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Topic: Is this a thing with mars-saturn?
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Kerosene
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posted February 02, 2014 04:22 PM
  
Being kinda of mean to people you are sexually attracted to when not wanting to lose your inhibitions esp with people you just met. I feel like every time I met someone I would do sooooooo many things too. Instead of being thirsty I'm usually teasing them and extra sassy so they feel uncomfortable getting that close to me.. Idk I wish I was less inhibited just seems like more fun for everyone  IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 02, 2014 05:06 PM
This is one of the reasons why I dumped the Aries Mars guy with his Mars square Saturn.It's not just teasing though.. They also don't know how to "accept" that you want them or enjoy being wanted. They want the other person to tease them as well.
I intentionally didn't tease him nor was I taken aback by his own teasing. I simply continuously and ongoingly projected the exact same loving and sexual vibe his way (completely regardless of his own behaviour).. for about two months--- and he couldn't take it.
I wasn't even as loving as I pretended to be .. but I wanted to see his reaction. His behaviour went from teasing - to "She really likes me. Well this is seriously upsetting"
I felt like he has an inner voice saying "why should/would anyone like me?" - as though there always has to be pay-back & sex is always conditional.. or maybe he just thought he didn't deserve me. I also got the distinct feeling that if I were to be a prostitute and he was paying for sex - it would put his mind at ease and he would feel much more comfortable & less guilty. After I stopped seeing him he became more and more obsessed and insane in his behaviour. I'm not sure if his inability to deal with rejection comes from Moon opp Pluto or Mars/Saturn. My bet was on a Moon/Pluto though. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted February 02, 2014 06:35 PM
Im usually receptive when someone breaks through the barrier. He was one of those people everyone lusts after and absolute enjoyed every second of it acting like a complete **** .I'm not going to sit here lusting after someone like every other desperate person..
Screw them I'm not going to let another person have that power of over me.
That's mars-saturn to me.
honestly I can't relate to your situation because that was a relationship but this was just more of a fling type of thing. When it comes to fling it's like how much of you self respect are you going to give up? Like idk if this kid was not so sensitive and just more bold I'd probably take him somewhere quite because I was really that inhibited.
He just wanted to feel special and I'm not willing to stroke someones ego... like every other person in the room but maybe do other things... that are fun for the both of us.
I honestly hate people who need that to feel satisfied from others, that's so pathetic to me.
I love myself enough not to constantly need another person telling me how special i am.
Im not going to be attracted to someone people they are drooling all over me either... Im not really that much of a narcissist
It's so funny because I could tell he was attracted to me but always mad that i was getting more attention LOL. but I don't even need attention to feel good about myself. I think with mars-saturn it's like do you want to **** me or not because Im not going to waste my time courting a one night stand lol. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 02, 2014 06:48 PM
When I like someone - I am very expressive - I like to display affection and also to feel wanted.
So it's important to me that the other person is likewise honest and expressive.
Love and sex are about sharing and giving - not taking... because it's not "all" about you and how "you" feel. I understand what you are saying Kero but there's too much egomania involved in your words.. and my Mars conj Neptune is not that into egomania. quote:
I'm not going to sit here lusting after someone like every other desperate person..
Screw them I'm not going to let another person have that power of over me.
That's mars-saturn.
... yeah.. ok. I'm not even sure what to say to that.
Hera would probably understand you. She also says this kind of thing. Do you ever think about how you make the other person feel, or do you only think about yourself? I kind of feel upset reading stuff like this to be honest, and I would find it difficult to be with someone who has this mindset. I used to be polite socially.. but to be honest - if a person approached me today and behaved the way you described.. for the reasons you described.. i.e. -- "Instead of being thirsty I'm usually teasing them and extra sassy so they feel uncomfortable getting that close to me.." I wouldn't care if they are a stranger or how awkward, embarrassing or uncomfortable it might be.. I would honest to God.. pull them aside and explain to them why their behaviour is stupid. I would give them a lecture then and there in public and then I would leave them IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted February 02, 2014 06:59 PM
Cool.
