantage.

I don't consider myself to be mean. If I must turn someone down, I do it with consideration. I am however suspicious and on the defensive (which sometimes can become the offensive but not often) with people I don't know very well. I indeed do not like to find myself over-lusting for someone, especially if he isn't as serious about it as I am. Why? It puts him in control, and me in a vulnerable position. Not to mention my lustful state is a liability and could easily land me in trouble if I neglect possible warning signs and find myself in a rape attempt - it happens and has happened, to me. Mars/Pluto is a magnet for it, I don't even go out looking attractive if I am by myself.

I don't know what you want to hear from me, Odette. We're just differently wired people. I can't understand submissive women, for example, but hey It's their life, their choices. I probably reject the whole submissive thing because of Mars/Saturn. Anyways, yes it is a difficult aspect. Yes, we sometimes, maybe often, project past hurts and abuses unto new and innocent people (of those crimes). I personally have made efforts to grow from that state. I do care and think about the way my behavior affects people. I wouldn't be insensitive if they told me my attitude is hurtful. I am actually pretty gentle as a person, and even in my sex life, surprisingly.

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posted February 03, 2014 09:42 PM            

If there was an opportunity you don't think I wouldn't have made a move?
No there was no opportunity.
Unless you think publicly asking someone to fool around is normal.
Yeah because I totally want everyone to know.

posted February 03, 2014 09:58 PM            

This kid wanted attention so is flirting and being cute.
So mars in saturn is like well ew stay away from me.
I have no time for you.

I don't feel like giving you attention I actually feel you need to be taken down a few notches.
First of all I hate giving people like that undeserved attention.

I don't compliment people unless I really feel they need it...
Yeah I did compliment at first but than I was like BUT DON'T LET IT GET INTO YOUR HEAD.
of course that did not work.

posted February 03, 2014 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
It's not about being rejected.
because I'm okay with someone I like not reciprocating their feelings.

Okay they are not attracted to me like that.
It's not even a big deal because we all get rejected everyday.
I reject people all the time and I don't feel bad about it.

I just don't like when someone is hot and cold every 5 minutes.
I like to know where I stand.
I don't that's really bad thing....
How would you like if you were attracted to someone and they were whispering in your ears being cute and than wandering off trying to charm other people.

I'm not going to allow myself to be charmed by someone I like that.
This person was a cancer with Libra moon and Mars figures..
Nope. sorry.
If I was hardly attracted than maybe I would play along... because my Venus would take over.
I like being affectionate like kissing and cuddling with people I hardly know, there's no sexual tension.
Were just being friendly.

However if there is sexual tension my mars takes overs and we can't play games anymore.
Honestly it's easy to tell when someone is really attracted to you so if you're not into it than why play along.
A lot of times when I'm socializing I can tell someone I'm friendly with really wants it and if I'm not interested in going that far I keep a cool distance. Not being too touchy or suggestive.
So this is why I'm mean to people sometimes so they can just stay away from me.

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Hmmm

am a little bit confused by your post because I wasn't talking about rejection..it was just something that went through my mind and I actually typed it.

mars-saturn has control issues,frustration issues. Issues that could be very sexual in nature. Limitations that they find imposed on them that create a feeling of inadequacy. What you explained above about someone being hot and cold is actually a good description of the combined energy of mars-saturn because when one will urge the person to act on their impulse ( mostly sexual) the other will urge caution,and restraint. Self imposed martyr for a ''good cause'' that's basically is a switch mechanism that helps the person to 'protect' themselves against potential future hurts that highlights past hurts being very present and alive in their minds. Since Mars is also a very strong planet to reckon with, the impulse to ACT is very strong that the person feels like a time bomb ready to explode,depending on the mars placement in the natal chart,some people feel more in control of their mars energies. Any past experiences that involved dominion of any sort could be physical,sexual,emotional, the person will unconsciously 'take revenge' on innocent 'targets' that most often than not are people they are attracted to..
But the positive side to this aspect is lots of emotional endurance,loads of staying power,this aspect is mostly found in charts of people that have to work REALLY hard in their lives so it helps them to constantly push their limits..

posted February 04, 2014 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Okay this was situation.

