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Topic: Is this a thing with mars-saturn?
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Hera
Moderator Posts: 8485
From: Jupiter
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 04, 2014 06:21 AM
  
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Oh yeaaaaah.
The universe is like NOPE sorry.
You can't be together.It's funny because I'm not out of love, it's just one of those situations that are out of my control.
I don't even know what I'm doing.
Im just trying to party every weekend and cuddle with people it's so funny and kind of pathetic.
Aww.. I am sorry it didn't work out, Kero. Maybe it will, in the future?
Haha, yeah, you need rebound fast but don't hurt people, karma is a b*tch don't forget. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 8603
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 04, 2014 12:44 PM
Hera hera hera hera heraMarina Diamondis gets us Power and control- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Rp_0hoNTY IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 8603
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 04, 2014 12:49 PM
Rigggggght? LOL
Don't you have mars-PLUTO too?
quote:
Women and men we are the same,
But love will always be a game,
We give and take a little more,
Eternal game of tug and war.Think you’re funny, think you’re smart,
Think you’re gonna break my heart.
Think you’re funny, think you’re smart,
Yeah, you may be good looking,
But you’re not a piece of art. Power and control,
I’m gonna make you fall.
Power and control,
I’m gonna make you fall. We give and take a little more,
‘Cause all my life I’ve been controlled,
You can’t have peace without a war,
Without a war, without a war.
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Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 8603
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 04, 2014 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Basically ... I think relationships (sexual/romantic, long term/short term) are also about being able to respect -others- not only about having "self-respect" (as Kero mentioned in one of his earlier posts).K - you keep placing your ego on a pedestal.Its not that I find this 'weird' - like your friends. I'm just interpreting it as having 'too much pride'.
Maybe I'm not idealistically perfect like you think you are.
I love that that about myself.
If I was really always that nice people would eat me up for breakfast lunch and dinner.
but it's not like I expect the other person to my b*tch or anything.
I'm also attracted to people with who like me are not willing to give up their own personal power. but maybe you are not perfect lol.
I feel you are so bothered because you're probably like one of those people who flutter around doing your thing and experience the occasional person who will not show you positive reinforcement because they are not looking to play games. I have to say that I don't find that to be attractive either. I think there's difference between being friendly and affectionate and just a player... So I have a big ego but you're a tease so I don't see how that makes you better than me on the spectrum of personality traits  IP: Logged |
Hera
Moderator Posts: 8485
From: Jupiter
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 04, 2014 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Hera hera hera hera heraMarina Diamondis gets us Power and control- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Rp_0hoNTY
Hahaha I think a lot of people get us though. Many people play silly romantic games to have the upper hand. The song is kinda catchy though lol. quote:
I'm also attracted to people with who like me are not willing to give up their own personal power.
I like that on an idealistic pov and especially in women. In men, I think submission is pretty damn sexy. haha------------------
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Kerosene
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From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 04, 2014 01:31 PM
I know but you found your boo.
How is that working out?I mean it's totally different because it's love..
so its just on a different wavelengths. Our moon-venus are not touched by pluto-saturn.
wait my moon trines saturn LOL.. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 04, 2014 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Hera:
In men, I think submission is pretty damn sexy. haha
I have BML opp Venus..
Agreeeeeeeeed.
I like dominant women and guys who are bit submissive.
I like how they balance out in a way.
Because guys who are too agressive are not attractive.
but I kinda when guys are still strong because it makes it even more fun to try and dominant them LOL. IP: Logged |
Hera
Moderator Posts: 8485
From: Jupiter
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 04, 2014 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I know but you found your boo.
How is that working out?I mean it's totally different because it's love..
so its just on a different wavelengths. Our moon-venus are not touched by pluto-saturn.
wait my moon trines saturn LOL..
That was actually pretty terrifying lol, letting my guard down. But BB did it hehe. I felt totally safe and comfortable with him, but yeah, some red wine did the trick, we were both so nervous lol. It is working out alright, minus the distance. We're planning another trip, to London, for my bday. So far, so good.
I have Moon sextile Saturn lol. But my Mars is a bit mellowed by Neptune too (trine) so I kinda get Odette's point too. We should try to not hurt people, unless they're real jerks and asking for it, no mercy for those. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 04, 2014 03:42 PM
I didn't say I was better. I said that I thought you had too much pride  IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 04, 2014 04:16 PM
Hi Hera - If someone mistreats you in some way, then of course it's ok to block them out (and you *should* block them out)...and if you think they might become abusive or in some way emotional/physically hurtful - future tense- then it's normal to have your guard up.But my experience with Mars/Saturn and sometimes Mars/Pluto is that they become very defensive or even aggressive purely in virtue of their own feelings - and not anything the other person has done to them. Kero has explained things in great detail now.. but in his initial post he was saying that he *always* or almost always reacts in a defensive way when he is strongly attracted to someone - instead of being more open about it ...or neutral/evasive. I guess what seems strange to me - is to blame other people (I.e those you're attracted to) for the way you feel and react in an aggressive manner.