You don't need to really say anything at all..
Im just being honest and if it ****** you off than leave Im pretty Im sure this isn't unusual human behavior. I don't need a lecture on how to behave.
Your issues with people are hilarious lmfao.
OMG MY EX WAS MEAN TO ME SO THAT MEANS EVERY SITUATION IS THE SAME LOL. UR AN ASS... THAT'S SO HORRIBLE I WOULD THROW WATER IN YOUR FACE.
ok cool you don't even know the entire situation.It's not like i'm mean to everyone i'm attracted to its just the people that I really should not be attracted too... which is usually most of them time.. Like he was bragging about his foreskin LOL.
IT'S VERSATILE LOL.
I was like really turned on but this guy is such an idiot.
Apart of me is like really embarrassed that im attracted to douche... Saturn is like. Uhm Kero.. REALLY?
BUT REALLY THOUGH?
I guess I can am kinda glad that I was ***** yesterday LOL.
I kinda feel better now lol. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 02, 2014 07:06 PM
...Ok. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 02, 2014 08:55 PM
I have some questions... quote:
I'm not going to sit here lusting after someone like every other desperate person..
Why not? Is lusting after someone very upsetting to you... or is it only upsetting if you don't like certain things about that person? How is "lusting" after someone.. desperate? I don't usually associate being h*rny with feeling desperate.
Then again, I don't personally feel h*rny often. But when I do, I've never felt desperate. I enjoy the feeling of feeling h*rny. quote:
I'm not going to let another person have that power of over me.
This is something I genuinely cannot wrap my head around in Mars/Saturn and also Mars/Pluto people.
I've seen Hera say similar things. How does someone have power over you simply because you think they are attractive and you are h*rny?
I could, theoretically speaking.. feel h*rny all day long and I still wouldn't feel like anyone has any power over me. Also, how does being aggressive towards this person or teasing them - prevent them from having power over you? Because 'teasing' in this context - just seems like you desperately trying to put up a wall - because you are so scared of being under their control.. instead of simply taking a deep breath and realising that 'sexual attraction' does not make you weak.
It's just a feeling. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 02, 2014 08:59 PM
If I am starving and want to have the sushi roll in front of me.. Does that mean the sushi roll has power over me? Hunger is an instinct... and sushi is just food. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 02, 2014 09:06 PM
What bothered me about this aspect (Mars square Saturn) is that - he felt out of control and like I had power over him... but this was in HIS HEAD.No one has power over anyone.. and you can't go around putting up walls and trying to punish people... because you 'imagine' that they have power over you & you don't like it. If you don't like it - then tell your imagination to 'shut up'. Your emotional and bodily feelings and instincts are your own. Your feelings are not another person's fault.
That other person didn't *make you* have those feelings towards them. They simply *exist* .. and you are reacting to their existence. So why is it necessary that you have an almost aggressive attitude towards the person in question? IP: Logged |
arcturiann
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posted February 02, 2014 09:08 PM
Because rejection hurts and sometimes people try to keep others at a distance, especially if they like them because the fear of possibly being rejected by someone they like doesn't seem worth the risk. There's also a sense of hurt pride that makes the rejection even worse when it appears as if you really want them. Also, some people will take advantage of you if they know that you are infatuated with them. quote:
Also, how does being aggressive towards this person or teasing them - prevent them from having power over you?
I think this works in sort of a "I reject you before you can reject me" or "I didn't like you all that much anyways" sort of way. It makes one feel less vulnerable as well, though I wont say it always works, especially when the other person figures out what is going on. Not all of us can be emotionally detached when it comes to sexual feelings they affect us intensely and personally whereas with others it is more like a fun sort of game I guess, different strokes for different folks IP: Logged |
arcturiann
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posted February 02, 2014 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
So why is it necessary that you have an almost aggressive attitude towards the person in question?
It could also have to do with how someone was raised. I was raised with boys that were aggressive and so that is how I learned to deal with boys in general. Sometimes being aggressive/teasing is not necessarily done in a hurtful way but more in a "hey look at me" or sort of poking the individual to see how they react and usually out of fun rather than malice imo. Perhaps arian mars folks also find this sexually attractive as well (competitiveness, aggression) and thus will act that way in order to attract their object of affection.