This kid wanted attention so is flirting and being cute.
So mars in saturn is like well ew stay away from me.
I have no time for you.

I don't feel like giving you attention I actually feel you need to be taken down a few notches.
First of all I hate giving people like that undeserved attention.

I don't compliment people unless I really feel they need it...
Yeah I did compliment at first but than I was like BUT DON'T LET IT GET INTO YOUR HEAD.
of course that did not work.

Seee this is why i hate being nice to people Im attracted to. They get so confident and start doing laps around the entire place...
Come down to earth a bit.
Esp guys they are the worst..... women are so use to attention it seems but give a guy a bone and he thinks he's t-rex.

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posted February 04, 2014 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Kero, you broke up with the Pisces?

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Oh yeaaaaah.
The universe is like NOPE sorry.
You can't be together.

It's funny because I'm not out of love, it's just one of those situations that are out of my control.
I don't even know what I'm doing.
Im just trying to party every weekend and cuddle with people it's so funny and kind of pathetic.

posted February 04, 2014 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
do you find it difficult to be nice to people you are not romantically attracted to? Like normal friends?

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I'm actually genuinely nice to my friends and people in general.
Not in a fake way though so sometimes I can seem kinda of cold because maybe Im not in a good mood.Im just really honest about my emotions sometimes. Esp with people I like.
When I don't like someone I can be really shady and fake... I usually don't like people who just completely suck.. I can be really dangerous for these people LOL. This is where I bring out my dark side. Or my dark twin?

I'm easy going and most people like me especially at social functions.
Maybe not so much in the day because sometimes I can seem kind of moody lol.
The only time Im not nice is when someone isn't treating me right...
The thing is people are so thing about superficiality.
If someone is being polite but still messing with you it's okay because this person is pleasant.

I just reversed the roles. I like you but your treating me badly so Im going dick vs I don't like you so im to pretend to be your friend.

I seem like HUUUUUGGGE ass online because of saturn conjunct MC.
I'm pretty sure you would love me irl LOL

I think because of satun conjunct MC.
I own the Cold-Icy title. I work it out all the time.
I call myself a ***** all the time LOL
I love it..

posted February 04, 2014 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I'm actually genuinely nice to my friends and people in general.
Not in a fake way though so sometimes I can seem kinda of cold because maybe Im not in a good mood.Im just really honest about my emotions sometimes. Esp with people I like.
When I don't like someone I can be really shady and fake.

I'm easy going and most people like me especially at social functions.
Maybe not so much in the day because sometimes I can seem kind of moody lol.
The only time Im not nice is when someone isn't treating me right...
The thing is people are so thing about superficiality.
If someone is being polite but still messing with you it's okay because this person is pleasant.

I just reversed the roles. I like you but your treating me badly so Im going dick vs I don't like you so im to pretend to be your friend.

I seem like HUUUUUGGGE ass online because of saturn conjunct MC.
I'm pretty sure you would love me irl LOL

I think because of satun conjunct MC.
I own the Cold-Icy title. I work it out all the time.
I call myself a ***** all the time LOL
I love it..

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No you are wrong.

You are one of the few people on LL that I actually appreciate.I don't say things that I don't mean and I mean every single word I say. I think you can be very truthful and honest but sly at the same time, this is not meant to offend, it's just something I detect in you.I have loads of Saturn and pluto and uranus floating around in my chart. Am currently under heavy pluto transits. Things are constantly changing for me, I am getting more in touch with my 8th house stellium and tbh it's been very interesting so far.However, I don't have heavy Mars aspects.I know I rub lots of people on LL the wrong way, and would probably rub them the wrong way if they know me in real life too!

posted February 04, 2014 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Mars/Saturn I think makes one a control freak. Mars/Pluto doesn't help me much either, but yeah I think the malice comes mostly from M/S. I have the opposition to both, Odette, and yes, Aries Mars.

