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Topic: Virgos loving people only for their minds
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Kerosene unregistered
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posted February 15, 2014 10:03 PM
Pfffft ideally but the two virgo friends I know are all about looks, fashion etcMy one virgo friend goes on about how everyone else is uglier than her and everything they say is irrelevant. It's funny too because I can tell she says that out of extreme insecurity. I was telling her about this situation and her response was like He's probably not cute enough anyways.. Im like okaayyy thanks?.. Yeah I never got the idea that intelligence is THAT important, maybe humor but most girls find that attractive anyways. I think fashion and looks are number 1 for her. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 15, 2014 10:38 PM
For me it's more about personality, the way think and act than looks. I just have a height preference. Some people irritate me because they think they are so hot, arrogant, basically. It's a turn off, that darned Saturn square, probably. And I like people that are my height or a little taller because hovering causes me to feel anxious. Hygiene is a must, clean teeth and everything. No B.O. because I smell those sorts of odors a hundred times stronger than most people although I like perfumes and colognes. I've heard people complain about too much perfume but I can't get enough of certain ones that I like. They can completely soak in them and I wouldn't complain. I also don't like really overweight but somewhat pudgy doesn't bother me. Mostly the people I've complained about in my posts have been more for their arrogance or annoying ways of acting, their shtick more than their appearance although I may pick on that if their shtick annoys me too much. I've wondered just how superficial some Virgo suns are. I know I am not too superficial. I consider good looks and nothing else to be totally boring. I want depth, dammit. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3530 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted February 15, 2014 11:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I've wondered just how superficial some Virgo suns are. I know I am not too superficial. I consider good looks and nothing else to be totally boring. I want depth, dammit.
Do I seem like a superficial Virgo Sun? IP: Logged |
Jo B Knowflake Posts: 536 From: London, UK Registered: Feb 2014
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posted February 15, 2014 11:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: I've wondered just how superficial some Virgo suns are. I know I am not too superficial. I consider good looks and nothing else to be totally boring. I want depth, dammit.
I wouldn't say Virgo is inherently a "superficial" sign, I think it can just be a bit fussy or particular about certain things. And sometimes the little things that irritate you about someone or something can later become a bit dominating, depending on aspects with other planets really. I've overlooked a partner being a bit "overweight" for example but when they're clearly not taking care of themselves, eating crap, sit around all day or just are a bit lax about personal hygiene then I don't really want to take that on! But then would many people, regardless of Sun sign?  IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 16, 2014 01:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect: Do I seem like a superficial Virgo Sun?
I can't really tell online. If you tend to like people only for certain things and it overshadows everything else, like if they look a certain way, have a really bad character, and you like them anyway, I'd say yes. If you insist on there being a lot of depth to them and are reliant on more than just surface, I'd say no.
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StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 16, 2014 01:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jo B: I wouldn't say Virgo is inherently a "superficial" sign, I think it can just be a bit fussy or particular about certain things. And sometimes the little things that irritate you about someone or something can later become a bit dominating, depending on aspects with other planets really. I've overlooked a partner being a bit "overweight" for example but when they're clearly not taking care of themselves, eating crap, sit around all day or just are a bit lax about personal hygiene then I don't really want to take that on! But then would many people, regardless of Sun sign? 
Bad hygiene seems to be an envelop pusher for Virgo suns. Maybe how superficial we are about other matters shows up in what houses everything's in?IP: Logged |
Renewer Newflake Posts: 24 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted February 18, 2014 04:31 PM
As a Virgo, I would like to toss a couple of thought on the fire. I think that the mind of a person is reflected in their body by such things as hygiene and personality. I also think that the mind sees the body of another as an image of how that mind perceives the mind of the other. In other words, non-Virgos may not see the same body as seen in the perception of a Virgo. Of course, as we can see, not all Virgos see the same either, I merely use that as a contrast. I also think that where some will intellectualize these things and so are aware of how they respond, that others who do not think about it still adhere to the same principles. Thus, what is attractive to all is their mental image of what the person to whom they are attracted to is. I find in my own case that I can love the mind of someone without it being a romantic or physical love, but I cannot be in romantic love with someone I do not admire intellectually, but what really bothers me about myself, because it isn't right or what I believe, but I can want someone sexually with no mental provocation at all, just simple desire. That irks me about myself. I am glad it almost never happens, and regret that I cannot explain it nor justify it nor relate it to anything in this thread nor in observations of others and their behavior, so I am ashamed to admit it, so scratch that anyway. But what I am saying, is I believe that all people fall in love with the minds of others whether they are conscious of it or not. Virgos just normally have good taste, are particular in their discriminations, and mentally aware of it. Mostly. lol. Blush.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 18, 2014 04:32 PM