That other person could simply be minding their own damn business, living their lives - and behaving the way they always behave ... and you could interpret it as a challenge to your ego and jump down their throat.
Kero's OP reminded me of that. K - in your other posts you explained that you react this way because you don't actually 'like' the people you are attracted to... I guess you see them as jerks and then it frustrates you that you are attracted to someone you actually dislike on other levels.
But this ^^ again is your own problem (and it is based on the way you are personally interpreting that individual's personality and the situation you are in). If the other person has not actually done anything to you ... you have no reason to be nasty or aggressive towards them.
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I have Moon sextile Saturn lol. But my Mars is a bit mellowed by Neptune too (trine) so I kinda get Odette's point too. We should try to not hurt people, unless they're real jerks and asking for it, no mercy for those.
I didn't see this earlier ^^ but yes.. that's exactly what I mean! IP: Logged |
Odette
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Registered: May 2012
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posted February 04, 2014 06:29 PM
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I feel you are so bothered because
I'll tell you why I am bothered. This is the best way I can think of explaining it - and I hope it doesn't offend anyone... The main .. I guess... "story of my life" is not really sex-related. Does that make sense? I feel like 80-90% of my life is very 'full' of things the are entirely non-sexual and not really romantic or love-related either (unless we're talking about platonic affection)... These 'things' (that make up my daily life).. are obviously not only positive things but also responsibilities and negative things.
Overall I spend a lot of time working .. maybe more than I should. This is pretty typical of Capricorn influence.. I definitely work more than I play. I'm not sure if this is actually a choice I have made and keep making - or whether it's just my destiny to be the way I am lol I have plans and goals (again not sex or love related) and my goals are so important to me. They are like milestones I want to reach.
Again - this will sound very typically Capricorn of me ---- but to be honest... if I reached my milestones I would feel like 'I can die happy'.. not that I'm dying any time soon.. but it's the principle....
On the other hand, if I didn't achieve the things I've planned I would feel really horrible.. I don't think anything would break my heart so much. Moving on ..... because sex is not very important to me... I see it more like "something you just do to relax --- when you have someone in your life you want to do it with & who feels right for you". So sex - is in my 'relaxation', 'holiday', 'happiness', 'spa', 'resting', 'having fun', 'enjoying oneself' ... box.. in my mind. When a person like me encounters a Mars/Saturn or Mars/Pluto person.. sometimes (not always) it can lead to disappointment on both sides. With my ex - my expectation was after knowing him.. that at this very stressful time in my life - we would be able to happily bonk away and forget the rest of the world exists.
Because that *is* -sex- from my perspective.
If it doesn't feel like a relaxing experience - then I have no reason to be there at all. He was very attracted to me.. He also felt out of control, as you guys mentioned - and he behaved badly due to feeling this way.
Now... I could have been more understanding and not dumped him ... but his issues just seem a bit irrelevant to my life. These issues --- like 'if I open up about how attracted I am.. I will lose control and feel like I've lost my self-respect'... seems entirely out of sync with my view of the world. In my version of things I am stressed and over-worked and if I am sexually attracted - and so are they ... then we should skip the SH*T and simply have fun together.
If I can't just have fun with someone - and they project all their issues my way.. I find that very upsetting.. because I have enough problems as it is. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
Moderator Posts: 4632
From: Saturn
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2014 12:42 AM
^^ I agree.I know someone with mars-saturn and it's been crazy. I abhor playing games. I've never done it, not when I was younger and I won't start now, I find it a total waste of time. What I don't get with the person am specifically talking about here is the irritable,almost cranky behavior towards me when I have done nothing but being honest. I feel that mars/saturn has serious issues with ''how honest are you with me?'' they obsess about it actually which explains their hot and cold attitudes, without thinking about how THEY are coming across to the other person, because obviously THEY know they are being honest so THEY have to know if the OTHER PERSON is being honest to THEM. Again, this is my experience of mars/saturn people I know in real life. IP: Logged |
Hera
Moderator Posts: 8485
From: Jupiter
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 05, 2014 01:53 AM
Odette, did you tell him that? People often forget that they have different romantic styles and priorities and we just assume the other is like us and knows what it's all about. Perhaps he was more serious about you and he sensed he was not a priority for you, in which case I kinda do understand why he would find it upsetting and like he was losing control. I kinda would've been upset too, tbh. And I can also see why the sexual flirting was interpreted as game playing and flakiness. It is a lot about honesty, like Jessica said. So be honest with us from the beginning. Honesty mid-way, after we already developed expectations about you, while still sort of appreciated, it kinda is resented as well. Look, we are people with "baggage", we were not always treated right, as this aspect suggests. A minor thing can be turned into a big thing if you prove to us that we were right not to trust you in the first place because you were only after tricking or betraying us and making us suffer, the same way others did before you. The projection thingie only happens after you gave us reason to put you on the same side as the ones who hurt us. This is why communication is very important. Just tell us from the start how we stand with you, because once we develop some expectations, having those shattered feels like betrayal to us. IP: Logged |
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