The need for control goes in regard to oneself (avoiding situations in which one could lose control, like in a sexual context and this goes from the powerful fascination the desired person inflicts on you to, in some cases, frigidity and subconscious refusal to orgasm), the situation one finds him/herself or the other person (like in an S/M context, for example). I am psychologically wired towards survival, so I am mostly interested to have full control over myself and my surrounding. I don't do drugs or drink socially to the point I would lose control over my reasoning, because of that. It puts me at risk and malevolent people would take advantage.

I don't consider myself to be mean. If I must turn someone down, I do it with consideration. I am however suspicious and on the defensive (which sometimes can become the offensive but not often) with people I don't know very well. I indeed do not like to find myself over-lusting for someone, especially if he isn't as serious about it as I am. Why? It puts him in control, and me in a vulnerable position. Not to mention my lustful state is a liability and could easily land me in trouble if I neglect possible warning signs and find myself in a rape attempt - it happens and has happened, to me. Mars/Pluto is a magnet for it, I don't even go out looking attractive if I am by myself.

I don't know what you want to hear from me, Odette. We're just differently wired people. I can't understand submissive women, for example, but hey It's their life, their choices. I probably reject the whole submissive thing because of Mars/Saturn. Anyways, yes it is a difficult aspect. Yes, we sometimes, maybe often, project past hurts and abuses unto new and innocent people (of those crimes). I personally have made efforts to grow from that state. I do care and think about the way my behavior affects people. I wouldn't be insensitive if they told me my attitude is hurtful. I am actually pretty gentle as a person, and even in my sex life, surprisingly.

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I bolded that, yeah odette is like most of my friends.. with that mentality.
They think it's weird how thing I am about these things because they just throw themselves at guys or girls...
I can't do that...
Like those people who just stare at you drooling like your a piece of meat...
God I hate when people do that.
Get a grip...

You're like a mature version of myself Hera LOL.
I relate to everything..
I actually love drugs and drinking because it makes me ease up on the control factor...
A lot of times Im like wtf I'm young why do I have so many inhibitions even even on like 8th drink Im still kind of wound up.

posted February 04, 2014 01:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
No you are wrong.

You are one of the few people on LL that I actually appreciate.I don't say things that I don't mean and I mean every single word I say. I think you can be very truthful and honest but sly at the same time, this is not meant to offend, it's just something I detect in you.I have loads of Saturn and pluto and uranus floating around in my chart. Am currently under heavy pluto transits. Things are constantly changing for me, I am getting more in touch with my 8th house stellium and tbh it's been very interesting so far.However, I don't have heavy Mars aspects.I know I rub lots of people on LL the wrong way, and would probably rub them the wrong way if they know me in real life too!

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I like you too because your so honest and I just automatically love knowledgeable people so that helps too.

I remember I didn't like you at first since you called this music video garbage while I thought it was art. LOL but again I like honest people so I couldn't write you off.

I put you and Hera is the category as bad-bitchessss that's the vibe I get and i looooooooove that.

yes I can be really sly and sarcastic at times because I come across people that irk me

What planets do you have in the 8th... OMG actually I think I love 8th housers.
Most of the people I dated have personal planets or stelliums in the 8th house.
They have this macabre like mentality, I sort of love how direct they are...even though it contrasts with my bright-optimistic personality.

I have 8th house ruler conjunct MC
- NN conjunct 8th house cusp
Uranus+Neptune.
I wouldn't mind having more planets in the 8th house!!!

posted February 04, 2014 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Oh yeaaaaah.
The universe is like NOPE sorry.
You can't be together.

It's funny because I'm not out of love, it's just one of those situations that are out of my control.
I don't even know what I'm doing.
Im just trying to party every weekend and cuddle with people it's so funny and kind of pathetic.

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I know this is very random but for some reason you really remind me of Patrick in The Perks of a Wallflower.

But anyways, T.Saturn is conjuncting my mars right now. Does that count?