Thanks for your input, Renewer  IP: Logged |
Renewer Newflake Posts: 24 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted February 18, 2014 04:48 PM
You are welcome, Supreme. I hope you can actually garner something beneficial out of it. I would like to add one thing, though, and it is only what I have seen. That is that shorter people seem to be more aggressive than tall ones to me. I used to think that it was a natural inclination for one shorter to feel threatened by the taller and thus their response, and visa-versa for the taller one, being gentle, even protective to the shorter one. Now I am not so sure. Maybe it is my perspective, from being six one.IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 1619 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 18, 2014 05:00 PM
Well if you are a water dominant virgo like me with pisces moon and scorpio venus and cancer jupiter, you pretty much love people for their sexual parts, and then the emotional parts, and THEN the mental part!  But mostly I like men because of how they look and how good a kisser they are, then if they appeal to my emotions it's a plus and if they are intelligent it's a double plus, and I'm gonna work for that relationship like never before and really commit to that person! If they are unintelligent I can not live with that forever, and if they are ugly, I will hardly ever notice them as relationship potential (sorry) IP: Logged |
Jo B Knowflake Posts: 536 From: London, UK Registered: Feb 2014
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posted February 18, 2014 05:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Renewer: but what really bothers me about myself, because it isn't right or what I believe, but I can want someone sexually with no mental provocation at all, just simple desire. That irks me about myself.
Why should it irk you, that's why the word "lust" was invented. lol I remember REALLY fancying a guy when I was 15 and he was about 17, I'd never even spoken to him, he just looked completely my type. But then I soon discovered he had the IQ of a newt and was just sort of... slow. PASSION KILLER! I couldn't even lust after him anymore it was that bad. lol Conversely I couldn't lust after someone who was physically just not attractive to me, no matter how witty, intelligent, etc he was. I guess that makes me shallow huh? lol. Or - lightbulb moment - it's because I'm a fussy Virgo!  IP: Logged |
Renewer Newflake Posts: 24 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted February 19, 2014 11:28 AM
It is all good, the way I see it. I value thinking about these things. Sorry I am so slow getting here today. I was looking forward to it, and a lot had to do with this thread. I hadn't had my chart done, hadn't seen it for a long time, and I had it done last night, and someone dropped some sort of bug in my mailbox on my pc, so again I am coming up a little short on my chart. It is weird. My sun(of course) in Virgo, my Venus in Virgo, my Mercury in Virgo, my moon opposed to the sun and in Pisces at mid-heaven, and a lot of planets on the cusps of the houses and I don't exactly remember, but Cancer on the cusp of (what would it be for rising?)the second house? I have some strange sextiles and squares, too, involving Neptune and Saturn, the planets in Virgo conjunct in, is it the third house that is native? I don't remember. And, of course, opposed to the moon. gotta go back and get it even though that guy told me my birth city didn't exist! lol IP: Logged |
Renewer Newflake Posts: 24 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted February 19, 2014 12:45 PM
What I notice here today, and like I said, I value these comments, is that a lot of the things said say what I was attempting to say, cuz its like, if you aren't attracted to a body type, is it how you see them because of their mind? Or yours? Or when you are initially drawn, you get to know them but don't like some aspect of them, don't they become ugly? I say that in a world of individuals, there can be no such thing as normal, so celebrate, don't castigate the differences. Now what does that have to do with what we are talking about? I think it may help to keep an open mind. You may see things in someone you never saw before. As for myself, I am passionate in the extreme, but it is hidden below the surface, and I develop a relationship slowly. Once connected, though, watch out! It wont stop or go away. When I said I could love someone without it being sexual at all, it is a different kind of love, totally based on principles, admiration of fulfilled ideals in a personality but with no thought at all about sex. Romantic love to me must retain fulfilment of the same ideals, but It includes, it MUST include the physical, and thus if it is not reciprocal, it is not. I believe it is right and proper for and man and woman to have sex. It is the ultimate expression of love, of romantic love. That is where I express my ardent passions. It is also why I am ashamed of any lust I have devoid of my values. It is like a loss of my integrity, I am not being true to myself. Still, you may, we may, train our minds to look at others the way we think is best, yet be suddenly smitten by someone who doesn't fit our pattern of discretionary rules. That's the chemistry of it over which we have no real control. But does that result from a fulfilment of an ideal that we are not aware of? Does the other person have the same lust? I think the answer there is in whether anything else ever results from that relationship besides sex. If that's it, then I think it is animal, not human. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 19, 2014 01:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by Renewer: You are welcome, Supreme. I hope you can actually garner something beneficial out of it. I would like to add one thing, though, and it is only what I have seen. That is that shorter people seem to be more aggressive than tall ones to me. I used to think that it was a natural inclination for one shorter to feel threatened by the taller and thus their response, and visa-versa for the taller one, being gentle, even protective to the shorter one. Now I am not so sure. Maybe it is my perspective, from being six one.