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Odette
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posted February 02, 2014 09:15 PM
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think this works in sort of a "I reject you before you can reject me" or "I didn't like you all that much anyways" sort of way. It makes one feel less vulnerable as well, though I wont say it always works, especially when the other person figures out what is going on.
They almost always do figure it out. Or at least I always do. This is why I have decided to have a conversation with them as soon as I see them trying. I have a question for you as well. If the person in question - put a stop to your behaviour.. by saying "can we talk alone for a second?" - or something along those lines... and then explained to you that they understand how you feel *but* there is no need to behave this way, and basically opened the lines for communication regarding your behaviour... would this be helpful? Or would you just get embarrassed? IP: Logged |
arcturiann
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posted February 02, 2014 09:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
They almost always do figure it out.Or at least I always do. This is why I have decided to have a conversation with them as soon as I see them trying. I have a question for you as well. If the person in question - put a stop to your behaviour.. by saying "can we talk alone for a second?" - or something along those lines... and then explained to you that they understand how you feel *but* there is no need to behave this way, and basically opened the lines for communication regarding your behaviour... would this be helpful? Or would you just get embarrassed?
This would most definitely be helpful LOL, at least in my case. Oftentimes I act that way to protect my own feelings and usually because I don't want to audibly tell someone I like them due to fear of rejection. I usually want them to figure out that I have feelings for them. I guess the way they would go about doing that would also affect whether or not I feel embarrassed, if I feel like I have been caught red handed and are being reprimanded like a child or having an "intervention" of sorts I might get upset, but if they did so in a reassuring manner I would be so relieved. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 02, 2014 09:33 PM
I would do it in a reassuring manner...
My earlier post was bit*chy .. sorry lolBut I was planning on doing this in a nice way... if/when it happens next. quote:
This would most definitely be helpful LOL, at least in my case. Oftentimes I act that way to protect my own feelings
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Jessica2407
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posted February 03, 2014 12:08 AM
Mars/Saturn or Mars/Pluto in strained aspects are difficult aspects that grow on you.Because they are 'mean' aspects.I don't think the person WANTS to be mean although they can be the meanest people you've met,it's just their way to protect themselves. This thing about power,the fact that the person views the other person ( the one they fancy) as 'having power over them' is a very mars-saturn thing. That's why I still do not understand why Mars is exalted in Saturn's house.. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted February 03, 2014 12:37 AM
lol Honestly we were all kinda teasing because we were sick of being flirted with it.
I was the most sarcastic though because of Mars-saturn. Is this really an insult?...
We were talking about beards and my friend was like one time he tried to shave with water only and cut all these cuts.
I was like awwwww do you have facial and I'm looking for some and he was why are trying to come at me LOL...
damn okay even though we just complimented you earlier on your other "manly" features.
People that are so sensitive
Apparently my friend was he just had break up or something like that idk.
Soooo yeah I guess i feel a little bad, and I excuse his sensitive behavior now. Actually at the end of the night I was I'm not coming at you, I was just teasing you cause I think you're really adorable.
I gave him hug and moved on because I was sober and not caring about the whole situation. Im still an air sign so it takes me like a couple hours to get over things...
I just feel kinda of embarrassed being that hung up over someone really stupid ehhhh venus in gemini does not like that... It's not a good idea to even start things with me if your not going to follow back.
I have mars singleton and pluto singleton aspecting each other too.
When I want something to happen it better happen or I'm going to get really salty otherwise.
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aquaguy91
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posted February 03, 2014 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
I have some questions... This is something I genuinely cannot wrap my head around in Mars/Saturn and also Mars/Pluto people.
I've seen Hera say similar things. How does someone have power over you simply because you think they are attractive and you are h*rny?