My friend has this placement and yes, she's also a bit guarded and inhibited. When she likes someone, she all for it at first but when the other party reciprocates, her feelings suddenly poof away and disappear.

posted February 04, 2014 05:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I bolded that, yeah odette is like most of my friends.. with that mentality.
They think it's weird how thing I am about these things because they just throw themselves at guys or girls...
I can't do that...
Like those people who just stare at you drooling like your a piece of meat...
God I hate when people do that.
Get a grip...

You're like a mature version of myself Hera LOL.
I relate to everything..
I actually love drugs and drinking because it makes me ease up on the control factor...
A lot of times Im like wtf I'm young why do I have so many inhibitions even even on like 8th drink Im still kind of wound up.

The good thing about mars-saturn. I have can carry my drink well. LOL
No headaches in the morning either

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I have a drink at dates to ease up too. I also have Cap rising, and Mars-Saturn-Pluto are square it, so it is worse when I interact with a potential partner. Idk, I always explain it (to myself at least) as the aftermath of my abuses. It changes people. I wish I was more trusting and easy going, but I am not. Not until I trust you fully. After that, all my Fire comes out to play, but you have to defeat the ice queen first.

I think I have loosen up a lot with age. I've given some men crap in my youth. But they deserved it, really. I am not mean to people unless they do/say something that I consider a threat or unfair treatment or disrespect. I've learned to communicate my feelings and even allow the other person to witness my err.. lusty state. I still feel a bit ridiculous about it lol but apparently I can use it to my advantage so cool beans in the end.

Idk.. I have always wished for deep intimacy, like really deep. I realized I was being unfair to request complete access when I wasn't as giving. I still put up some resistance but getting there.

posted February 04, 2014 06:09 AM            

Odette, I know this aspect is tough and sensitive but I don't think we're always projecting or imagining things. I know other people might find it difficult understanding where I was coming from, when I acted cold or mean in the past, but I always - always - had a reason and it was something they did or said that I didn't like. I wouldn't get upset if someone would be affectionate towards me, in the right context (I would be suspicious if it happens out of the blue and a stranger does that, wtf move away 30 ft) or if they show me they like me, want me etc. I find that hot, personally. What I mind is flakiness. If I get serious about you and you back out. If you play the I'm-not-so-sure-I-want-you card. Then I'm p!ssed. From my pov, don't send me signals unless you mean business. When I get into Aries Mars mode, it has to happen NOW, tunnel vision, nothing else matters. This is why I mind too much teasing, all that innuendo, it's torture really; it will come a time when I sit you down and say look, it's now or never, stop the silly games. Any sort of game playing or manipulation will trigger a bad reaction from me, when it comes to flirting and especially intimacy. So, maybe he thought you were playing games with him. I know we have self-esteem issues (that's why we cover up with too much pride) and it is hard to believe the desired person desires us back, where's the catch?! There usually was one, in our past. People tricked us, betrayed us, used us, treated us badly. People we trusted, people we liked.

posted February 04, 2014 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I like you too because your so honest and I just automatically love knowledgeable people so that helps too.

I remember I didn't like you at first since you called this music video garbage while I thought it was art. LOL but again I like honest people so I couldn't write you off.

I put you and Hera is the category as bad-bitchessss that's the vibe I get and i looooooooove that.

yes I can be really sly and sarcastic at times because I come across people that irk me

What planets do you have in the 8th... OMG actually I think I love 8th housers.
Most of the people I dated have personal planets or stelliums in the 8th house.
They have this macabre like mentality, I sort of love how direct they are...even though it contrasts with my bright-optimistic personality.

I have 8th house ruler conjunct MC
- NN conjunct 8th house cusp
Uranus+Neptune.
I wouldn't mind having more planets in the 8th house!!!

Oh I have pluto square MC too that probably does not help my online persona

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I'd associate online persona to the 3rd house. The MC conjunct saturn could refer to the father. Pluto square MC - power struggles, power plays,obsessed about your public image,rebuilding your public image from scratch etc.