It seems taller men are more popular, which means there's more social competition for their attention. Women see a shorter guy then they think "nah" and go after the taller ones! This is why I believe shorter ones are overlooked prizes. Women are missing out on some really great guys when they judge them on height. Of course, if I were a tall woman, I wouldn't want to date a guy who is only 5'5, if I were something like 5'9. Even shorter women, those 5'5 and under, will often not go for a man closer to their height. Instead they find one that's around 6 foot and won't consider one around 5'5. There's something really nice and comforting about being with someone you can pretty much look in the eyes easily while standing without having to look upward. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze Knowflake Posts: 1735 From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19 Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 19, 2014 01:09 PM
Now, I have 3 important Virgo placements, but more importantly, my long time Virgo best friend. To him, everything is important. I would probably say he's equally critical of looks as he is personality. However, he doesn't let it stop him from trying. Personality if anything will stop him from trying to have a relationship. Looks, he can overlook a bit more but will still be critical. Looks are also very important to him. (He HATES short hair for example - won't even bother. LOL) He doesn't tell them anything and shows them lots of affection and caring. Being his best friend, I hear the criticizing in a way that he's seeking my opinion also. The main thing is, he just likes someone who is mature. That's the most important thing to him. Maturity, responsibility, and common sense. If they are not so much book smart, it wouldn't bother him just so long as they "have their s**t together." LOL IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 19, 2014 01:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: Now, I have 3 important Virgo placements, but more importantly, my long time Virgo best friend. To him, everything is important. I would probably say he's equally critical of looks as he is personality. However, he doesn't let it stop him from trying. Personality if anything will stop him from trying to have a relationship. Looks, he can overlook a bit more but will still be critical. Looks are also very important to him. (He HATES short hair for example - won't even bother. LOL) He doesn't tell them anything and shows them lots of affection and caring. Being his best friend, I hear the criticizing in a way that he's seeking my opinion also. The main thing is, he just likes someone who is mature. That's the most important thing to him. Maturity, responsibility, and common sense. If they are not so much book smart, it wouldn't bother him just so long as they "have their s**t together." LOL
What I meant by the topic is, let's say you talk to someone and you like the way they think for some reason. Maybe they are a genius, who knows? Something outstanding that you like. Maybe they just know a lot about something that you have a keen interest in so you can talk about your favorite thing with them and they know a lot so you can learn. They are like a mentor in this respect. Although you might like this about them, you aren't attracted to anything else. They could be married, or the same sex, if you aren't gay, or not reciprocated, physically unappealing, unhygienic, loads of B.O., bald, spare tire belly, sagging behind, the list goes on and on, but you still like the way they think and you are drawn to that all by itself and love them for it. For me, them being a social misfit is a huge benefit so long as they are clean and brush their teeth. I cannot deal with bad dental hygiene especially because this is often the source of some intense B.O. and it causes me to become nauseated. And shorter height. These are qualities most women shun. I can also love them just for the way they think and not really want to be with them physically. It's not that intensely loyal kind of love when it's just that.IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze Knowflake Posts: 1735 From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19 Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 19, 2014 01:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze: [b]Now, I have 3 important Virgo placements, but more importantly, my long time Virgo best friend. To him, everything is important. I would probably say he's equally critical of looks as he is personality. However, he doesn't let it stop him from trying. Personality if anything will stop him from trying to have a relationship. Looks, he can overlook a bit more but will still be critical. Looks are also very important to him. (He HATES short hair for example - won't even bother. LOL) He doesn't tell them anything and shows them lots of affection and caring. Being his best friend, I hear the criticizing in a way that he's seeking my opinion also. The main thing is, he just likes someone who is mature. That's the most important thing to him. Maturity, responsibility, and common sense. If they are not so much book smart, it wouldn't bother him just so long as they "have their s**t together." LOL
What I meant by the topic is, let's say you talk to someone and you like the way they think for some reason. Maybe they are a genius, who knows? Something outstanding that you like. Maybe they just know a lot about something that you have a keen interest in so you can talk about your favorite thing with them and they know a lot so you can learn. They are like a mentor in this respect. Although you might like this about them, you aren't attracted to anything else. They could be married, or the same sex, if you aren't gay, or not reciprocated, physically unappealing, unhygienic, loads of B.O., bald, spare tire belly, sagging behind, the list goes on and on, but you still the way they think and you are drawn to that all by itself and love them for it.[/B][/QUOTE]I could see that in him for sure. He puts a lot of weight on that! I don't, so I never really understood it. LOL
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StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 19, 2014 01:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: I could see that in him for sure. He puts a lot of weight on that! I don't, so I never really understood it. LOL
So as a Leo sun you don't really care what goes on inside their minds?