I could, theoretically speaking.. feel h*rny all day long and I still wouldn't feel like anyone has any power over me. Also, how does being aggressive towards this person or teasing them - prevent them from having power over you? Because 'teasing' in this context - just seems like you desperately trying to put up a wall - because you are so scared of being under their control.. instead of simply taking a deep breath and realising that 'sexual attraction' does not make you weak.
It's just a feeling.
This is one of the fundamental differences between the genders. As a general rule women have the upper hand in sexual matters. Basically sex happening completely depends on the woman and her mood. Sex is almost always readily available to women if they want it, this is doubly true for attractive women. Therefore it doesn't really bring up feelings of desperation because it's always available to them if they want it. On the other hand men are horny 24/7 and sex is usually harder to come by for us, so being horny can definitely bring up feelings of powerlessness and desperation. I'm just going to be brutally honest , as a man it's hard not to resent women when you go out on the town and see so many attractive women you would like to have sex with dressed in sexy clothing to tease you and you know you have zero chance. Btw I have mars trine Saturn , moon opposite Pluto , Venus square mars, and Venus square Pluto.
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Jessica2407
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posted February 03, 2014 12:56 AM
@ KSomeone you once loved and trusted took advantage of you. Someone to whom you gave your trust,probably would have given your heart on a plate. Honestly, am telling you what went through my mind. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted February 03, 2014 01:09 AM
@AG That's exactly one of the many reasons why you're the only person who feels that way and completely confirms that you're a sexist!  Oh and by the way I've been the horniest in every single relationship and more so than any WOMAN or man!! IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 03, 2014 01:49 AM
AG - arcturiann is female (I think).. and Hera is also female..
I know Hera has a Mars/Saturn aspect - I can't remember which aspect.. and I'm pretty sure she also has Aries Mars.
Some of the things Kero said here could almost come from Hera.. because she has said such similar things.
I really don't think the feeling of 'loss of control' is gender-related. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted February 03, 2014 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
@AG That's exactly one of the many reasons why you're the only person who feels that way and completely confirms that you're a sexist! Oh and by the way I've been the horniest in every single relationship and more so than any [b]WOMAN or man [/B]
Not hardly. I just live in reality and not in a politically correct Disney world. Of course there are exceptions to the rules, but they are just that exceptions. The fact is men generally have a far greater sex drive and more men are competing for sex and attention from women, those are the facts. Therefore women generally have more sexual options and don't have nearly as hard of time getting sex. Of course some women (like yourself) have a sex drive that rivals or even surpasses mens but they are the exception.
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Odette
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posted February 03, 2014 02:13 AM
But why would women care about having all these options if they are socially looked down upon for taking up the options... and refered to as "sl*ts" ? - As you mentioned yourself in Sweetpeas.That's almost like saying to a person who is allergic to chocolate that they have access to all the chocolate in the world - for free.. lmao IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted February 03, 2014 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
But why would women care about having all these options if they are socially looked down upon for taking up the options... and refered to as "sl*ts" ? - As you mentioned yourself in Sweetpeas.That's almost like saying to a person who is allergic to chocolate that they have access to all the chocolate in the world - for free.. lmao
But the thing is nobody is shaming women for having sex, it's all in your mind. It's the opposite. Saying anything critical of women is the unpardonable sin in western society.
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Odette
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posted February 03, 2014 02:23 AM
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nobody is shaming women
Actually Padre is.
He said explicitly that he believes having casual sex lessens a woman's value. Do you think he is alone? quote:
Saying anything critical of women is the unpardonable sin in western society.
But I remember a post by you - where you said that you agree that women are socially shamed for promiscuous behaviour ... but that you think the shaming is done by "other" women.
You said that the practical reason for this would be to prevent unwanted pregnancies and stds. So if you do agree that shaming does occur -- who inflicts the shaming is irrelevant for the purposes of the point I am making.
The fact that shaming exists makes it very unlikely that the average woman will take up all of her (or even most of her) sexual options. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted February 03, 2014 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Actually Padre is.
He said explicitly that he believes having casual sex lessens a woman's value. Do you think he is alone?
Well that's a natural reaction most men have . But it's politically incorrect for us to express it. IP: Logged |
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