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summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted February 19, 2014 01:33 PM
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DeepFreeze Knowflake Posts: 1735 From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19 Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 19, 2014 01:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze: [b] I could see that in him for sure. He puts a lot of weight on that! I don't, so I never really understood it. LOL
So as a Leo sun you don't really care what goes on inside their minds? [/B][/QUOTE]I do but it's different. This is where I struggle to communicate btw, but I'll try. LOL For example, he's EXTREMELY into video games. He wants someone who is equally as passionate, which I don't disagree with. That kind of thing is important. However, if they have another passion that he doesn't share with them, he's not very flexible. He pretty much doesn't want to have his life change at all. As much as he plays video games, it's going to be an extremely tall order. He wants someone who will pretty much just "plug into" his current life. Where as for me. There's no single thing. I think the most important thing for me is to be understood. Even if there is not a meeting of the minds, at least we can understand each other, "get" each other. Laughter, sharing, loyalty, faithfulness, honesty, and understanding. An understanding on that 12th house kind of level. Which is why it works so well with me and him (and Barbiegirl19). Him and I are really very different, yet, on the deepest levels we share a psychic kind of connection. I don't play video games at ALL, yet we are very much like brothers. I listen and show interest when he talks to me about it because I love him. To me those are the same kinds of things that are important to my relationship. To him, it seems to be more surface things like video games. I'm not saying it's wrong. Whatever makes a person happy and whatever is important to them. If that's what would make him happy then I support and encourage him to seek it out. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 19, 2014 01:42 PM
I'm thinking maybe it isn't a Virgo thing. Instead it's an afflicted Neptune thing. Or maybe afflicted Mars in Sagittarius? Or maybe both? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 19, 2014 01:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: I do but it's different. This is where I struggle to communicate btw, but I'll try. LOL For example, he's EXTREMELY into video games. He wants someone who is equally as passionate, which I don't disagree with. That kind of thing is important. However, if they have another passion that he doesn't share with them, he's not very flexible. He pretty much doesn't want to have his life change at all. As much as he plays video games, it's going to be an extremely tall order. He wants someone who will pretty much just "plug into" his current life. Where as for me. There's no single thing. I think the most important thing for me is to be understood. Even if there is not a meeting of the minds, at least we can understand each other, "get" each other. Laughter, sharing, loyalty, faithfulness, honesty, and understanding. An understanding on that 12th house kind of level. Which is why it works so well with me and him (and Barbiegirl19). Him and I are really very different, yet, on the deepest levels we share a psychic kind of connection. I don't play video games at ALL, yet we are very much like brothers. I listen and show interest when he talks to me about it because I love him. To me those are the same kinds of things that are important to my relationship. To him, it seems to be more surface things like video games. I'm not saying it's wrong. Whatever makes a person happy and whatever is important to them. If that's what would make him happy then I support and encourage him to seek it out.
Maybe your friend experiences what I am talking about with you since you are a friend only he seems to just like you for your mind.
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DeepFreeze Knowflake Posts: 1735 From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19 Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 19, 2014 01:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: I'm thinking maybe it isn't a Virgo thing. Instead it's an afflicted Neptune thing. Or maybe afflicted Mars in Sagittarius? Or maybe both?
Well if it helps you understand (you know Astrology MUCH better than i do.) He has Leo Venus, Sextile Pluto, Trine Neptune, Square Uranus. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8588 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 19, 2014 01:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: Well if it helps you understand (you know Astrology MUCH better than i do.) He has Leo Venus, Sextile Pluto, Trine Neptune, Square Uranus.
Now I am thinking it might sound like an insult to someone, loving them just for their mind, but I don't mean it that way. To me it's the most beautiful kind of love in existence because it's so idealized. Your friend's Venus is somewhat similar to mine except I have a sextile to Uranus and nothing with Pluto except progressed Venus is conjunct progressed Pluto (which hasn't really progressed very far from natal Pluto.) I also have a lot of Jupiter going on so maybe the Virgo sun is getting overshadowed? IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted February 19, 2014 01:52 PM
It's actually a Virgo thing.Alyssa Sharpe explained in one of her videos. Virgos can like you very much but if you have one small thing that doesn't fit his "ideal" (which is usually shallow), he cannot "love" you.
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